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Post by Kastorianos on Dec 20, 2010 19:51:10 GMT -5
because they havent come in contact with you...
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 20, 2010 19:59:56 GMT -5
You know I am right..... Italians are not Romans.... they shed their pass.... besides the peninsula was runned over by Franks and Goths... Don't you think they would have called themselves Romans.... or you guys Illyrians....
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Post by rex362 on Dec 20, 2010 20:03:26 GMT -5
this is how you recognize your great arvanitis heroes ...
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Post by rex362 on Dec 20, 2010 20:05:59 GMT -5
You know I am right..... Italians are not Romans.... they shed their pass.... besides the peninsula was runned over by Franks and Goths... Don't you think they would have called themselves Romans.... or you guys Illyrians.... yourself overun by slavs and albs then you today are amazingly philosophers and of the ancient
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Post by rex362 on Dec 20, 2010 20:13:33 GMT -5
careful now you Philosophers or I will send Barba-Giorgos and Veligegkas to come into your dreams both Arvanitis
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Post by rex362 on Dec 20, 2010 20:30:01 GMT -5
We will not allow you philosophers to hold us and are kin as separated hostages over politics and religion
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 20, 2010 20:35:58 GMT -5
Too late we own you..... We threw out the Slavs they have their own country.... where are the Goths and Franks? You make this so easy .... and rightly so... it's not your fault that you can't go back pass 1250... come on now.... let me pad you on top of the head and make you feel better.
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Post by greekscandal on Dec 20, 2010 20:58:27 GMT -5
Unfortunately modern Greece is not respecting ethnic or linguistic diversity continually at all! Arvaniti were the first victims of the Greek nationalism. Many Arvaniti people were hanged at Spetses and Ydra island because of their mother Arvanitika tongue after 1830...The last victims are Chams people at 1945, pure "ethnic cleansing"...in West Greece. Today, mostly Arvaniti people are totally assimilated. Its almost impossible to express Arvaniti or Albanian identity
regards
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Post by greekscandal on Dec 20, 2010 21:08:11 GMT -5
Educational policies played a chief role in the assimilation and the suppression of the practice of Arvanitika from native speakers. Official authorities also played a role through "subliminal hindrance" for the eradication of a language spoken for at least seven centuries. Below we are publishing some excerpts where direct and indirect pressures and "guidance" from authorities led not only to the termination of Arvanitika language but also to the impediment of Arvanitika scholarship.*
"People told me that they were scared of reprisals on the part of authorities but also ashamed of still speaking "this bastardized language" I was once even reported to the police by the son of one of my informants but was set free after a few hours when the superior officers confirmed by telephone from Athens that my activities were entirely harmless and tolerated by official institutions." (This has occurred way too often with various foreign and local scholars, researchers and anthropologists.)
"A male informant from a village in Andros born in 1899 reported in an interview that his father had placed a big knife on a board above the entrance door, threatening his children that he would cut their tongue if he caught them speaking Arvanitika again.
Another speaker from a Corinthian village, likewise born around 1900, recalled having been beaten repeatedly for speaking Arvanitika with his sisters in the courtyard. Similar anecdotal evidence emerges from tape recorded biographies of very old speakers from Attica, taped in the late 1960's and early 1970's. Those who were not prevented from speaking Arvanitika by their parents were severely punished and ridiculed in school.
A conversation recorded in 1969 between a (not extremely well educated) monolingual Greek from Athens and an Arvanite peasant:
Monolingual Greek: "Shame on you for still speaking Arvanitika"
Peasant: "But we are Arvanites, aren't we? All of our ancestors have been Arvanites and have been speaking Arvanitika"
Monolingual Greek: "But you live in Greece here, don't you? If you want to speak Arvanitika go to Tirana. In this country people speak Greek."
Peasant: "But I'm Greek like you!"
Monolingual Greek: Then stop speaking that ugly jargon."
In 1969 there were definitely no Arvanites from Tirana. Twenty years later however, the story changes as Arvanites could not relate economically and politically to the incoming Albanian refugees. The only cultural and linguistic commonalities that existed were invalidated by strong and convincing media images that depicted these refugees as barbarous and criminal. However, we are not talking about Arvanites as refugees, we are referring to Arvanites Greek citizens.
Regardless of their chronology, these examples can certainly be applied to other minority language speakers, but Arvanitika is a key example since it represents a significant portion of the modern Greek population.
To date there are no Arvanitika schools operating in Greece (October 2010).
Source:
H.J.Sasse - Small languages and small language communities in Int'l J.Soc.Lang 1998.
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Post by mansterofsouli on Dec 20, 2010 23:09:20 GMT -5
^^^ Children say the craziest things. That was all bullshit, now grow up.
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Post by tsompanos on Dec 21, 2010 12:58:06 GMT -5
opa ! Ti ie ljoulea e malit ti ie ljoulea e avlis bukuria e sstepise ea te vemi ne sstepi iot em it at u ede ti ...ea te vemi atie ce do isste nie loule tse te do ne parathure ce vezdon isst aio loulia tse kendon Ne trapez let vei it ate ti iot eme ede it ate te te ver te te martoine po ce diale te kerkoine me kerkoi aio ioteme nde stepi te vi ou preme hape nani derene ne ta pime verene ate verene papare hape nani moi manare moi e bukura katare.......... Saddam Hussein singing arvanitika
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Post by rex362 on Dec 21, 2010 15:53:52 GMT -5
you have many sadam look-alikes ...
anyways ....OP !
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 21, 2010 15:56:49 GMT -5
you have many sadam look-alikes ... anyways ....OP ! btw the music played on this video has nothing to do with Arvanites... its epirotiki...
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Post by rex362 on Dec 21, 2010 16:10:29 GMT -5
epirotika music =Albanian music
its music to my ears ....
btw go find some 1920's 1930's Iperotika Albums from Greece and see the names on who the players are
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Post by atdhetari on Dec 21, 2010 16:49:04 GMT -5
opa ! Ti ie ljoulea e malit ti ie ljoulea e avlis bukuria e sstepise ea te vemi ne sstepi iot em it at u ede ti ...ea te vemi atie ce do isste nie loule tse te do ne parathure ce vezdon isst aio loulia tse kendon Ne trapez let vei it ate ti iot eme ede it ate te te ver te te martoine po ce diale te kerkoine me kerkoi aio ioteme nde stepi te vi ou preme hape nani derene ne ta pime verene ate verene papare hape nani moi manare moi e bukura katare.......... Saddam Hussein singing arvanitika this sh!t is sad, it really sounds like some kurdish carpet salesman is butchering an arvanite classic
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Post by zoti on Dec 21, 2010 18:41:11 GMT -5
Man I can't believe we lost half of Albania to these mongrels. Inshallah one day Epiri will go back to its rightful owners. "All your base are belong to us!!!"
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 21, 2010 19:57:08 GMT -5
Hey Zoti is back.... Ishallah !!! ;D
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Post by zoti on Dec 22, 2010 10:23:30 GMT -5
Hey Zoti is back.... Ishallah !!! ;D I have come back to reclaim my lands Also I have my eyes on "Mont Royal" in Montreal, that's one awesome area. Too bad not many Albanians in Montreal to make it possible right now
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Post by rex362 on Dec 22, 2010 14:34:25 GMT -5
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Post by rex362 on Dec 22, 2010 16:38:04 GMT -5
Patrinos ....whats going on here besides the problems of Keratea and their landfill riot problems ....oh and my vote goes for the people give us a fast paragraph explanation on what he said about Arvanitis [youtube] ! [/youtube]
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