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Post by odel on Nov 29, 2010 15:04:34 GMT -5
Actually I have Doesn't prove anything though. Your example was a bad one I think. Shejtani's comment was bad too. This is because while I'd think that Germans would have been more liberal about their own daughter seeing as Germans on average are more educated and have more wealth than the average Turk. Especially a Turk that probably came as an immigrant from some poor village. This is not only the average Turk but also the average immigrant I think, most of them come from villages and not from cities. However, while I don't know of any Albanians that have beaten their daughter for marrying someone foreign. I do however know that Albanian families usually don't like having foreigners marry into their families. This is especially if their family member who is getting married to a foreigner is a female. I have been told not to marry anyone foreign countless times even by non-family members. Personally, I don't care as to be honest I don't like Albanian women too much I prefer the Norwegian ones more. However, if I ever were to have children they would have been taught to be Albanian. People from Eskisehir are very modern, people from the villages behave the very same way that you have described in the big cities.... People must learn to differentiate where these people are coming from.[/quote] I'm not gonna give you a lesson on how Turks from the villages and cities are, but I will tell you that the difference between the average villager and the average citizen of a city is quite large. Usually villagers are more religious, conservative and backwards generally. Also I'd like to adress the statement that "Germans are an extremely racist people because it's in their blood" which is quite racist towards Germans. And it's not unusual for foreigners to be quite racist towards the people of the host country they live in. Among some of them "potato" is an offense not some but many immigrants use towards Norwegians. As for the integration of immigrants, usually when there's a small number of immigrants from the same country they usually integrate very well. While the ones who live in the neighbourhoods that are filled with Pakistani people only for example usually don't become that integrated.
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Post by wbb on Nov 29, 2010 22:42:35 GMT -5
Let me tell u something Odel. Instead of winging about Turkish immigrants living in Germany, maybe u should think twice about the German immigrants and colonist living in Hungary. If u think that the German garbage expansionist got the right to stay in Hungary then i think the Turks got their right to stay in Germany and Austria as well, otherwise i also believe that those German expansionist should leave Hungary and go back to their chithole mustard country. So we are even here, if 1 Turk gonna be touched in Germany, we will touch 50 of u German expansionist in Hungary. We can do that since Hungary belong to the Hungarians not the Germans.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Nov 30, 2010 15:07:20 GMT -5
Odel I made that comment using sheetanis logic... Ie being stupid... it is not what I actually think.
I haven't any interest in Albanians intermixing or not I know of many Albanians and Turks that are mixed... and may Arnavuts that live in Turkey quite happily.
I was the person pointing out the difference between city people and villagers... so please don't try to educate me on that subject.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Nov 30, 2010 15:13:18 GMT -5
Thracian I have been to America I have seen for myself.
I also know many Americans and have family living there.
Americans are one of the most racist nations on the earth. We hear about government persecution of immigrants, black people, homosexuals, muslims etc etc... The Country that invaded Iraq and killed so many people is tolerant of Iraqi's... yea sure...
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Post by thracian08 on Nov 30, 2010 19:15:09 GMT -5
compared to Europe it's way advanced.
Yeah it is actually very tolerant.
Foreign policy is another thing - the laws here and rights given to ppl are another.
That's why all the gays live in SF b/c we are so intolerant??
That's why you cannot dicriminate ppl by law under employment due to relgiion national origin, and sexual orientation.
You are soooo wrong DY.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Nov 30, 2010 21:26:43 GMT -5
I agree with Thracian on this one. I have been to America a few times now and I would agree that average people are generally more tolerant and open to foreigners and immigrants than Europe is. USA ,Foreign Policy behaviour is a completly different issue. my experience of America is that its a country of great contradictions , there are the negative things everyone hears about but there a lot of great and positive things too. compared to Europe it's way advanced. Yeah it is actually very tolerant. Foreign policy is another thing - the laws here and rights given to ppl are another. That's why all the gays live in SF b/c we are so intolerant?? That's why you cannot dicriminate ppl by law under employment due to relgiion national origin, and sexual orientation. You are soooo wrong DY.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Dec 1, 2010 12:59:52 GMT -5
compared to Europe it's way advanced. Yeah it is actually very tolerant. Foreign policy is another thing - the laws here and rights given to ppl are another. That's why all the gays live in SF b/c we are so intolerant?? That's why you cannot dicriminate ppl by law under employment due to relgiion national origin, and sexual orientation. You are soooo wrong DY. Compared to Europe it is not more tolerant. The examples you give are very immature... I have been to SF and so what? Those laws are all in Europe too..... EU laws. how can you say that the USA is more tolerant... ? please clarify?
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Dec 1, 2010 13:04:40 GMT -5
Lets compare:
Healthcare - In the United States it is common for a hospital to refuse to treat a critically ill patient if they are not insured or are not US citizens. In Europe such a concept is considered ancient and uncivilised. In the US, doctors sometimes refuse to treat or prescribe the right options to a patient if the doctor’s religious beliefs go against what is medically best for the patient. It happens most often in cases of abortion, birth control and treating homosexuals where the doctors’ medical ethics conflict with their religious beliefs. Such an act in Europe would lead to cancellation of a doctor’s license to practice for violation of the Hippocratic Oath.
Students
Students are often immersed on a lifelong burden of debt or get wiped out of all savings for an average college degree which costs a fraction in European countries or is free as in case of countries like Germany.
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Media and News - The media in United States is very short sighted and excludes the rest of the world which it considers as an amusement park. The political and cultural news about the world is often negatively biased from an American point of view to suit ‘Americanised’ tastes. Sex and sexuality is either commoditised in an obsessively unhealthy way or vilified, making it to look as a dirty and evil act. In contrast, political and cultural news in European media is much more worldly and inclusive. News media tend to present facts rather than biased opinions; sex and sexuality is shown in a positive and healthy light as compared to the US.
THEY ARE CONTROLLING PEOPLES MINDS....
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Post by thracian08 on Dec 1, 2010 13:23:37 GMT -5
Why are my example immature?? They are specific examples addressing specific people. I live in SF, and I know what I'm talking about.
Wrong DY - if you are uninsured you have Medi-Cal for free healthcare for the poor. or you can always go to the County Hospital. No one denies care in the USA. You can even go and have a kid in the USA from Turkey with no insurance for free. I know someone that did this actually to get citizenship for their kid.
Students in California pay tuition of $4,000 for a State Univ per year. How much do British students pay per year?
In Europe, the free tuition thing I'm sure that will be changing, as the EU is collapsing and is running out of money trying to subsidize free this and free that. It will no longer work.
Anways, these topics have nothing to do with advancement of the mind.
The rules and laws and how people view YOU is much more advanced ie. Mentality. They don't judge you on where you're from or what ethnicity you are, they judge you as an individual, not a collective. In Europe, it's the opposite. You are immediately judged based on your background, discriminated overtly in your face.
You can sue for vitually anything in the USA. I don't believe so in Europe. The fact that you can do so shows you have more rights automatically.
of course the media is controlled by a certain ethnnic group in USA, i won't say here. But so is Europe.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Dec 2, 2010 15:39:11 GMT -5
Why are my example immature?? They are specific examples addressing specific people. I live in SF, and I know what I'm talking about. Wrong DY - if you are uninsured you have Medi-Cal for free healthcare for the poor. or you can always go to the County Hospital. No one denies care in the USA. You can even go and have a kid in the USA from Turkey with no insurance for free. I know someone that did this actually to get citizenship for their kid. Students in California pay tuition of $4,000 for a State Univ per year. How much do British students pay per year? In Europe, the free tuition thing I'm sure that will be changing, as the EU is collapsing and is running out of money trying to subsidize free this and free that. It will no longer work. Anways, these topics have nothing to do with advancement of the mind. The rules and laws and how people view YOU is much more advanced ie. Mentality. They don't judge you on where you're from or what ethnicity you are, they judge you as an individual, not a collective. In Europe, it's the opposite. You are immediately judged based on your background, discriminated overtly in your face. You can sue for vitually anything in the USA. I don't believe so in Europe. The fact that you can do so shows you have more rights automatically. of course the media is controlled by a certain ethnnic group in USA, i won't say here. But so is Europe. Actually the rights of people also concern health care and education, amongst the other things mentioned. The freedom to access healthcare for immigrants and those that you decide to class as 'poor' (which isn't very politically correct by the way). I am concerned only with the healthcare available to the immigrants from the every welcoming USA. For example why did Victor Arellano die? can you tell me what you know about his case? Also do you know what healthcare is available to immigrants and more importantly DO HOSPITALS HAVE THE RIGHT TO TURN AWAY NON US CITIZENS? The answer to the last question is yes, don't tell me USA is immigrant friendly when hospitals have such demeaning rights over sick people. YOU are NEVER turned away in the UK as part of the EU. British students can study from free very little to a high amount based on their parents income. British students aren't the issue though. The issue is Education for immigrants, I mean what are the percentages of Mexicans achieving degree's or phd's? I ask you to find out, because I already know... and its a sad sad figure.... please educate yourself about this. Also this is how the USA treats immigrants: www.economist.com/node/17581874Its disgusting. This would never happen in the EU
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Dec 2, 2010 15:42:17 GMT -5
One of the reasons that Europeans don't sue as the Americans do is, because our rights are already protected anyway.... we don't need to sue. Americans are still fighting for their rights
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Post by thracian08 on Dec 2, 2010 16:23:04 GMT -5
nope, we sue because we want more than our rights ! That's why there's malpractice insurance in USA for Doctor's. If they screw up, you sue them! I work in a company as such
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Dec 3, 2010 5:00:24 GMT -5
America is the laughing stock of the world with all their silly lawsuits, a bunch of people wasting time on suing each other.
As I already mentioned in my post previous to the last one before this, America certainly doesn't give immigrants more rights than the EU.
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Post by thracian08 on Dec 3, 2010 17:09:15 GMT -5
There are a lot of lawsuits in the USA, but at the same time its good b/c for example in Turkey you cannot sue someone or it's very hard, or it takes years & years and years to get your lawsuit even, therefore ppl hire ppl like bad guys to beat up ppl to get back at them. It's horrible.
Are you joking? The entire Silicon valley is full of immigrant,s California has so many illegal Mexicans all working in restaurants - everyone knows it, however police cannot arrest them and do not - it's illegal. In the USA, we do not have ID cards.
They sure have a lot of rights ....
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Post by thracian08 on Dec 3, 2010 17:19:01 GMT -5
Not to mention, the EU has much higher taxes on ppl's income, that's why the standard of living in the USA is higher than most EU countries.
USA is full of immigrants, from all around the world - and a lot are educated folks - unlike Europe. That's why USA was so successful b/c it allows ppl to work who are foreigners much more easily - brain drain from other countries occur here.
Germany even started considering this recently b/c all the workers they have are mostly working class folks.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Dec 3, 2010 18:32:37 GMT -5
OK look, I guess you don't really have much knowledge about whether the EU or the USA has more immigrants. Here are some stats: The International Organization for Migration (IOM) said there are more than 200 million migrants around the world today. Europe hosted the largest number of immigrants, with 70.6 million people in 2005, the latest year for which figures are available. North America, with over 45.1 million immigrants, is second. So that blows away your opinion as you didn't have any basis for your statement, I helped you to clarify it. USA doesn't have ID cards? no but they have a green card don't they? and are all immigrants given leave to stay (do you know what this is?) or can immigrants stay forever? Or do you SHOOT IMMIGRANTS that try to cross the border? The USA is abusing educated immigrants, which works for those that need it, whereas in the EU we don't actually differentiate between educated or not, we open our doors to ALL immigrants to give them a better life. Tax's have nothing to do with Immigrants. until they become legalized. In addition your logic is so odd, you have a better quality of life because of lower taxes? can you please go and study business studies of something before you try to talk about these types of subjects. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-of-life_indexThis is the Quality of Life index, unlike your simple little theory, it takes into consideration many factors such as: as you can the top ten doesn't even include the USA. You really are living in a bubble. The subject is in regards to immigrants. Point 1: The USA doesn't offer better facilities to immigrants. Point 2: There are more immigrants in the EU Point 3: I don't know what your specialism is but we did learn its certainly neither immigration, nor religion. Thanks again.
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Post by thracian08 on Dec 3, 2010 19:32:14 GMT -5
The population of EU is greater than USA : 500 Million versus 310 Million. YOu need to compare apples to apples not to oranges.
Secondy, you think I wouldn't know what a green card is when my husband has one ::!!! You are soo funny DY !
There is no ID card, a cop doesn't ask for one here, you are not harrased by the police b/c of that, it's actually illegal.
I am talking about quality of life - life in USA is cheap, why? b/c taxes are low, that's why!
In Europe - everything is so expensive. You cannot even compare.
Immigrants that cross the border aren't shot at ? WTF?
Point # 1: USA allows the bright minded immigrants to come and work in the USA. Europe doesn't. USA also takes in refugees as well, both contribute to the economy.
Point # 2: your point # 2 isn't valid as I indicated above.
Point #3: you have no idea about Islam, nor you do not know about economy.
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Post by thracian08 on Dec 3, 2010 19:34:21 GMT -5
In Europe, you are kicked out, don't you remember what happened to the Roma in France recently?
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Post by thracian08 on Dec 3, 2010 19:35:39 GMT -5
My cousin worked under the table here and cops would see him, but they cannot ask for your papers in the USA - it's illegal.
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Post by thracian08 on Dec 3, 2010 19:36:57 GMT -5
of course you have to have a green card or be given a work visa to stay here. but there sure a lot of Mexicans that still live here regardless of the law & everyone knows it the gov't knows it.
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