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Post by PrijesDardanian on Sept 21, 2010 4:17:19 GMT -5
lol at Albanians trying to dissprove their obvious short, tubby, unathletic (Med) stereotype. I suppose it's a pretty bad stereotype... Oh it's the diet man you should see the new generation, oh my cousins friend man he's huge. I suppose they reconcile them selves by having the whitest skin on the Balkans... So according to Donnie we can't use sport to gauge height but making up stories about his cousins friend is legit lol. But no wait the Kosovars (who are only about 25% of the Albanian populace) they are tall. So I suppose the Serbs were feeding the Albanians better than the Albanians in Albania were feeding them selves. I really doubt they are even kidding them selves. Pyrros, tell me more about those Albanians in Greece man. Even the slav Macedonians who Serbs stereotype as short see Albanians as short and wobbly. Oh Man you are talking from you ass....Albanians without doubt are one of most slender+athletic in balcan...every Antropologist+historian since XVI century despricied this.....Serbs are vert fattly compare to Albaniaans...i remember all police serbs in Kosova were chubby like Milosevic, also i visited most south+central serbia (bujanovac, vranje, leskovac ect)...i noticed serbs generally were chubby compare to us....also in my city before 1998 alot serbian youngs were fatty asses ;D....you must learn about "Dinarid phenotype" i think you have not idea...you can find a good books from famous antropologist Coon, Gunther, Lech Jankowski ect.
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Post by Patrinos on Sept 21, 2010 4:20:48 GMT -5
lol at Albanians trying to dissprove their obvious short, tubby, unathletic (Med) stereotype. I suppose it's a pretty bad stereotype... Oh it's the diet man you should see the new generation, oh my cousins friend man he's huge. I suppose they reconcile them selves by having the whitest skin on the Balkans... So according to Donnie we can't use sport to gauge height but making up stories about his cousins friend is legit lol. But no wait the Kosovars (who are only about 25% of the Albanian populace) they are tall. So I suppose the Serbs were feeding the Albanians better than the Albanians in Albania were feeding them selves. I really doubt they are even kidding them selves. Pyrros, tell me more about those Albanians in Greece man. Even the slav Macedonians who Serbs stereotype as short see Albanians as short and wobbly. Oh Man you are talking from you ass....Albanians without doubt are most slender+muscular in balcan...every Antropologist+historian since XVI century despricied this.....Serbs are vert fattly compare to Albaniaans...i remember all police serbs in Kosova were chubby like Milosevic, also i visited most south+central serbia (bujanovac, vranje, leskovac ect)...i noticed serbs generally were chubby compare to us....also in my city before 1998 alot serbian youngs were fatty asses ;D....you must learn about "Dinarid phenotype" i think you have not idea...you can find a good books from famous antropologist Coon, Gunther, Lech Jankowski ect. its just that albos are thin like they're sick...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 21, 2010 4:30:44 GMT -5
Not selected at all. Dude its the first youtube i found with an albo demonstration. i was in such a hurry to answer to you! ps this usa/mexican parallelism is just noise. Albos *are* shorter than the greeks. At least here in Athens. If in some remote places in yugoslavia, there are Serbs/Slavs that were converted to Albs during the otoman rule, that, i am in no position to know. And you shouldn't base whole theories on top of a few assimilated slavs. According to the more extreme ends of radical greater Serbian theory, most Kosovar Albanians are also Serbs along with northern Albania ( stara srpska zemlja or so we're told) who were part of the infamous and numerous 'Catholic Serb nation' that converted to Islam and then into Albanians. The rest of the Albanians would be Chechen imports or something. Albania is full of Serbian toponyms. Sorry.
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Post by ioan on Sept 21, 2010 4:32:34 GMT -5
Albania is full of Serbian toponyms. Sorry. Southern Albania is full of Bulgarian toponyms.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 21, 2010 4:43:00 GMT -5
Albania is full of Serbian toponyms. Sorry. Southern Albania is full of Bulgarian toponyms. i didnt see any bulgar-turkic toponyms in Albania. Hell, those Serbs even had standard Serbian pronounciation by todays' standards, Suvoselo, Leskoviki, etc... sorry. Do you say "suvo" for "dry" as well Jovane? Is suvo/suho interchangable ? ;D PS Regarding Serbian toponyms in albania, i generally study them with southern Ipiros as a whole. Todays' borders have no meaning when dealing with toponyms from 600 AD.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 21, 2010 4:47:13 GMT -5
Jovane about the Ipiros region, you know the results of my studies. I hate to be repetitive.
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Post by ulf on Sept 21, 2010 4:50:25 GMT -5
lol at Albanians trying to dissprove their obvious short, tubby, unathletic (Med) stereotype. I suppose it's a pretty bad stereotype... Oh it's the diet man you should see the new generation, oh my cousins friend man he's huge. I suppose they reconcile them selves by having the whitest skin on the Balkans... So according to Donnie we can't use sport to gauge height but making up stories about his cousins friend is legit lol. But no wait the Kosovars (who are only about 25% of the Albanian populace) they are tall. So I suppose the Serbs were feeding the Albanians better than the Albanians in Albania were feeding them selves. I really doubt they are even kidding them selves. Pyrros, tell me more about those Albanians in Greece man. Even the slav Macedonians who Serbs stereotype as short see Albanians as short and wobbly. Oh Man you are talking from you ass....Albanians without doubt are one of most slender+athletic in balcan...every Antropologist+historian since XVI century despricied this.....Serbs are vert fattly compare to Albaniaans...i remember all police serbs in Kosova were chubby like Milosevic, also i visited most south+central serbia (bujanovac, vranje, leskovac ect)...i noticed serbs generally were chubby compare to us....also in my city before 1998 alot serbian youngs were fatty asses ;D....you must learn about "Dinarid phenotype" i think you have not idea...you can find a good books from famous antropologist Coon, Gunther, Lech Jankowski ect. In the north of Serbia(and also Croatia), there are some as you say "fattly" Cromagnid types, usually with light brown hairs and light eyes. However those "fattly" Albanian types are 100% Mediterranean
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Sept 21, 2010 5:03:05 GMT -5
Oh Man you are talking from you ass....Albanians without doubt are one of most slender+athletic in balcan...every Antropologist+historian since XVI century despricied this.....Serbs are vert fattly compare to Albaniaans...i remember all police serbs in Kosova were chubby like Milosevic, also i visited most south+central serbia (bujanovac, vranje, leskovac ect)...i noticed serbs generally were chubby compare to us....also in my city before 1998 alot serbian youngs were fatty asses ;D....you must learn about "Dinarid phenotype" i think you have not idea...you can find a good books from famous antropologist Coon, Gunther, Lech Jankowski ect. In the north of Serbia(and also Croatia), there are some as you say "fattly" Cromagnid types, usually with light brown hairs and light eyes. However those "fattly" Albanian types are 100% Mediterranean You are wrong again, fatty albanian types is "alpine" ( example: albanian politican Ilir Meta) and is more present in southern albanians while among serbs are more common comprasion with Albanians.... example: Milosevic and Ratko Mladic both are "Baltido-Alpinoid" or "Gorid", just i said i have seen alot fatt serbs in Kosova and South+Central Serbia (Nis, vranje, bujanovac ect).
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Post by ulf on Sept 21, 2010 5:12:12 GMT -5
In the north of Serbia(and also Croatia), there are some as you say "fattly" Cromagnid types, usually with light brown hairs and light eyes. However those "fattly" Albanian types are 100% Mediterranean You are wrong again, fatty albanian types is "alpine" ( example: albanian politican Ilir Meta) and is more present in southern albanians while among serbs are more common comprasion with Albanians.... example: Milosevic and Ratko Mladic both are "Baltido-Alpinoid" or "Gorid", just i said i have seen alot fatt serbs in Kosova and South+Central Serbia (Nis, vranje, bujanovac ect). Your example is more like mix of Alpine and Mediterranean. Those that I saw had black hairs and were looking more like:
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Sept 21, 2010 5:47:35 GMT -5
Oh Man you are talking from you ass....Albanians without doubt are one of most slender+athletic in balcan...every Antropologist+historian since XVI century despricied this.....Serbs are vert fattly compare to Albaniaans...i remember all police serbs in Kosova were chubby like Milosevic, also i visited most south+central serbia (bujanovac, vranje, leskovac ect)...i noticed serbs generally were chubby compare to us....also in my city before 1998 alot serbian youngs were fatty asses ;D....you must learn about "Dinarid phenotype" i think you have not idea...you can find a good books from famous antropologist Coon, Gunther, Lech Jankowski ect. The thing about Albanians, not only are they completely Med/Alpine looking but they are culturally the most of every bad Med stereotype you can get. I mean if we are going to pick a people in Europe culturally most similar to Arabs then Albanians are a complete dead ringer. Nobody comes remotely close to the filthy mouths Albanians have. And the way you constantly give crap to Greeks (& slavs, black people & everyone else) about their appearance is disgusting so it's really nice that on the height range Greeks are clearly taller than Albanians. It's obvious even from internet photograps that Greeks have many more taller people then Albanians. Tall Greek are always popping up. In Albanian photographs there are plenty of nice looking people (I honestly think Albanains are the most consistent in look and have whiter skin then all of Bosnians, Serbs & Croats) but about zero tall or large looking people. Every other people you can tell are distinctively larger then Albanians. And not one of them looks like they could do a thing with a ball in their vicinity. None of them are fat but kind of soft and floppy looking. Face it, a century of modern sporting history has practically proven Albanians are innately unathletic people. The only thing they can manage to excell at is the very Med sport of boxing. They are the odd ones out in a region where every single neighbour has achieved something in the most popular sports. Greece along with every single one of the slavic countries including Bulgaria & FYROM have at least qualified for the European basketball championships. I mean even FYROM with less than 2 million people a short stereotype and a heap of Albanians as part of that can get through. Only the Albanians and their closest cousins the Romanians are unable to, I mean the connections are made obvious. In all the popular sports, waterpolo, handball, football every surrounding country is ahead in achievements as well as being ahead in individual sports. It's a harsh reality but every single surrounding neighbour knows this of Albanians. You look short, unathletic and tubby to every single neighbour. That's a fact. Your dirty mouths, your talking complete lies about your cousins and personal experiences will not even change that Greeks are distinctively taller than Albanians and that you have a century of uselessness behind you in a region where every neighbour has significant achievements. All you need to do is look at the Albanian photos to see your lies here and that your hopes for things to change in the future are the most futile of hopes. It's nice that the Albanians with their whitest skin in the Balkans and dirty Arab mouths can be brought back to earth with the worst of all stereotypes that every single neighbour knows they are the shortest most unathletic people in the region. If a century of modern sporting history is not enough I don't know what is. But go ahead keep talking about your tall cousins, better food and the next generation getting taller and better it's actually hilarious. After all the crap Albanians give to Greeks and then claiming they are taller as well lol what a dirty people.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Sept 21, 2010 6:07:40 GMT -5
I think that trying to isolate Yugoslavia's athletic successes to some kind of predetermined genetic/physical prowess is a huge mistake. Yugoslavia fostered a lot of physical competition and especially promoted international activity. The result was a very strong sports presence. When looking at most of the big Serb players, most moved from the villages they came from to a big city in the north that fostered their sports interests. This type of mobility was non-existant among Kosovo Albanians out of both discrimination and overall lack of assimilation into Yugoslavia (something that affected also the average Bosnian, IMHO). You've have stated the same thing previously but you are wrong. Facilities, participation if anything is worse then western Europe. Corruption is certainly worse. Funding is worse. Serbia's sporting minister (to headlines) stated this year that Serbia does not have a sporting culture and I agree with her. Serbia has a cafe, club, smoking culture. Serbs have the highest rate of smoking in Europe. People jogging for health like in the west... you have got to be kidding. Participation at any level is a joke. If you tell people that you jog or do any sort of organised sporting activity that is not professional or are not the best at they barely understand the concept. A town of 10k people in serbia will have one broken down stadium that services one team that plays against only neighbouring towns. A town of 4k people in Australia will have three teams competing in competion with neighbouring towns as well as a town league. Serbs do not know what a sporting culture outside of a few elite professionals is. If Serbia had an actual sporting culture and people were not as lazy as they are then the comparative sporting success Serbia is recognised for currently would go through the roof. I have no doubt of innate tallent. Oh that's nice to hear. And that's of course why Kosovo Albanians are taller then other Albanians.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 21, 2010 6:34:08 GMT -5
Arsenije, come on man, what you describe would be half-true for lets say Brcko, where 7 feeters are a common reality but they have no team to play. Or Visegrad. And the very few that will make it will go to play in Beograd.
*BUT*, in general sporting culture in yugoslavia was much much much better than the rest of balkans. I mean you see athletic families, kids everywhere.
In Teslic-Banja Vrucica/RS-BiH i saw they had special facilities for kids to learn how to swim, etc... In Vrnjacka Banja the same... Even in Vranjska Banja which is full of gypsies, there was some sporting mentality.
families like this one are very common :
"The result was that many in the rural villages of the country barely ever got to see what cooked meat looked like."
Excuse me, but that's not Hoxha's problem but an inherent cultural problem. My dad was in Albania while serving for the Greek ministry of agriculture and had told me that the albo methods in agriculture were a joke. The guys just didn;t care to get better.
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Post by logjiktek on Sept 21, 2010 7:10:58 GMT -5
I'm not sure about Strugans being "stocky." Most Albanian youth in FYROM are extremely thin (to the point they looked malnourished since their diet consists of coffee, ciggs, and more coffe) and can be described as anything but stocky. Struga also has a huge Tosk population and IMO they tend to be a bit shorter than Gegs. I'm not sure if the average height is 5'8" for guys since there are no real studies done on the height of Albanians in Macedonia, but I can tell you that most of the females in my family are atleast 5'6", but it's just my word against the others at this point. I'm a lil under 6 feet with sneakers (not tall by any means) and my brothers are a bit taller than me, around 6'1ish.
Serbs have a stereotype of being pretty tall, and I would assume the average Serb is taller than the average Albanian. My old serbian coworker was around 6'3"ish. But the Greeks? Puhleezzzzzz.
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Post by Nikola on Sept 21, 2010 7:31:15 GMT -5
I mean even FYROM with less than 2 million people a short stereotype and a heap of Albanians as part of that can get through. Wait... what? I know that Macedonians are not generally as tall as Serbs (on average), but a short stereotype? Only by giant Balkan standards maybe. But Macedonians certainly aren't short, lol.
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Post by Nikola on Sept 21, 2010 7:32:57 GMT -5
Btw, I don't think Albanians are short either. They have their mix of short and tall, just like most other Balkans countries.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 21, 2010 7:37:40 GMT -5
But the Greeks? Puhleezzzzzz. Sorry man, that is what we are witnessing every day. We cannot lie just to satisfy certain people here. Albs in athens (loads and loads of them) are *shorter* than the local Greeks. Its a fact visible from miles away.
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Post by donnie on Sept 21, 2010 8:44:08 GMT -5
The guy in the video is well over 2m, perhaps 2.10, you're saying 1/5 Serbs in Trebinje are well over 2 metres? LOL!!! Ive been in Montenegro where arguably the tallest Serbs live, I dont recall any seven footer to be honest or too many people being 2m ... of course they exist, but nowhere to the extent you're implying. Ive also been to Makarska, Dubrovnik and Neum, all close to Trebinje and arguably of the same genetic stock as that town; during my stay in those towns I saw only one guy who was perhaps 2.10, and that was in makarska. Youre such a tool and a liar .. either that or a dwarf with difficulties estimating heights. haha. If he has Serb blood, it would be his grandpa who f**ked a Serb grandma, in Drenica intermarriages with Serbs can be counted on fingers, and in all cases I recall the man was Albanian. Dont even know what youre implying here. You need to be more explicit .. are you seriously lecturing ME on my own homeregion? Lolz! Are you implying Serbs are inbreds bcs they all look alike or what? And what linguistic variation, what do you know of my language to make such a conclusion? LMAO Pokemon!!!! he "estimated" height from youtube!! LMAO Chechen, that made me laugh! LOL. Your stupidity complements your ugly persona. In one breath you laugh at me for using a video to make a point on height, not estimate a height average as you tried to convey, and at the second breath you do the same by posting a video on Albs from Greece to illustrate how short they are ... lolz! I think youre p!ssed bcs the video of Trebinje graduates showed that youre a stinking liar In Kosova you got Suhareka instead of Suva reka, and Suhogerlle instead of Suvo grlo. How do you explain that?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 21, 2010 8:52:24 GMT -5
Pokemon, i was clear enough. i will not explain (by repeating) what i said just for your sake.
As far as Suho/Suha are concerned, that is the common way that Bosnian Serbs say it.
PS What did i lie about you stupid idiot?
PS2 as far as to who is ugly and who is not, i have shown at least 3 youtube videos of mine, and nobody complained about me being "ugly".
(i wouldn't like to see your stinking albo photo tho, especially after meal....)
ha ha, do you know what meal is?? some other albo wrote certain albs do not know the word of cooked meat... LMAO
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Post by donnie on Sept 21, 2010 8:58:13 GMT -5
LOl, youre such a sorry chap with great complexes for your epirotic height,,, either way, it's a complete waste of time responding to you, so i'll settle with just laughing at you instead ;D
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Post by donnie on Sept 21, 2010 9:29:29 GMT -5
Oh Man you are talking from you ass....Albanians without doubt are one of most slender+athletic in balcan...every Antropologist+historian since XVI century despricied this.....Serbs are vert fattly compare to Albaniaans...i remember all police serbs in Kosova were chubby like Milosevic, also i visited most south+central serbia (bujanovac, vranje, leskovac ect)...i noticed serbs generally were chubby compare to us....also in my city before 1998 alot serbian youngs were fatty asses ;D....you must learn about "Dinarid phenotype" i think you have not idea...you can find a good books from famous antropologist Coon, Gunther, Lech Jankowski ect. It's nice that the Albanians with their whitest skin in the Balkans and dirty Arab mouths Dirty mouths? Seriously? I think there is no people on the face of the earth dirtier mouths & vocabulary than the Serbs, and this is consistent within every generation. Among Albs,. while the younger generations can swear alot and have dirty mouths, this is seemingly unheard of among elderlies. My grandfather for instance, born 1938, never swore once in my presence. Serbs on the other hand, wteher old or young, do not let any sentence escape without involving curses like "jebem", "pusi", "picka", "kurac" etc -- and they swear at everything, even God.
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