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Post by Vizier of Oz on Nov 10, 2010 10:05:36 GMT -5
Turkey's ambassador to Austria prompts immigration spat Turkey's ambassador to Austria has been summoned to the foreign ministry in Vienna for criticising attitudes towards immigrants. Kadri Ecved Tezcan said that Turks were quite happy in Austria but did not wish to be treated "like a virus". In an interview, he added that if he were the head of an organisation such as the UN he would not stay in Vienna. The foreign ministry said it was very unusual for a diplomat to behave in such a manner. Responding to the interview with the Austrian daily Die Presse, Austrian Foreign Minister Michael Spindelegger spoke by telephone to his Turkish counterpart Ahmet Davutoglu, on Wednesday morning. An hour later, Mr Tezcan arrived at the ministry to discuss his remarks. Austria's Interior Minister Maria Fekter was advised to steer clear of integration issues by Turkey's envoy In the interview with Austrian daily Die Presse, the ambassador complained that Turks were often accused of creating ghettos even though he said it was Austrian housing policy that sent them to the same neighbourhoods. "You must learn to live with others," he said. "What's Austria's problem?" Mr Tezcan also called on Austria's Interior Minister Maria Fekter to keep away from issues of integration, arguing that the only solution her ministry offered involved the police. A seasoned diplomat, Mr Tezcan, 61, became ambassador to Austria last year. He was also critical of remarks by German Chancellor Angela Merkel in which she argued that multiculturalism had failed. An estimated 350,000 people of Turkish origin live in Austria. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11725311
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Post by hellboy87 on Nov 11, 2010 5:33:55 GMT -5
I guess it's the fault of both the Turks and the Austrians.
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Post by wbb on Nov 12, 2010 7:19:15 GMT -5
i think the 300,000 Turks in Austria should migrate back to Hungary, cause of Hungary's falling population rates. Im 100% sure that Turks would contribute Hungary alot since Hungarians and Turks are relatives and not the stinking Germans. The 300,000 Turks migration to Hungary would put a halt to the Gypsy expansionism and would re-Turanise the country. Plus the over 3,000,000 millions Turks in Germany should go and re-populate the former Hungarian territories. Stronger the Hungarian nation, the stronger bridge way between Hungary and Turkey in the Balkans would become.
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Post by thracian08 on Nov 19, 2010 15:14:40 GMT -5
I've heard there is so much discrimination against Turks in Europe -esp Austria & Germany.
Sorry but Germans are an extremely racist ppl. It's in their blood.
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Post by hellboy87 on Nov 20, 2010 12:49:45 GMT -5
Of course racism is one of the reasons.But the Turks themselves make the host nation hate them:by refusing to intergrate,by acting like agents of Turkey.....
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Post by thracian08 on Nov 22, 2010 14:08:04 GMT -5
refusing to integrate - not true. see the Turks in the US versus Europe and you'll see that society in the US welcomes immigrants, but in the Europe most are not accepted by society.
U just talk w/o knowing the truth constantly. My German descent friend in US went to Germany, and says that Germans just stare at Turks. How would that make u feel in that country? Would you feel welcomed?
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Nov 23, 2010 17:12:31 GMT -5
The Turks in Germany are totally different from the Turks who were in the UK Pre-1980's . We then got an ınflux of refugees in 1986 or so, these refugees were similar to the German Turks, in way of culture and village mentality.
A Turk from a village won't integrate into a an EU country as well as a Turk from a big city would. They were riding donkeys and suddenly they are shopping in Oxford Street with free cash from the govt, they used to milk their cows, now they are sitting in star bucks ordering TEA!! anyhow....
I don't have anything against villagers, I just don't think they are the best choice of people to represent us in the EU
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Post by thracian08 on Nov 23, 2010 18:14:00 GMT -5
I agree with DY, but I also think that Germans are mostly to blame too.
Why is it that Chinese, Mexicans, etc come to the USA and integrate well, but not in Germany?
European mentality if very backwards - sorry but True! Ppl there are very racist - I think Germany is quite racist.
In contrast USA is a land of immigrants that's why they are more accepted. You can be Turkish American, chinese American, etc. You don't have to abandon your heritage to become American, whereas in Germany, u have to act like a German, think lik e a German to be accpeted in their society.
That's the biggest issue.
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Post by thracian08 on Nov 23, 2010 18:16:54 GMT -5
One of my Afgan friend who grew up in Germany told me about the racism that she encountered.
She said it was her, a Turkish girl, and an Iranin girl in a classroom full of pure blood Germans. My friend got the highest grade in a German Language exam.
The teacher couldn't believe that a non-German ethnic descent person got the highest grade, and instead of praising her for gettin the best grade in her class, said she couldn't belive it instead.
That's why Europeans talk about the EU, rights, etc, but they are hypocrites when it comes to how they implement things themselves.
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Post by thracian08 on Nov 23, 2010 18:20:26 GMT -5
There are many Turks in New Jersey USA who are not educated either, just like the Germany Turks, but they are not outcasted from society like the ones in Germany are.
I know that things have changed in Germany gradually; more Turks are becoming more educated.
but still there is a lot of racism there.
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Post by logjiktek on Nov 23, 2010 19:35:31 GMT -5
My cousin is from Switzerland and she tells me that many of the natives there don't like Balkan ppl in general (I'm not sure if she was thinking of Turkey though.) She told that many of the Swiss label Balkan ppl as one and the same, and stereotype Balkanites as being thieves, rapist, drug dealers and so forth. She was even telling me a story how she was at a bank one time and the bank teller could tell that her first name is Albanian and the bank teller was suprised how normal she seemed lol. The bank teller even mistook her for a Swiss, and she was suprised that she could be Albanian.
Anyways I do think Turks fail to integrate into European society. I've read other articles that claimed the Turkish ambassador asked Germany and Austria to open up Turkish schools to help bridge the language gap. You might mention the United States, but you have to remember that in the United States Turks are much more disperse and smaller in number, thus, they are more likely to assimilate in the US. Compare that to the Switzerland or Germany, much smaller countries where Turks make up actual ethnic neighborhoods, they are less prone to assimilate to Swiss/German life since they live in their own mini-Turkey. I guess you can also blame the Kurds as well lol
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Post by thracian08 on Nov 24, 2010 16:49:16 GMT -5
Agreed, Germany has the most Turks, however, there are many Turks in NY, New Jersey and most are not educated. However, they are well integrated to life in America.
It's the European mentality I think. USA is most advanced - no one cares what you do, how you dress, etc, ppl are more open minded here.
Yes, the ambassor said so b/c the German gov't for ex hinders a lot of Turks from advancing to the high schools which allow u to go to university. There's a lot of discrimination against them. And what happens? Of course you'll live in a neighborhood full of your ppl and were you feel comfortable most.
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Post by logjiktek on Nov 24, 2010 17:14:36 GMT -5
Well I do agree that Americans tend to be more accepting of foreigners than Europeans, but one needs to take into account that the United States is a nation founded by immigrants and Europe is slowly transitioning themselves into immigrant states. Countries like Germany, and Switzerland had relatively homogenous populations even up to 50 years ago.
I do think that many Europeans hold racist POV's but I believe the ethnic neighborhoods are just as big of a reason why the Turkish immigrants are not integrating into society. You mention that these neighborhoods are the product of discrimination (maybe something similar to the "White Plight" in the US?) however, I would assume the majority of the Turks live in these areas b/c A) they're probably lower income neighborhoods and B) it's only natural people want to live with people whom they share a similar culture to. The Italians, Jews, Irish (almost all immigrant groups in the US) were also discriminated against and they each had their own ethnic neighborhoods as well. Over time they assimilated into American culture. I don't know if the Turks are willing to do the same.....
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Nov 27, 2010 10:11:04 GMT -5
USA a country who should have Racism written out as one of its founding principle pillars?
To think they are better at integrating than Europe is a Joke.
The USA is surely not better at integrating, rather they choose to blend in those that they think will make a positive contribution to the country.
Since Obama, the rise of anti govt Groups has been astounding, mainly due to his race.
The way that the Mexicans have integrated into America is a clear example of their integration policies...
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Post by shejtani on Nov 27, 2010 12:54:40 GMT -5
oh come on, Turks in Belgium have made Belgians hate them. They act as jerks when they see blond girls, they have backward mentality and they have completely fucked up the places where they live. They can't speak French correctly even if they are born in French speaking parts of Belgium, they really disgust every one. But it's true they mainly come from Eskisehir and Emirdag, not speaking about those from Eastern Turkey ...
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Post by odel on Nov 27, 2010 15:29:26 GMT -5
That's an extremely racist comment there.
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Post by shejtani on Nov 27, 2010 17:35:57 GMT -5
That's an extremely racist comment there. especially since I never heard that a German father beated her daughter because she wanted to marry a Turk ... can we say that for Turks ?
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Post by wbb on Nov 28, 2010 4:07:02 GMT -5
Shejtani, Germans are the most racist bastards i ever known in this world. The proof of it is that there are many ethnic Swab-Germans living in Hungary and many of them are quite brutal and very racist. Many of them even go as far as saying that "Pure Hungarians are with blond hair and blue eyes" when in fact Hungarians are no more than a Turk with Eurasian genes. They the Germans claims they are the best of Hungarians when in fact they introduced the fukn Nazism and neo-Nazism into Hungary. I know cause I lived in a village called Pomaz which is north of Budapest, there lives too many Germans and they were my neighbours. Mostly they werent friendly at all, they say such like "You should go back to Australia" "You are not Hungarian" things like that even if i have Hungarian heritage on me. U know what was my reply? Fuk off to Germany and play your "Heil Hitler" games over there, we had enough of u German garbage polluting Hungary and ur stinking Germanisation. Anyway guys, all Turks who live in Germany and Austria and doesnt want to go back to Turkey is more than welcome to live in Macaristan since we are your relatives.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Nov 29, 2010 14:29:33 GMT -5
Shejtanı,,, ur input is based on crap.
Plenty of Germans and Belgians are peodophiles..... have u heard of many Turkish peodophiles?
This is ur stupid logic... go back to the sandpit little boy.
People from Eskisehir are very modern, people from the villages behave the very same way that you have described in the big cities.... People must learn to differentiate where these people are coming from.
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Post by thracian08 on Nov 29, 2010 15:00:19 GMT -5
DY, you are so wrong about integration and the USA. USA is # 1 in terms of integration when compared to Europe - u cannot even compare. Come and see for yourself. European nations were built upon nationalism, America was built on immigration. There is quite a different outlook.
The reason why it's so advanced was b/c it was so backward when you look at the slavery blacks endured. Blacks went thru so much, and laws changed accordingly.
Odel, there's nothing racist about my comment. It's true in general. Of course there are exceptions. I"m not saying all Germans are like that, I 'm generalizing.
Their mentality is like that so true Wbb.
@ the devil Arnavut, the Belgium Turks do not represent Turkey Turks.
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