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Post by donnie on Jan 8, 2011 7:18:26 GMT -5
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 10, 2011 7:45:05 GMT -5
Dude, do you really understand the math terms in the paper? (std deviation, variance, various distribution models, etc)? I thought math is not your strongest point.
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Post by ivo on Jan 10, 2011 9:28:19 GMT -5
Gyrro, you have difficulty understanding simple everyday terminology and now you're talking about standard deviation and what not!?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 10, 2011 10:15:49 GMT -5
Gyrro, you have difficulty understanding simple everyday terminology and now you're talking about standard deviation and what not!? Come on lilly hypocrite, you know that Comp. Science is my major. Shut the funk up if you do not have anything to say.... BTW, solve this if your Tatar head can deal with it : 2 3 4 15 12 3 4 5 28 20 4 5 6 45 30 5 6 7 66 42 6 7 8 ? 56 If you can find the value of ?, you can considered a little better than normal average Joe. If not, you are a certified idiot. Come on Aziz, lets see you try!! (i solved it in less than 2 minutes, including the whole formal correct formula)
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Post by ljubotan on Jan 10, 2011 10:37:23 GMT -5
I normally go to a Serbian church here in Chicago, where majority of the parish diaspora are Bosnian and Krajina Serbs with a bit of Serbians a far less CG Serbs. Anyways, I'm 6'2 and I can tell you I'm below avg when I walk into that cathedral! These Serb men are very tall and I'd go as far as placing their avg height at 6'3.
Last Friday I was at work and couldn't drive off to the church I normally attend, so instead I attended for the first time here a Macedonian church not too far away. Okay, I was like the tallest (others there as well my height), but overall these macedonians were very short, fat (women especially and young) and have absolutely no manners in church. It's the typical thing I've seen in any Macedonian church I've been to here in the U.S.
My point, there is nothing Serbian about Macedonians as a whole!!! From physical to behavior (w/out opening their mouths) there is NO Serbian character, other than us who're up in the northern part. The Bulgarians I've seen here look much much closer to Serbians than the latter.
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Post by Patrinos on Jan 10, 2011 11:04:01 GMT -5
Gyrro, you have difficulty understanding simple everyday terminology and now you're talking about standard deviation and what not!? Come on lilly hypocrite, you know that Comp. Science is my major. Shut the funk up if you do not have anything to say.... BTW, solve this if your Tatar head can deal with it : 2 3 4 15 12 3 4 5 28 20 4 5 6 45 30 5 6 7 66 42 6 7 8 ? 56 If you can find the value of ?, you can considered a little better than normal average Joe. If not, you are a certified idiot. Come on Aziz, lets see you try!! (i solved it in less than 2 minutes, including the whole formal correct formula) its 91... easy one...+4. +13,+17,+21,+25 .... and the other part of numbers 12,20,30,42,56 comes from the fuction(synartisi)=second number*third number...3*4, 4*5, 5*6, 6*7, 7*8...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 10, 2011 11:20:48 GMT -5
Hmmm, alright nice trick with +4, but very simplistic. How about if i ask you the name of the value after lets say the 1000th iteration of the above sequence? Would you go in the same +29, +33 way?
PS Now that you found the answer of ?, that makes the life of the Tatar harder, since he must show up with an other solution. ;D
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Post by ulf on Jan 10, 2011 12:04:45 GMT -5
lol... Why should he consider himself dumb if he doesn't know statistics? Its not like you need this to work in butcher shop or as manager or some other standard profession
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Post by ivo on Jan 10, 2011 13:41:31 GMT -5
I agree with your observation Ljubotan, though from what I've seen Macedonians and Bulgarians look the same.
Gyrro, I don't take your posts personally. I could care less about what you think of me for I've already made myself clear.. to me, you and Pazar are ignorant lowlifes for whom I have no respect whatsoever. Is it that difficult for you to understand that? I think the terminology is relatively simple, even for someone like you.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 11, 2011 3:09:14 GMT -5
I knew Aziz is a complete imbecile!!!! Anyway Patrine, did you find the solution of the 1000th permutation of the sequence? Life is not only about practice in simple small problems. Big projects involve theory as well. How would you solve this problem?
@ulf
The article that the Pokemon started has its core value in stats, that's why i asked where he/she stands on this. Its obvious, that he has an agenda, so i prefer attacking him on the basis of his argument. Simple.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 11, 2011 3:40:07 GMT -5
I normally go to a Serbian church here in Chicago, where majority of the parish diaspora are Bosnian and Krajina Serbs with a bit of Serbians a far less CG Serbs. Anyways, I'm 6'2 and I can tell you I'm below avg when I walk into that cathedral! These Serb men are very tall and I'd go as far as placing their avg height at 6'3. Last Friday I was at work and couldn't drive off to the church I normally attend, so instead I attended for the first time here a Macedonian church not too far away. Okay, I was like the tallest (others there as well my height), but overall these macedonians were very short, fat (women especially and young) and have absolutely no manners in church. It's the typical thing I've seen in any Macedonian church I've been to here in the U.S. My point, there is nothing Serbian about Macedonians as a whole!!! From physical to behavior (w/out opening their mouths) there is NO Serbian character, other than us who're up in the northern part. The Bulgarians I've seen here look much much closer to Serbians than the latter. Hi Ljubo, still waiting for that info i told you. (i haven't forgotten). Now regarding Bosnian/Krajna Serbs, you can find many huge among them, but i still believe that Croats from Posavina and Serbs/Muslims/Croats from Hercegovina and Serbs from Crna Gora are even taller and/or blonder than them. I have been in muslim super markets in Brcko (e.g. Bingo) , and the people are blonde and huge. I have been in strict Serbian super markets in Brcko (e.g. Tropic, renamed as Maxi, then renamed again...), and the people are darker and shorter (but many are very tall, but still not on par with the muslims on average). Now Sumadija, south Serbia, even Vojvodina is another story. In Novi Sad you see a lot of normal people, but then you enter a public closed place like the police station, and they are many ppl above 200cm. In Nis you find a lot of dark people, a lot of medium sized people, but then you will see a giant above 210cm, but nothing like BiH/CG. In Bulgaria (Sofia) first time a got the impression they are of Serbian size (Srbianci), the second time they seemed almost of greek type. In greece (athens) the average height is rather high (i think somewhere in 180cm-185cm) but also the standard deviation is small, so you dont see many people above 195. But also its about nutrition. Greeks before 50 years were 10-20 cm shorter. Now talking about USA i think people born there, look just like normal americans. Just judging from the greeks there. Very interesting what you said about manners-discipline inside the church. Very very interesting staff. Greeks are the same. Almost 100% with what you describe. (and albanians act the same, or even worse than that). However i still believe you (Makedonians) are just better in your souls/music/kindness. (and i can only attribute that to some Slavic (Serbian-Bulgarian) genes), because if you were 100% Vlahs/Thracians you would resemble Greeks (Vlahs) even more. PS To avoid any misinterpretations, when i say Greeks in the above context, i mean people from mainland Greece, not Cretans/Cypriots (who are both purest Greeks and much better in manners/civilization/language/etc... and who never spoke a vlah or albanian word in their life)
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Post by Patrinos on Jan 11, 2011 4:52:05 GMT -5
i'm not a mathematician...I just did it empirically... ps. malaka, which are the "Makedonians" that you write? The Skopjanci?
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Post by ioan on Jan 11, 2011 5:06:32 GMT -5
I have one question. Why Margaret M. Hasluck and G. M. Morant when talking about Macedonian men include 6 different groups in the study: Greeks, Vlachs, Christian Bulgars, Mohamedan Bulgars, Turks and Mohamedan Greeks? Where are the presentday Macedonians? Were they unnoticed back in 1929? Why are the slavs in Macedonia called Bulgars and not Serbs? I guess we all know the answer.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 11, 2011 5:08:02 GMT -5
5% of BuLgari look like Central Asian Kirgiz people, so whats your take on this.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 11, 2011 5:12:14 GMT -5
"Why are the slavs in Macedonia called Bulgars and not Serbs?" I really wonder why Ioan? ?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 11, 2011 5:19:50 GMT -5
i'm not a mathematician...I just did it empirically... ps. malaka, which are the "Makedonians" that you write? The Skopjanci? You are clever for an uneducated piece of sh1t that you are. But your limits are known. I have stated many times that inside you (and inside every greek) live two personas : one albanian and one greek. The time we become all greek, this time we will prevail in the balkans. Currently the albanian half wins (by a large margin). PS Yes by "Makedonians" i mean all people of Makedonia. ("Skopijanci", "Tetovci", "Kumanovci", included).
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 11, 2011 5:22:10 GMT -5
I have one question. Why Margaret M. Hasluck and G. M. Morant when talking about Macedonian men include 6 different groups in the study: Greeks, Vlachs, Christian Bulgars, Mohamedan Bulgars, Turks and Mohamedan Greeks? Where are the presentday Macedonians? Were they unnoticed back in 1929? Why are the slavs in Macedonia called Bulgars and not Serbs? I guess we all know the answer. Bulgarians are closer to Serbs than Makedonians.
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Post by Nikola on Jan 11, 2011 5:25:06 GMT -5
Bulgarians are closer to Serbs than Makedonians. Lol, I think some heads are about to explode to that statement. Here we have Serbs and Bulgarians arguing about who Macedonians are more like, when in fact, Serbs and Bulgarians might just be more like one another than we are to either of them. You know, you and Ljubotan are probably right.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 11, 2011 5:42:05 GMT -5
Bro, lately i dropped this pro-south-serbian mania. It doesn't matter. And what Serbs-Slavs from there and elsewhere say is more important than what i say.
The Slavic history of Makedonia is a huge study by its own, and cannot be simplistically dealt using the official sources about Serbian or Bulgarian kingdoms.
A huge slavic sea existed in the balkan penisula, before any Serbian or Bulgarian kingdom emerge.
This is the real puzzle for me. Who were those slavs? What was their connection with the later Serbian-Bulgarian kingdoms?
Anyways, i still believe those slavs were closer to Serbs. The SURNAMES of MANY modern Greeks (Bozikis, Abdicos, Dogoritis, Gotovos, Terovitsas, Strelitsas, Decikas, Sundris, Babitsas, etc...) attest to that.... All those names are not from Corfu, or any recent interactions with Serbs.
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Post by ivo on Jan 11, 2011 11:03:50 GMT -5
As I've already stated, it is really irrelevant what any of us think personally. The important thing to remember is that practically all sources (including earlier Serbian ones) have confirmed the Bulgarian character of Macedonia in the past. The Macedonian identity is new, and up until some 50-60 years ago it was nothing more but a regional identity.. NOT an ethnic one.
Anyway, these conclusions are no secret. These sources are widely available. And in addition to them, there are plenty of other physical facts that support them. Nearly 1/4 of Bulgarians have originated from Macedonia or have some relative that has come from Macedonia.
Regarding a Bulgarian-Serbian comparison, I think it would be more accurate to compare Bulgarians and Torlaks, rather then Bulgarians and Serbs in general. I think there are many more similarities between Bulgarians and Torlaks vs. Bulgarians and Serbs in general.
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