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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 16, 2010 8:02:13 GMT -5
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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 16, 2010 8:05:07 GMT -5
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 16, 2010 9:20:41 GMT -5
Artsa (Artses) must be a real puzzle. Zermi sounds slavic 99.99%, i'l look it up onthe dictionary when i get home.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 16, 2010 9:58:18 GMT -5
According to a villager Zermi is a configuration of Zeus and Ermis. The Metaxas regime did just not know that and thought its a nongreek name and thus it was changed in 1927 into Vrysoula. Sounds plausible...except for Zermi means sth in slavic...
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Post by fossil on Jul 16, 2010 11:59:12 GMT -5
Ве обожавам момци
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Post by Nikola on Jul 17, 2010 2:54:06 GMT -5
I think Patrinos owes Pyrros an apology in this thread because Pyrros delivered.
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 17, 2010 3:08:25 GMT -5
Pyrros wrote: "Oh and your comment about the "greek" serres and Kozani was also funny as well. Ser (Sir) : slav name" ...Pyrros.. really now... where exactly do you get your info? Serres exists thousand of years and the ancient name of the place was "Sirris". Even Herodotous referrs to Sirris and to its Siropaeonian citizens. Titos Livious refers to the city as "Sirras". Sirras comes from the ancient Greek word "sirrios" that means "sun". What "slav name" and "before 1915" and (ser), (sir) kai (mir) are you bubbling.. ? ;D ;D
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 17, 2010 5:22:39 GMT -5
I think Patrinos owes Pyrros an apology in this thread because Pyrros delivered. That's the classic albanian "hit and run" strategy. Thats why i believe those albanians would never make it against a straight confrontation against MakedonianSlavs, in the open field. Those albanians are the cancer of Greece.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 17, 2010 5:25:34 GMT -5
According to a villager Zermi is a configuration of Zeus and Ermis. The Metaxas regime did just not know that and thought its a nongreek name and thus it was changed in 1927 into Vrysoula. Sounds plausible...except for Zermi means sth in slavic... Zermi might be the plural of "Dzeram->Dzermi" which means "Gerani pigadiou". I dont find the Zeus + Ermis plausible. I find it more heuristic than the theories of MYSIA ;D
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 17, 2010 5:30:15 GMT -5
Pyrros wrote: "Oh and your comment about the "greek" serres and Kozani was also funny as well. Ser (Sir) : slav name" ...Pyrros.. really now... where exactly do you get your info? Serres exists thousand of years and the ancient name of the place was "Sirris". Even Herodotous referrs to Sirris and to its Siropaeonian citizens. Titos Livious refers to the city as "Sirras". Sirras comes from the ancient Greek word "sirrios" that means "sun". What "slav name" and "before 1915" and (ser), (sir) kai (mir) are you bubbling.. ? ;D ;D maybe. However i have seen unbelievable theories for the rest of the cities, and so, by momentum, maybe i was driven a little bit too far. for example i have read the Servia was ..... a latin name...LOL
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 18, 2010 5:28:35 GMT -5
Pyrros wrote: "Oh and your comment about the "greek" serres and Kozani was also funny as well. Ser (Sir) : slav name" ...Pyrros.. really now... where exactly do you get your info? Serres exists thousand of years and the ancient name of the place was "Sirris". Even Herodotous referrs to Sirris and to its Siropaeonian citizens. Titos Livious refers to the city as "Sirras". Sirras comes from the ancient Greek word "sirrios" that means "sun". What "slav name" and "before 1915" and (ser), (sir) kai (mir) are you bubbling.. ? ;D ;D maybe. However i have seen unbelievable theories for the rest of the cities, and so, by momentum, maybe i was driven a little bit too far. for example i have read the Servia was ..... a latin name...LOL One is for sure. After the exchange of populations and the formation of ethnic states in Balkans things changes .Among the things that changed were also the names of places. Monastiri became Bitola, Phillipoupolis became Plodiv, Constantinople became Istanbul etc etc etc In the case of Greece, names re-changed to the INITIAL form. I dont see something bad on it. It was not a change. It was a RE-change... If ever Istanbul comes in the Greek state again and Greece re-names it Constantinoupoli again... means "Greeks try to change history"..?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 19, 2010 2:29:13 GMT -5
"In the case of Greece, names re-changed to the INITIAL form. I dont see something bad on it. It was not a change. It was a RE-change... "
BS. Apparently you dont have a clue.
Ancient Olympia, in 1000 AD was named .... SERVIANA... And after the Serbs/Slavs left/lost/got assimilated due to the transfer of Greeks from south Italy, in 1400 AD it was named by the Greeks as ANTILALOS. Those Greeks had no memories of this place. Later with the antiquity-frenzy it was renamed to Olympia.
Regarding the rest of Peloponisos, Ipiros, Makedonia, in most cases the naming was a bad translation of the slav name, in many cases it was the wrong translation because accidentally they translated the ... other village nearby.
And of course, we had many many many many cases, when the locals didn't like the new name, and so the slav name remained.
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Post by Atan on Jul 19, 2010 5:00:27 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D ;D Me too! Great fun here ;D!
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Post by Atan on Jul 19, 2010 6:28:07 GMT -5
Damn ;D! Thats awesome guys! So to make things clear - Greeks (the fake ones according to Pyrros ;D - like Castor & Co.) say the Macos are Slavs and newcomers. Pyrros comes with contra ( ;D ;D Oh man ;D) that the Slavs are very old here and actually GreekoSlavoBulgars and Maco-Slavs are arguing who is more ancient and more related to the ancient people they do not represent anymore ;D.
In the same time comrade Pyrros (this guy is awesome! ;D) says that the Slavs are great bla-bla, AND he insults his greek fellows of being Slavic ;D!! And that they are no more Greeks!!
Honestly I am lost and maybe I miss something but that's the impression I got from the posting of comrade Pyrros.
Pyrrosevic - why are the greeks so hated by you since they have high degree Slavic blood in them (the only real spartans lived somewhere in Greece in few numbers - by your words). Since Greeks have high degree f Slavic blood they should be something like Russia nowadays! The Great and greatest! And you should be in love with your people instead of hating them.
And the last but not least - Zermi sounds 99.9% non-Slavic! Artsa also. Or you might give me some sort of education in Slavic language ;D ;D to prove me wrong??
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 19, 2010 8:08:42 GMT -5
Atan, i dint read all of your BS, but the few sporadic spots here and there that i did actually read, i can say with certainty that you are 100% out of context. I really dont know where to start with your unbelievable BS, so i guess i will not start at all. The time dedicated to irregular idiots is already exceeded. (blame Bath, Username and the albanians for this. They came before you ;D sorry)
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Post by plisbardhi on Jul 19, 2010 8:12:53 GMT -5
Zermi-zjarmi (alb.)-fire (eng.). Just a thought..
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Post by Atan on Jul 19, 2010 8:28:53 GMT -5
Totally agree ;D! I don't know how others have nerves talking to a person like you.
Master Degree Computers Pyrros - I would like kindly to ask you the following - what are contemporary Greeks? Slavs, Armenians, Bulgars, Midlle Easteners, Ancient Hellenes?
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 20, 2010 12:29:24 GMT -5
Pyrros :
Although I dont know about what you talk.. I accept it as true. Now what the problem is.. You said: "..Ancient Olympia, in 1000 AD was named .... SERVIANA..."
that means before 1000 AD that city for 2-3 thousand years was called .. Olympia.
and then you said: "..Later with the antiquity-frenzy it was renamed to Olympia." so, it is an antiquity-frenzy to give the initial name to a place?
I ask you again: If Greece takes back Instabul.. it will be antiquity-frenzy to rename it Konstantinoupolis or.. it will be the fair and the more historic accurate thing to be done?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 21, 2010 3:21:00 GMT -5
Pyrros : Although I dont know about what you talk.. I accept it as true. Now what the problem is.. You said: " ..Ancient Olympia, in 1000 AD was named .... SERVIANA..." that means before 1000 AD that city for 2-3 thousand years was called .. Olympia. and then you said: ".. Later with the antiquity-frenzy it was renamed to Olympia." so, it is an antiquity-frenzy to give the initial name to a place? I ask you again: If Greece takes back Instabul.. it will be antiquity-frenzy to rename it Konstantinoupolis or.. it will be the fair and the more historic accurate thing to be done? lets not play with with words. the place was named Olympia till around 500 AD. i guess from sometime 600AD->1400 it was called Serviana, then it was named by the Greeks as ANTILALOS. That means that nobody, except the Germans/English scholars "remembered" this place to be named as "Olympia", in this aspect i guess its natural name would be Antilalos.
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Post by rex362 on Mar 21, 2011 13:40:03 GMT -5
In leaked cable,* Pangalos labels Macedonia row 'disaster' Wikileaks dispatches suggest Deputy PM told US ambassador FYROM should use name it wants While still just a PASOK MP, Deputy Prime Minister Theodoros Pangalos told the US Ambassador to Greece that the Macedonia name dispute has been a “disaster” from the start and that Greece’s neighbor should be allowed to use any name it wants. According to a batch of classified diplomatic cables from the US Embassy in Athens that were originally obtained by WikiLeaks and later seen by Kathimerini, Pangalos met with then US Ambassador Daniel Speckhard in February 2008. In Spechkard’s dispatch to the State Department, the diplomat reports that Pangalos said it was an honor to Greece that Skopje should want to use the term Macedonia and that it should be free to do so. Pangalos also describes as “absurd” Greek fears that the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) has expansionist tendencies. He blamed this on fears on the right of Greek politics, which stem back to the Civil War and concerns that communists would enter Greece from the Slavic countries. According to the cable, Pangalos also expressed support for the proposals put forward by United Nations mediator Matthew Nimetz. FYROM and Greece are still discussing a possible solution to their dispute through Nimetz but there has been little movement on the issue over the past few months. www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_2_21/03/2011_383772*Pangalos------> an Arvanitis
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