Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 13, 2010 14:42:39 GMT -5
Theorem: you were involved in the bombing as well, hidden behind the back of your big mama : USA. Proof: Wow you mean the USA and the UK and almost all of the EU countries are going to dissapear
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Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Sept 13, 2010 14:58:53 GMT -5
Proof of what?
Were you born near Chernobyl? I mean something is not right with u...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 13, 2010 15:59:58 GMT -5
i'd prefer been born in a slav country, but unfortunately i wasn't born there.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 13, 2010 18:37:28 GMT -5
"I don't see the big deal about their place of origin, since Turkish is a combination of various ethnicities which includes, Ex Yugoslavian(Serb, Croat, Bosniak), Albanian, Greek, Kurdish, Zaza, Yoruk, Bulgarian, Ozbek, Khazak, Laz, Georgian and so much more...
Just as the USA is composed of different ethnicities but all are Americans, the same with all the above who want to say so are TURKS.
Man I am so bored of these stupid ethnic claiming wars... If they want to they can play for Serbia or for Turkey or whoever they feel like.."
Desire, when l was a kid back in the 80's (in Australia), l used to wonder why my parents and many other Yugoslavs of Serbian ethnicity used to declare themselves as Yugoslavs not Serbs, while at the same time the FYROMians or Slovenians strictly never, l mean never, declared themselves as Yugoslavs but Slovenes or FYROMians in the Australian Census'. Point being, if Turkey was dismantled in the same fashion as Yugoslavia, don't tell me that the same ethnic claiming wars wouldn't happen.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Sept 14, 2010 2:13:24 GMT -5
Bogdan Tanjevic je rekao da uglavnom prica sa njima na bosanskom (njegove rijeci) Politika. Covjek hoce da bude uspjesan... pricace ono sta ce mu donijest poverenje. Kad ovo pregledam mogu zamisliti kako je bilo i lako Osmanlije pretvoriti Srbe. andromeda I really don't see why you are getting so hysterical. I don't see why it should be construed as some sort of terrible nationalism pointing out that Turkeys coach is Serbian and that some of their players have roots in Serbia and Bosnia. lol at Desire & Thracian using any opportunity to post good looking Turks. Yes there are plenty of good looking Turks if you are after some acknowledgement. Please keep doing it though by all means. That chick is gorgeous. She looks quite Serbian actually imo... Probably all the janissaries and other Balkanites the Ottomans took back scored the best Anatolian chicks and it produced all these good looking hybrids. That and the Sultans harems and you would expect that.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Sept 14, 2010 2:13:31 GMT -5
Well the majority of people are so intermixed that it is just going to be by personal choice "who feels what ethnicity"...
Also the Ottomans kept them together for like 600 years, whether good or bad, shame on Turkey if we break up after 90 years, by the way how many years was Yugoslavia even together?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 14, 2010 3:38:10 GMT -5
^^^ Desire, sorry to say it str8 in your face (like i did to my copatriots many times before) but, the ottoman empire, never really existed, in the same fashion that the Byzantine empire (of which the ottoman empire was the direct descendent ) never existed. "yugoslavia" existed in the balkans since 500 AD, and all the signs are there. Hysterical renaming and redrawing of maps do not change the reality. The byzantine centers of power (and not empire) and the Otoman centers of power were based on the slav element. They existed because of slavs, and were destroyed when slavs simply demanded independence. It happened with Byzantines vs Slavs during 900-1400, when simply slavs formed their kingdoms, Byzantium ceased to exist. It happened with Turks vs Slavs during (1800-1900). Taking into account that the power has moved from east to west, i can only predict worse and worse things for the nations of east (greeks, turks, etc..)
PS in case you dont know, Serbs are a lot more "westernized" than any of the rest of orthodox or muslim nations (the nations of the east).
In the east, only Israel (this friend of turkey and NATO member ;D ;D ;D) seems more "western" than the Serbs.
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Post by logjiktek on Sept 14, 2010 5:05:34 GMT -5
\ Desire, when l was a kid back in the 80's (in Australia), l used to wonder why my parents and many other Yugoslavs of Serbian ethnicity used to declare themselves as Yugoslavs not Serbs, while at the same time the FYROMians or Slovenians strictly never, l mean never, declared themselves as Yugoslavs but Slovenes or FYROMians in the Australian Census'. Point being, if Turkey was dismantled in the same fashion as Yugoslavia, don't tell me that the same ethnic claiming wars wouldn't happen. You can't really compare the two. Man ppl that left to Turkey have done so out of persecution or they simply felt "Turkish." They embrace Turkey as their new country and many do not have any strong nationalistic feelings for their past ancestry. Yugoslavia fell once Tito died. Turkey has gone through different leaders and their statehood is not held by one man, but one idea of feeling "Turkish."
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Sept 14, 2010 10:15:54 GMT -5
Pyrros from hereon I shall not take your comments seriously. It seems you need to be on some kind of anti-psychotic medication.
I have had Serbian family members and friends, I haven't yet had a bad experience with any Serb, (I guess you are an exception, but I don't think it is with real mens rea)
Lojitek is correct the feeling of Turkishness is not material it is stronger than the blood in your veins, it is a belief system, a love that cannot be defined by where you were born or what your parents were.
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Post by andromeda on Sept 14, 2010 10:32:03 GMT -5
Proof of what? Were you born near Chernobyl? I mean something is not right with u... Hahahaha. This made me lol. No , he's a Greek Serbophile or at the very least , Slavophile ( except for Bulgarians, Croats , and Bosniaks - I might be leaving someone out though.) I guess his wife is Serbian but I think he tries to be more Serb than even her . Here in the U.S. I lived among a very large Ex-Yu community. Back in the 80's almost all the Serbs , Bosnians , Slovenes , and *especially* Macedonians called themselves Yugoslav and were quite proud of it. The only group that insisted on not being Yugoslav were the Croats although even half of them would prefer Yugoslav ( i.e. there were two major ex-yu club halls , the Croatian Hall and the Yugoslavian Club , both owned by Croats.) I guess its different wherever you go. What part of Aussie, Novi?
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Post by andromeda on Sept 14, 2010 10:48:58 GMT -5
No worries , bro. Its not hysteria its just disappointment along with some facepalming. The fact that they have grandparents or parents from somewhere in the Ex-Yu is pretty much irrelevant unless those people want to make it relevant. Also , he prefers Bosnian/Bosniak ethnicity/ancestry for obvious reasons , why insist that he's a Serb or something other than a Bosniak? Why do you even care?
He actually feels mostly Turkish and why wouldn't he. He will have/has a Turkish family and it will be the same for his kids , grandkids , etc. My great grandmother was Ukrainian and from her ancestors I have a rich history among the Ukrainian people but it means little to me. I've even met a distant cousin that lives there today. Should someone 'claim me' as a Ukrainian?
Exactly. Spot on. The Ottomans did what few could do , keep the entire region reasonably stable for centuries. As soon as the Balkan countries were 'independent' all the bloodiness started once again, almost like a relic from medieval attitudes in europe. The Ottomans didn't just occupy the region , they integrated it into Turkish society. They brought art , literature , cuisine , language , etc to a very underdeveloped class of people , even by Medieval european standards. Some people in the Balkans would hate to admit it , but within their culture exists a lot of 'Turkisms.'
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Post by Patrinos on Sept 14, 2010 16:00:46 GMT -5
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Post by ulf on Sept 14, 2010 18:14:25 GMT -5
Patrinos, I saw that video few times, even slow motion. I really don't like to talk about referees and bad officiating, but I in this situation I think he didn't stepped so obviously out of bounds, his leg in that position was already in the air(in the link). Hmmm...he might stepped the line a little bit, but its uncertain.
Anyway, the thing I am interested more is if the Turkish basketball association were paying every player 1 million euros, how much did referees got? ;D
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