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Post by laughingriever on Dec 3, 2010 22:31:19 GMT -5
Sorry to get in the way of arguing about human rights, but here's a reply to the Turkish ambassador from in the parliament. This thread seemed like a good place to put this instead of just starting another.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Dec 4, 2010 9:43:46 GMT -5
OK since you don't know anything about stat's i shall enlighten you again, there is 4% of the population of the EU that are illegal immigrants. The homeland securities estimate for all immigrants is 10.8 Million in 2010 so that would make.... il let u work it out lol so we can clearly say that yes even though the population is greater, the percentage is still higher, therefore apple to apples and dust to dust, the EU has more immigrants. Do you understand now? I really hope u do, if not, what a shame. When I asked about the Green Card, I meant that illegal immigrants aren't given one are they?, even after 10 years its difficult for them to get one. They are deported and seperated from their families. How tragic and disgusting for the USA. I don't know why you have become obsessed with ID cards, they don't have them in the UK too, so what? we are not talking about ID cards anyway. The police don't only harass people with an ID card. I doubt you would have even heard of this research and report called: Living In America: Challenges Facing New Immigrants and Refugees Prepared for the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation by Lake Snell Perry Mermin/Decision Research It clearly details the harassment and injustices immigrants face from law officials in the states. Clearly opposite to your nonfactual statements. Although I doubt you would have any knowledge of anything like this, perhaps to enlighten your brain and help you see out of the bubble you live in. THE QUALITY OF LIFE INDEX is what I showed you and you still talk to me about taxes, I repeat the Quality of life Index is what the world uses as a scale with various factors for quality of life and the USA isn't even in the top 10. Yet you can carry on repeating like a parrot about taxes,, it doesn't mean anything. What planet are you on? Mexican Teenager Shot Dead on Mexican Soil by US Border Agent www.democracynow.org/2010/6/10/mexican_teenager_shot_dead_on_mexicango and read it there are hundred more like this.... You are really ignorant... unbelievable. I don't know what you studied, or what your specialism is but I CAN ENSURE YOU that I certainly have more common and general knowledge than you have about most subjects here. The Thread about Islam cracked me up, but also made me aware that you truly do believe what you say... I don't want you to embarrass yourself anymore.. please just stop.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Dec 4, 2010 16:05:08 GMT -5
To finalise this discussion. I have found more up to date data in regards to this subject: Based on data from the US Committee for Refugees and Immigrants, the number of refugees has remained roughly stable: 13,599,900 in 2009 compared to 14 million in 2000 In the EU there are 70 million immigrants and it is always rising. Yet the point I have been trying to make can be understood here: in the USA There are only 1.5% of illegal immigrants in refugee status. in the EU there are 2.3 % of illegal immigrants in refugee status.These people are the ones who have been the main topic. Those that understand figures and stats will be able to comprehend which nation has the most illegal immigrants.source: International Migrant Stock: The 2008 Revision esa.un.org/migration/p2k0data.asp another point to clarify is: Quality of life for normal citizens.javascript:add(" ","") According to the Mercer survey European cities dominate the list, US cities don't appear in the top ten. www.mercer.com/press-releases/quality-of-living-report-2010#City_Ranking_TablesAccording to the quality of life index, the USA again didn't feature in the Top 10 highest quality places to live in 2005. 5 years later in 2010 it is 7th in the list after France, Australia, Switzerland, Germany, New Zealand, Luxembourg. After 3 European countries. internationalliving.com/2010/02/quality-of-life-2010/ So we can see living standards in Europe are higher.By the way you definitely do not make a decision about the quality of life from the tax rate. This is a laughability This American report show the amount of harassment immigrants in the USA face from state and law officials: Living In America: Challenges Facing New Immigrants and Refugees Prepared for the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation by Lake Snell Perry Mermin/Decision Research As you can see in this report if you read it, it isn't as you think it is, through your bubble world glasses. Clearly we can see factual evidence as I don't talk out of my arse when i mention things, If you can disprove what I said with facts go ahead. I highly doubt it.
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Post by thracian08 on Dec 4, 2010 16:14:10 GMT -5
Of course illegals aren't given green cards? why would they???
You don't make any sense. In Europe, EU member countires kicked the Roma out - which they are a part of?
How do you explain that? How is that a good mentality?
What I mean is that if you are taxed less, you earn a higher income, and if life is cheap since you DO have a higher standard of living.
This is what keeps AMerica going if you cannot still understand this.
Why don't you leave this topic, b/c you have problems accpeting this fact.
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Post by thracian08 on Dec 4, 2010 16:15:48 GMT -5
And an agent shooting one Mexican is not an everyday affair since you are trying to generalize it.
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Post by thracian08 on Dec 4, 2010 16:19:58 GMT -5
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Dec 4, 2010 16:27:02 GMT -5
Obviously you have trouble reading or ignore what I write because it doesn't fit into your twisted views and distorted ideas about the world. I wrote above that in 2010 the USA was placed 7th but u missed that little part, I also added that OMG there are 3 European countries in front of it!! In fact I posted 2 exclusive surveys to make my point ( I was right by the way ) In May 2000, an illegal immigrant was shot in the shoulder by a border patrolman near Brownsville, Texas, and died later from the wounds.[35] On May 28, 1994, Martín García Martínez was shot by a Border Patrol agent at the San Ysidro port of entry. He died on July 3 as a result of his injuries.[36] On May 2010, a recently deported Mexican migrant died after a Customs and Border Protection officer shocked him with a stun gun at the San Ysidro border crossing.[37] "Methamphetamine abuse and hypertension contributed to the death of a 32-year-old Mexican who was shocked with a stun gun in a fight with federal agents at the San Ysidro border crossing, the county coroner’s office ruled."[38] On June 2010 , a 15-year-old Mexican citizen was shot to death on the Mexican side of the border near El Paso, Texas. The U.S Border Patrol reported that the officers responded to a group of suspected illegal immigrants who where throwing rocks at them. President Felipe Calderón criticize the shooting by stating that "the use of firearms to repel attacks with stones represents disproportionate use of force".[37][39] Once again you don't have a clue on whats happening with the world. I don't know wen u immigrated to the USA you don't even have a Green Card it seems., so you are an illegal right? or u have a visa,,,lol anyhow I have 4th generation family that live in the USA and have been there, I also am actively involved in reading international politics, economy and world relations, so don't ever try to tell me your opinions which are total hogwash, respect the person you are debating with. Either read the responses or go and talk to yourself.
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Post by thracian08 on Dec 4, 2010 16:38:00 GMT -5
You haven't proved that the EU treats its immigrants better than the USA.
ID cards is a big deal b/c the police can randomly come up to you and ask for your papers and arrest you. Are you joking? In the usa, no policy can arrest you or deport you for being illegal if they d o not have a warrant
i have given you numerous examples showing you so.
My points are this; in USA there is less racism against immigrants, ppl are more open minded mentality they judge you on who you are not where you come from, this is b/c uSA was founded on immigrants, since there is no such thing as a AMerican race, life is cheaper here and you can save more money.
USA is the best and easiest place to open you own business - did you know?
Even I would like to travel to Europe, but it's so expensive.
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Post by thracian08 on Dec 4, 2010 16:43:10 GMT -5
Please don't speak to me with your know it all attitude. I came to the USA when I was 6 months old - thank you! I am a US Citizen of course !!!! I bet you aren't even a UK citizen right? See how it feels to accuse someone of something?
Sure there are European countries in front of it, not all of the European countries though, as the USA is huge country.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Dec 4, 2010 16:47:01 GMT -5
America's racism is known worldwide,, kkk anyone?
This American report show the amount of harassment immigrants in the USA face from state and law officials:
Living In America: Challenges Facing New Immigrants and Refugees Prepared for the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation by Lake Snell Perry Mermin/Decision Research
This report talks about the racism that is faced.
Once you read it and become educated on the issue come back to me, until then please keep your OPINIONS to yourself.
Americans can't afford to come to Europe but Europeans can all afford to come to the USA:? even though u guys have lower tax rates!!! Europeans have more expendable income?? BECAUSE WE HAVE A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE.
Do you still not understand??
I work with lots of Americans, and even they admit that life in America isn't that good, and you a Turkish non legal immigrant that is a wannabe American tries to tell me otherwise.
Wow get your head out into the sun I think you are missing some vitamins...
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Post by thracian08 on Dec 4, 2010 16:56:45 GMT -5
Ummm excuse me European racism, the Holocoast, British Empire hello! Ppll constantly being discriminated against, giving looks to immigrant, that doesn't happen here. much in the USA.
Now i never said it didn't exist in the uSA did I? I said it's much less common and that's why it's a great place for immigrants to stay.
I live where there are immigrant from all over the world and I see how ppl get treated.
Unfortunately b/c you haven't lived in the US you have you are CLUELESS about it.
You wannabe British yourself! what's your problem, having a hard time accepting that I am an American citizen now ! wow! YOu have some attitude problems.
No, b/c life's expensive you have to have a higher income. Duh! but if you wanna buy clothes, electronics, food, etc. it is way more compared to what we would pay if you can get it thru your brain, thus we have a higher standard of living moneywise.
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Post by thracian08 on Dec 4, 2010 17:03:02 GMT -5
You are soo rude to me b/c I won't accept your beliefs.
Why don't you behave respectful, instead of trying to pick on me with your lies!
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Dec 4, 2010 17:09:19 GMT -5
So i give you reports and statistics and you give me your fairytales... nothing to support anything you say.
Do you even known when segregation ended in the USA?
Europeans fought against the Holocaust, The British Empire?
What about what America is doing in Iraq, Afganistan, and all the other places they don't belong? How they are treating the natural nationals of those countries.... 1/2 a million dead in Iraq and videos of US soldiers saying they are arab rats?
How dare you try top compare the uncivilised, hillbilly, majority of Americans to Europeans?
I don't have any issues about you being an American Citizen whatsoever, in fact it is much more suitable than being a Turk, since Turks generally have much more cultural, and general knowledge then you have. You seriously lack certain skills.
I am not wannabe, I was born in the UK and grew up there darling.... I became a Turkish citizen only 4 years ago.
You are really stupid I am sorry, I have to say, you cannot get it into your thick head that, WORLD STATISTICS ARE MUCH MORE RELIABLE THAN YOUR OPINIONS Taxes mean nothing, electrical goods are cheaper in Dubai than in America but that doesn't make the quality of life a subject for comparison.
You are not educated, or your family are villagers... one or the other. I cannot bother with such stupidity.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Dec 4, 2010 17:23:20 GMT -5
You are soo rude to me b/c I won't accept your beliefs. Why don't you behave respectful, instead of trying to pick on me with your lies! This is a good example for my last comment. I don't have beliefs I see statistics and data from real analysts. You cannot see nor comprehend anything that is real facts. You are a dreamer. It is not my beliefs they are facts, and accept it or not, anybody else reading this forum should have some real information rather then your bullc.rap. Which lies are you talking about?, my goodness, you are nuts!!
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Dec 5, 2010 6:25:44 GMT -5
Topic locked as its going no where.
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