Zvone
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Post by Zvone on Feb 7, 2008 20:10:10 GMT -5
1: Were Greeks blondes and also blue eyed?
2: Was Alexander bisexual?
3: Did the Ancient Greeks speak English with a Brittish accent?
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Post by terroreign on Feb 7, 2008 20:17:46 GMT -5
I believe the movie was about Macedonians, did it talk about greeks anywhere during the film? If so let me know.
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Zvone
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Post by Zvone on Feb 7, 2008 20:22:21 GMT -5
Oh okay so Alexander was not Greek. WTF?
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 7, 2008 20:41:59 GMT -5
I checked the trailers of the movie where Alexander shouts before the battle with Darius...."for the freedom and glory of Greece" and to my surprise some low life scumsucking vermin erased the part ... I traced back to Macedonia.ORg.... I laughed so hard I fell on my a$$.
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Post by Arxileas on Feb 7, 2008 22:30:15 GMT -5
Don't know for back then, never studied for this. But most likely from what we see in some regions he conquered "like the kalash people" Blonde and some with blue eyes. No. Colin Farrell was in this movie. Na proto Scottish . I would have prefered Mel Gibson to have made this movie instead. I'm sure it would have been in Greek with English sub titles.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 8, 2008 0:49:29 GMT -5
Or even better, Slavic Macedonian with English subtitles
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Post by Arxileas on Feb 8, 2008 1:22:35 GMT -5
Or even better, Slavic Macedonian with English subtitles XA XA XA ! Yesss I was waiting for a comment like that. I truly wish that did happen in the movie, because the world would have quickly realised how Bulgarian they are these FYROMonites ;D And we would not be here discussing the Macedonian question at 2008 IMO. From Alexander to Goce Delchev the Bulgarian. From Slavs to Greek History and Bulgarian history and Bulgarian heroes. IMO this is nonsense. Back on topic IMO the term Greek is wrong, because we were Hellenes not Greeks at Alexander’s time. Also same thing happened in the movie Troy and 300. The term Greek was coined by the Romans "Greco" some centuries after the Man himself Alexandros. Another gem, is that when I saw this movie it was easy to spot the Skopjians, every time when the word Greece was used or when Alexander said " For the freedom and glory of Greece" You immediately see who's squirming in their seats from shock ;D ;D ;D hahahaha
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Post by terroreign on Feb 8, 2008 3:18:57 GMT -5
Ajax, I do believe they cut it from the movie, can you quote any other phrases that mention greece or hellas in the movie?
Oh and I'm sure the public, Americans especially, would not see anything bulgarian or non-macedonian about the movie if it was in the Slavic Macedonian language.
The language itself has a different sound to it than Bulgarian, and actually is more similar sounding to greek than any other slavic language I have heard.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 8, 2008 3:52:38 GMT -5
Zvone, 1) Achilles was blond and homer referred to him as having a rather not so common hair color. Odysseus was brown. (typical greek). But hair color also depends on the area/cast as well just like in your country. You open up HRTV1 and you see blond top models. you open up TVZ1 and you see normal brown haired ppl. (at least thats what i witnessed, i might be wrong). 2) Nobody knows, my bet is he was like those rock guitarists that are in love only with themselves 3) I think i know what you mean, and i agree the obsession of the modern Greeks to speak English in our movies (like in "El Greco" movie) is silly and unacceptable. I think English are overspoken now in Greece to really embarrassing levels.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 8, 2008 4:11:05 GMT -5
Greek1234, why you think so? I think homosexuality and other forms of sexual anomalies should be treated as a deviation from nature.
God invented sex for a reason. Anything not resulting, or having the chance of resulting in a new life, is simply a pathological case.
In Ancient Athens (the most liberal place of Greece), "Kinedos" was considered a rather bad and negative characteristic. I dont think the situation back then was much different than today.
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Post by areianos on Feb 8, 2008 4:21:55 GMT -5
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Post by areianos on Feb 8, 2008 4:23:22 GMT -5
Alexander was married four times and had three kids - no ancient records he enjoyed the company of men. Modern classicists are largely from the gay community.
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Post by areianos on Feb 8, 2008 4:25:50 GMT -5
As for sexuality in ancient Greece, Bruce Thornton sums it up the best.
The Greeks understood, perhaps, something we moderns do not; the Greeks understood the "inhuman chaos of nature" and perceived human order as the triumph of the mind and culture over the brute forces of nature. Eros, Thornton explains, is not "love" but "sexual desire." It is a representation of how sex attacks the mind and breaks man's will. Eros is a "disease of the soul." Consequently, sexual attraction as madness is a theme that recurs throughout Greek literature. The Greeks saw sex and violence as two sides of the same irrational coin.
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Post by Arxileas on Feb 8, 2008 4:29:16 GMT -5
A must see clip for those who want to know the truth regarding homosexuality in Anceint Greece.
A must see.
Highly recommended you watch.
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Post by Arxileas on Feb 8, 2008 6:42:42 GMT -5
Greek1234 you must be referring to Plutarch's report on the practices of The Sacred Band of Thebes. Then yes that would be true, no one can deny it. Just not as wide spread as some claim for homosexuality to have been in Hellas because it was totally forbidden. And the laws in those times were so strict it would be classified as outragesly draconian now.
The Sacred Band of Thebes I believe were isolated cases and they were mercenaries I believe and with their own rules ?
Plutarch was against it from some of his quotes.
Plutarch wrote: Affectionate regard for boys of good character was permissible, but embracing them was held to be disgraceful, on the ground that the affection was for the body and not for the mind. Any man against whom complaint was made of any disgraceful embracing was deprived of all civic rights for life. (Ancient Customs of the Spartans, 7. 237 - c.)
Excuse any typos been a long day.
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Post by Duke John on Feb 8, 2008 7:06:18 GMT -5
There were as many blue eye blonde hair Greeks in ancient times as there are today. Yep,this was the moust popular product back then!. whats best,it even turns your eye color to blue. ;D
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Zvone
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Post by Zvone on Feb 8, 2008 11:18:36 GMT -5
I don't know if this is true but I heard that the ancient Greeks used to whiten their skin and dye themselves blond to have a higher social standing. Nothing new really if this is true.
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 8, 2008 12:39:54 GMT -5
To have a social standing against who....?
The Romans...the Egyptians..or the Persians..... they were all darker...
I swear some of you will repeat any bullchit you hear...
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Zvone
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Post by Zvone on Feb 8, 2008 13:22:30 GMT -5
Because they considered in their society whiter skin and blue eyes closer to the gods maybe? I studied Latin american history when the colonials who were mestizos started to whiten their skin to become more socially renouned.
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Post by areianos on Feb 8, 2008 13:48:43 GMT -5
Absolute claptrap.
Seven[7] tribes forumalted the ancient Greeks - these seven tribes originated in different parts of the known world.
The same would be true for modern Greece - same theory different names.
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