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Post by Nikola on Jul 13, 2010 2:33:42 GMT -5
macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/16048/2/Poll: Macedonians choose Name over EU & NATOMonday, 12 July 2010 Preserving the name is more important than Macedonia's EU, NATO membership, according to the results of a poll, conducted by the Institute for Political Research on July 3-4 that upon a request by the Secretariat for European Affairs. A total of 66,5 percent of 1,110 respondents chose the name against 26,2% who favored Macedonia's EU, NATO membership. However, the results are rather different in regard to the respondents' ethnic origin. For 82,1 percent of Macedonia the name is more important that the accession to the EU and NATO, while 77,8 of ethnic Albanians favor the country's integration with the European, Euro-Atlantic institutions. In order to bring the country closer to EU, priority should be given to the economy, say 46,1 percent. A total of 22,3 of respondents considered that special attention should be paid to the judiciary and 15, 1 percent -- to the security. Both Macedonians and Albanians believe that the country's economic development is top priority. A total of 65,5 percent said they considered to be citizens of Macedonia, 28,5 - of both Macedonia and Europe, while 3,4 percent - of Europe.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 13, 2010 2:38:21 GMT -5
^^^ Yugoslavia III is inevitable.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 13, 2010 2:51:00 GMT -5
Well then stay out of the EU. Very easy.^^ The EU has space for one Macedonia only and this one is already taken since 1981.
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Post by Nikola on Jul 13, 2010 3:13:11 GMT -5
Well then stay out of the EU. Very easy.^^ The EU has space for one Macedonia only and this one is already taken since 1981. I think they should stay out of the EU too. The country is developing and can do well without being a part of that club. They won't have to pay for Greek debt that way either.
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Post by Nikola on Jul 13, 2010 3:20:02 GMT -5
^^^ Yugoslavia III is inevitable. Might not be a bad idea in some form or another. Balkan countries should just forget about the EU and start some kind of relationship with one another. Maybe not another Yugoslavia but something.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 13, 2010 3:35:54 GMT -5
^^^ Yugoslavia III is inevitable. Might not be a bad idea in some form or another. Balkan countries should just forget about the EU and start some kind of relationship with one another. Maybe not another Yugoslavia but something. two of the balkan nations (Albs/Greeks) are so brainwashed by the western machine of creating delusional supposed (unsubstantiated) superiority, (merely by loans, cheap money, direct funding, and controlling the media) that i see such a cooperation infeasible. Thats why i am talking about the slavic nations only. ex-YU + (some) bulgaria. There is no way slavs can communicate with albs or certain greeks.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 13, 2010 3:49:42 GMT -5
Well then stay out of the EU. Very easy.^^ The EU has space for one Macedonia only and this one is already taken since 1981. I think they should stay out of the EU too. The country is developing and can do well without being a part of that club. They won't have to pay for Greek debt that way either. good joke. Skopja would be the poorest country of the EU....dont pretend that you would even have to pay within this club. As if anyone needs Skopje...what an overestimation of one's own capabilities...^^
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 13, 2010 4:08:40 GMT -5
I just wish the kind Slavic nations of yugoslavia to keep giving us wheat, corn, plum, pork, seeds and agricultural machinery, tractors, etc... in exchange for tomatos, olive oil, vegetables, oranges, lemons, etc... when the west abandons us, and we will be forcing to feed our own selves. Also we will need extensive lessons in agriculture by your scientists, since i am not so sure we can make it in extreme situations. Also please, study our local flora and fauna, because for certain species (like the Greek shepherd dog, and the black sheep of Pindos) our scientists did not learn about it in their schools because their french-english-german-educated professors never heard of them... Please study them, and help us, love this country like you did when you came to Greece in 600 AD. (and stayed for 800 years). You loved this place with all your heart then. Please try to love a little bit and its (modern) inhabitants. Please my yugoslav friends, keep in mind that some children in Greece might need your help, in the (not so) distant future. A TRUE GREEK
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Post by Nikola on Jul 13, 2010 8:10:00 GMT -5
good joke. Skopja would be the poorest country of the EU....dont pretend that you would even have to pay within this club. As if anyone needs Skopje...what an overestimation of one's own capabilities...^^ If there's one thing I can't stand it's arrogance. Yes, Greece is doing better than "Skopja" at the moment but you know, Macedonia is developing while Greece is going backwards, and eventually the two will meet. And who knows, their positions may even reverse. And I can't wait till that happens. Maybe it will shut people like you up. Then again, it probably won't.
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Post by ioan on Jul 13, 2010 8:28:16 GMT -5
Thats why i am talking about the slavic nations only. ex-YU + (some) bulgaria. what does some bulgaria mean? anyways, bulgaria will probably not join, because we are in the eu...
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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 13, 2010 8:52:05 GMT -5
good joke. Skopja would be the poorest country of the EU....dont pretend that you would even have to pay within this club. As if anyone needs Skopje...what an overestimation of one's own capabilities...^^ If there's one thing I can't stand it's arrogance. Yes, Greece is doing better than "Skopja" at the moment but you know, Macedonia is developing while Greece is going backwards, and eventually the two will meet. And who knows, their positions may even reverse. And I can't wait till that happens. Maybe it will shut people like you up. Then again, it probably won't. Im not arrogant, Im realistic. And you are dreaming....Greece will always stand above its neighbours. Especially above Albania and Skopje...these two countries are in need of Greece. You are totally clueless if you think your country will reach Greece one day...wtf..you are living 50 years back...I have crossed this country several times...Greece was like that when my grandmother was a child...its a country without any potential. Tell me what you have...what makes you sth special...there is nothing. Only as a part of Yugoslavia you had some kind of future...but now? The only purpose of your countrys existence are American interests. In any case...Greece and Skopja are like Germany and Poland...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 13, 2010 9:23:45 GMT -5
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Post by macmako on Jul 14, 2010 5:30:23 GMT -5
Well then stay out of the EU. Very easy.^^ The EU has space for one Macedonia only and this one is already taken since 1981. I think they should stay out of the EU too. The country is developing and can do well without being a part of that club. They won't have to pay for Greek debt that way either. Nicely put. It is also obvious that some are quite confused, STILL!!! There are no other country in the EU named "Macedonia". Where does this idiot get his info? Macedonians do not need the EU. It would cost them too much.
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Post by Nikola on Jul 14, 2010 5:38:25 GMT -5
Im not arrogant, Im realistic. And you are dreaming....Greece will always stand above its neighbours. Especially above Albania and Skopje...these two countries are in need of Greece. You are totally clueless if you think your country will reach Greece one day...wtf..you are living 50 years back...I have crossed this country several times...Greece was like that when my grandmother was a child...its a country without any potential. Tell me what you have...what makes you sth special...there is nothing. Only as a part of Yugoslavia you had some kind of future...but now? The only purpose of your countrys existence are American interests. In any case...Greece and Skopja are like Germany and Poland... Greece is nothing like Germany. I know you're using Germany as an example to describe a big difference but please don't, it's so laughable that it's embarrassing. Germany is the powerhouse of Europe, producing great wealth due to hard work and discipline. Greece on the other hand is the exact opposite; bankrupt & living beyond it's means on western European loans. And you're not realistic, you're just short sighted. I agreed that Greece is in the better position than Macedonia at the moment but, I can see that changing eventually. Macedonia doesn't need Greece either. Yes, there is a lot of Greek investment but don't think there aren't other countries willing to take over from that role if Greek investment disappears. Either way, enjoy your feeling of superiority while it lasts, because it won't be forever.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 14, 2010 15:27:38 GMT -5
you are ridiculous.
Ps: I was rather laughable for comparing Skopja to Poland...I should have better said Uganda or Taganika...
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Post by logjiktek on Jul 14, 2010 15:35:05 GMT -5
While FYROM is improving it's not really comparable to Greece nor will it ever be on it's level economically. Greece has a natural advantage and it's islands are a tourist hotspot for Westerners and everyone around the world. Not to mention the fact that FYROM is landlocked, has ethnic issues and is nowhere near joining the EU. FYROM is probably a good 20 years behind Greece. Hell, FYROM is probably worst off than Albania (both countries are similar though.)
Greece will remain a power in the Balkans. To think that FYROM will be on the same level as Greece is a bit naive. This isn't a knock on FYROM per se, but you can't really compare it to Greece.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 14, 2010 17:05:31 GMT -5
Very right with everything you said.
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Post by Nikola on Jul 14, 2010 17:38:25 GMT -5
While FYROM is improving it's not really comparable to Greece nor will it ever be on it's level economically. Greece has a natural advantage and it's islands are a tourist hotspot for Westerners and everyone around the world. Not to mention the fact that FYROM is landlocked, has ethnic issues and is nowhere near joining the EU. FYROM is probably a good 20 years behind Greece. Hell, FYROM is probably worst off than Albania (both countries are similar though.) Greece will remain a power in the Balkans. To think that FYROM will be on the same level as Greece is a bit naive. This isn't a knock on FYROM per se, but you can't really compare it to Greece. I'm talking about quality of life, not other factors. I agree, Greece does have a natural advantage and a much larger population, which means they will always get more tourists and have greater influence in the Balkans. Which Macedonia and Albania can't match of course. But, with an advancing economy and more employment, both Macedonia and Albania can match and surpass Greece in terms of quality of life. Slovenia is a perfect example of a small country with a good economy that is equal to Greece. There is no reason why Macedonia can't model themselves after the Slovenians and do just as well. Anyway, that's just my opinion. If you don't agree with that, that's fine. Only time will prove either of us wrong.
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Post by logjiktek on Jul 14, 2010 18:42:16 GMT -5
While FYROM is improving it's not really comparable to Greece nor will it ever be on it's level economically. Greece has a natural advantage and it's islands are a tourist hotspot for Westerners and everyone around the world. Not to mention the fact that FYROM is landlocked, has ethnic issues and is nowhere near joining the EU. FYROM is probably a good 20 years behind Greece. Hell, FYROM is probably worst off than Albania (both countries are similar though.) Greece will remain a power in the Balkans. To think that FYROM will be on the same level as Greece is a bit naive. This isn't a knock on FYROM per se, but you can't really compare it to Greece. I'm talking about quality of life, not other factors. I agree, Greece does have a natural advantage and a much larger population, which means they will always get more tourists and have greater influence in the Balkans. Which Macedonia and Albania can't match of course. But, with an advancing economy and more employment, both Macedonia and Albania can match and surpass Greece in terms of quality of life. Slovenia is a perfect example of a small country with a good economy that is equal to Greece. There is no reason why Macedonia can't model themselves after the Slovenians and do just as well. Anyway, that's just my opinion. If you don't agree with that, that's fine. Only time will prove either of us wrong. Slovenia borders Italy and Austria, they have a comparative advantage in their location. FYROM borders the Balkans lol. But I hope you're right. I hope things do improve like you say.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 15, 2010 2:40:20 GMT -5
Nikola when the air mail was arriving weekly in Skopje airport some time back in 1915, by aircrafts made in Yugoslavia, at the same time, certain mountain villagers in Greece (like the ancestors of this Kastor joke) were beginning intense lessons to learn the greek language!!!! Of course they had nothing to do with either ancient civilizations or .... modern civilizations (like airplanes)...
its the truth, and the more some ppl oversee it, the longer they will scratch their fat heads about .... almost anything...
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