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Post by donnie on Jan 12, 2011 12:27:34 GMT -5
Bozikis is an arvanitic surname, and its recorded among the Arvanites Stradioti in 15th century. If it is slavic in origin is another issue, the fact is that is used by arvanites. Dogoritis, very slavic suffix... how many slavs do you know with surnames ending in -itis... Soundris...? and whats the point of finding 5-10...100 surnames with slavic origin? the majority of Greeks' surnames are of greek origin... the number of those who bear the surname Papadopoulos is much more from the Terovitsas, Detsikas, and Babitsas etc all together... Bozikis is for sure slavic, like 100%, Boze is vocative for Bog, meaning God It's recently been proven Albanians have more Slavic DNA than the Serbs, so this sort of thing is natural i guess. No idiot, we don't. If by "Slavic" genes (there's no such thing btw) you're referring to R1a, it's not exclusively Slavic. But even if we suppose it is so, that all Balkanians that carry R1a are originally "Slavs", we don't have it in a higher frequency than Serbs. Serbs have it at around 16 per cent, as opposed to Albanians who have it at around 9 per cent (in Kosova it runs as low as 4 per cent), about the same as frequency as the Greeks (11 per cent). Nice try though. Patrinos wrote; It's not of Slavic origins. Bouziki, which we write Buziqi, is just a variant of similiar sounding names, e.g. Buza, Buzo, Buzuku, Buzi (Tafil Buzi was a famous rebel in the first half of the 19th century from Tepelena) etc. It doesn't even sound like the Serbian vocative for Bog, namely Boze, which we'd write as 'Bozhe' (we have the sound and there would be little reason to alter it as Buzi). The etymological meaning comes probably from buzë 'lip' like Buzuku 'wolf lip'. This isn't surprising since many of the early names relate to body parts, like Koka, Veshi, Floku, Shpina etc. It could also be that they all descend from the town Buzi in Tepelena and got their surname from there. The word also has the meaning of a 'verge', or 'edge', a topographic term that was used for place-names of villages or towns at the edge of smth, e.g. a river.
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Post by odel on Jan 12, 2011 13:19:00 GMT -5
Bozikis is for sure slavic, like 100%, Boze is vocative for Bog, meaning God It's recently been proven Albanians have more Slavic DNA than the Serbs, so this sort of thing is natural i guess. No idiot, we don't. If by "Slavic" genes (there's no such thing btw) you're referring to R1a, it's not exclusively Slavic. But even if we suppose it is so, that all Balkanians that carry R1a are originally "Slavs", we don't have it in a higher frequency than Serbs. Serbs have it at around 16 per cent, as opposed to Albanians who have it at around 9 per cent (in Kosova it runs as low as 4 per cent), about the same as frequency as the Greeks (11 per cent). Nice try though. Patrinos wrote; It's not of Slavic origins. Bouziki, which we write Buziqi, is just a variant of similiar sounding names, e.g. Buza, Buzo, Buzuku, Buzi (Tafil Buzi was a famous rebel in the first half of the 19th century from Tepelena) etc. It doesn't even sound like the Serbian vocative for Bog, namely Boze, which we'd write as 'Bozhe' (we have the sound and there would be little reason to alter it as Buzi). The etymological meaning comes probably from buzë 'lip' like Buzuku 'wolf lip'. This isn't surprising since many of the early names relate to body parts, like Koka, Veshi, Floku, Shpina etc. It could also be that they all descend from the town Buzi in Tepelena and got their surname from there. The word also has the meaning of a 'verge', or 'edge', a topographic term that was used for place-names of villages or towns at the edge of smth, e.g. a river. There's also Gjon Buzuku, the man who wrote the first printed book in Albanian.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 12, 2011 15:44:04 GMT -5
R1a is the Eurasian haplogroup most scientists agree to be "Slavic"... Donkey, it's 9.5% in Albanians, 7% amongst Montenegrins...you're genetically bigger Slavs than us. Kosovo is mainly albanized Serbs & much more of a mixture ethnically than Albania is
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jan 12, 2011 18:00:40 GMT -5
R1a is the Eurasian haplogroup most scientists agree to be "Slavic"... Donkey, it's 9.5% in Albanians, 7% amongst Montenegrins...you're genetically bigger Slavs than us. Kosovo is mainly albanized Serbs & much more of a mixture ethnically than Albania is Could very well be true.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 12, 2011 19:28:48 GMT -5
Donnie buzuku didn't become bozikis, sorry try again
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 12, 2011 21:58:47 GMT -5
"bahhahaha this thread is truly comical"
Yes, when the barbaric turanids arrive, everything in their way is minced. We have the turkic trio saying the same old crap: (simple buLgarski, brainwashed turks, 95% independant sources etc...).
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 12, 2011 22:03:04 GMT -5
"It's not of Slavic origins. Bouziki, which we write Buziqi"
Funny, you Albs use the *iqi* suffix as a replacement of *ich* in kosovo, example, Krasnich = Krasniqi.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 12, 2011 22:15:40 GMT -5
"The Slavic history of Makedonia is a huge study by its own, and cannot be simplistically dealt using the official sources about Serbian or Bulgarian kingdoms."
The slavic history of vardar and to a degree of nth greece is really complicated. Isn't it stupid Pyrro, how the western idiots fell so easily to simple BuLgarski propaganda, it just shows that they arn't so bright.....in this experience of learning about the south balkan slavs, l have lost complete respect for western academia.
"A huge slavic sea existed in the balkan penisula, before any Serbian or Bulgarian kingdom emerge."
Pyrro, slavs inhabited present day serbia, bosnia, albania, vardar, buLgarska before related slavic tribes arrived (serbs, croats and slovenes).
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Post by ioan on Jan 13, 2011 0:41:03 GMT -5
The slavic history of vardar and to a degree of nth greece is really complicated. only for those like you that want to manipulate the sources. or rather they were realistic, while you were brainwashed by serbian propaganda and lost complete respect for western academia, because they were not serbian propaganda influenced. serboi were iranian which means unrelated to slavs.
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Post by ulf on Jan 13, 2011 1:09:16 GMT -5
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Post by donnie on Jan 13, 2011 2:42:32 GMT -5
R1a is the Eurasian haplogroup most scientists agree to be "Slavic"... Donkey, it's 9.5% in Albanians, 7% amongst Montenegrins...you're genetically bigger Slavs than us. Kosovo is mainly albanized Serbs & much more of a mixture ethnically than Albania is No scientist has labeled it "Slavic", perhaps they've said "mostly associated with Slavs", but that's a different thing altogether. LOL, you're such a sleeze. Firstly you say Serbs are less Slavic than Albs and then you retract your words and substitute "Serb" with "Montenegrin" when you found out you're wrong. If you want to compare both nationalities, you cannot pick and choose, you need to take ALL Serbs into account. In that case, you get the number of 16 per cent R1a among Serbs (15.9 per cent to be exact; compare with 34.3 per cent among Croats, 24.6 among Bosniaks & 15.2 per cent among Macedonians). That's more than our 9.8 per cent; we have even less than the Greeks who have some 11 per cent. If you want to compare Montenegro, compare it with Kosova where K. Albs have R1a in a frequency of some 4 per cent. I know you're having an identity crisis ,, but really you can't jump between being Serb and Montenegrin as you see fit. Overall, Serbs have R1a in a higher frequency than Albs and Greeks, though definetely lower when compared with other Slavs. Montenegro counted separately might have a very low frequency of R1a,but then again, we already knew you to be Albs since Coon said so I didn't say that, re-read what i wrote!
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Post by terroreign on Jan 13, 2011 2:59:25 GMT -5
This marker correlates remarkably well with the distribution of Slavic-speakers today.
Either way, how else did it get to you....somehow Serbs get it from Slavs and you....from martians? ;D
No I purposefully meant Serbs, which are what Montenegrins are. Where did I say Serbians?
Albanians are genetically more Slavic than Serb Montenegrins, does that sound better?
Lol why should I compare Kosovo, that place is mostly Montenegrin-Serbian origin anyway. Krasnici, Murici, etc ;D
Ok I will
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Post by terroreign on Jan 13, 2011 3:05:38 GMT -5
Ulf, it's linguistically impossible for "Serdi" to become "Serbi", and "Suebi", like really man? C'mon... Sora means, "the Sky" "Heavenly" in Sanskrit, "Sarva" in Sanskrit means "the world" "of all" "Sarv" in old Persian is a word denoting something holy, "Sarv" today is the Persian word for the Cypress tree, a holy tree to the Zoroastrians...."Surb" in modern Armenian means "Saint", "Sorb" in Persian is the word for "Lead"(which in ancient times was considered a holy, magical material), the connections to Indo-Aryan are endless....
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 13, 2011 4:09:36 GMT -5
1) the deciphering of "Kamena Vourla" hot springs in Roumeli Ore vourlo... don't you understand what "Kamena Vourla" means in Greek? Idiot. Go and find the etymology or the story behind the supposed etymology behind kamena vourla.... You will find smth like.... some said.... vai vai vai ah ah ah ouri haide hajde vai vai vai ta kata-kaimena ta vourla, houi houi houi, vai vai vai... etc.... On the other hand, this is a rock with 3 HOT springs - HOT ROCK - "KAMENA VRELA". In an ocean of slavic toponyms, i wonder why you have a problem with this one particularly. PS There was never any "VOURLO" near kamena vourla idiot. Kamena Vourla is the name of the warm BATHS, not the beach. Also there is no record of BURNING of any such plant (vourlo) near there.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 13, 2011 4:15:17 GMT -5
Donnie buzuku didn't become bozikis, sorry try again C is very often transformed in K from Serbian to Greek. Bozic -> Bozikis Abdic-> Abdikos Stefanovic->Stefanoviki Leskovic->Leskoviki Kurtovic->Kourtovik (a known writer-journalist) So, you are very right to be amused by the unbelievable "creativity" by various people in here.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 13, 2011 4:21:16 GMT -5
Pyrro, slavs inhabited present day serbia, bosnia, albania, vardar, buLgarska before related slavic tribes arrived (serbs, croats and slovenes). AND GREECE, north, south, everywhere. No need to be shy bro!! Remember bro : THE BALKAN PUZZLE IS ONE and ONLY ONE and ATOMIC. If we break it into pieces we are doomed to never solve it. We must always have the whole picture in front of us.
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Post by rusebg on Jan 13, 2011 4:30:07 GMT -5
I doubt very much Kurt is Serbian. Kurt is the other name of Kubrat, the founder of Old Great Bulgaria. Two versions for the meaning of the word - either wolf or blacksmith.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 13, 2011 4:37:27 GMT -5
I doubt very much Kurt is Serbian. Kurt is the other name of Kubrat, the founder of Old Great Bulgaria. Two versions for the meaning of the word - either wolf or blacksmith. Dude Kurt came from Kurt Cobain, American rock musician...are you dense ? ;D RIP Kubrat/Kurt
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Post by rusebg on Jan 13, 2011 4:44:06 GMT -5
Wrong again, Krivo. It came from Kurt Vonnegut. Just as Boris comes from Boris Yeltsin.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 13, 2011 4:52:50 GMT -5
^Ah Vonnegut, now I see the inspiration for your humor.
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