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Post by donnie on Feb 11, 2011 16:28:30 GMT -5
Hosni Mubarak, the Egyptian president, has resigned from his post, handing over power to the armed forces. Omar Suleiman, the vice-president, announced in a televised address that the president was "waiving" his office, and had handed over authority to the Supreme Council of the armed forces. Suleiman's short statement was received with a roar of approval and by celebratory chanting and flag-waving from a crowd of hundreds of thousands in Cairo's Tahrir Square, as well by pro-democracy campaigners who attended protests across the country on Friday. The crowd in Tahrir chanted "We have brought down the regime", while many were seen crying, cheering and embracing one another. Mohamed ElBaradei, an opposition leader, hailed the moment as being the "greatest day of my life", in comments to the Associated Press news agency. "The country has been liberated after decades of repression,'' he said. "Tonight, after all of these weeks of frustration, of violence, of intimidation ... today the people of Egypt undoubtedly [feel they] have been heard, not only by the president, but by people all around the world," our correspondent at Tahrir Square reported, following the announcement. "The sense of euphoria is simply indescribable," our correspondent at Mubarak's Heliopolis presidential palace, where at least ten thousand pro-democracy activists had gathered, said. "I have waited, I have worked all my adult life to see the power of the people come to the fore and show itself. I am speechless." Dina Magdi, a pro-democracy campaigner in Tahrir Square told Al Jazeera. "The moment is not only about Mubarak stepping down, it is also about people's power to bring about the change that no-one ... thought possible." In Alexandria, Egypt's second city, our correspondent described an "explosion of emotion". He said that hundreds of thousands were celebrating in the streets. Pro-democracy activists in the Egyptian capital and elsewhere had earlier marched on presidential palaces, state television buildings and other government installations on Friday, the 18th consecutive day of protests. Anger at state television At the state television building earlier in the day, thousands had blocked people from entering or leaving, accusing the broadcaster of supporting the current government and of not truthfully reporting on the protests. "The military has stood aside and people are flooding through ," Al Jazeera's correspondent at the state television building reported.
He said that "a lot of anger [was] generated" after Mubarak's speech last night, where he repeated his vow to complete his term as president.
'Gaining momentum'
Outside the palace in Heliopolis, where at least ten thousand protesters had gathered in Cairo, another Al Jazeera correspondent reported that there was a strong military presence, but that there was "no indication that the military want[ed] to crack down on protesters".
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She said that army officers had engaged in dialogue with protesters, and that remarks had been largely "friendly".
Tanks and military personnel had been deployed to bolster barricades around the palace.
Our correspondent said the crowd in Heliopolis was "gaining momentum by the moment", and that the crowd had gone into a frenzy when two helicopters were seen in the air around the palace grounds.
"By all accounts this is a highly civilised gathering. people are separated from the palace by merely a barbed wire ... but nobody has even attempted to cross that wire," she said.
As crowds grew outside the palace, Mubarak left Cairo on Friday for the Red Sea resort of Sharm al-Shaikh, according to sources who spoke to Al Jazeera.
In Tahrir Square, hundreds of thousands of protesters gathered, chanting slogans against Mubarak and calling for the military to join them in their demands.
Our correspondent at the square said the "masses" of pro-democracy campaigners there appeared to have "clear resolution" and "bigger resolve" to achieve their goals than ever before.
However, he also said that protesters were "confused by mixed messages" coming from the army, which has at times told them that their demands will be met, yet in communiques and other statements supported Mubarak's staying in power until at least September.
Army statement
In a statement read out on state television at midday on Friday, the military announced that it would lift a 30-year-old emergency law but only "as soon as the current circumstances end".
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The military said it would also guarantee changes to the constitution as well as a free and fair election, and it called for normal business activity to resume.
Al Jazeera's correspondent in Tahrir Square said people there were hugely disappointed with that army statement, and had vowed to take the protests to "a last and final stage".
"They're frustrated, they're angry, and they say protests need to go beyond Liberation [Tahrir] Square, to the doorstep of political institutions," she said.
Protest organisers have called for 20 million people to come out on "Farewell Friday" in a final attempt to force Mubarak to step down.
Alexandria protests
Hossam El Hamalawy, a pro-democracy organiser and member of the Socialist Studies Centre, said protesters were heading towards the presidential palace from multiple directions, calling on the army to side with them and remove Mubarak.
"People are extremely angry after yesterday's speech," he told Al Jazeera. "Anything can happen at the moment. There is self-restraint all over but at the same time I honestly can't tell you what the next step will be ... At this time, we don't trust them [the army commanders] at all."
An Al Jazeera reporter overlooking Tahrir said the side streets leading into the square were filling up with crowds.
"It's an incredible scene. From what I can judge, there are more people here today than yesterday night," she said.
Hundreds of thousands of protesters havehered in the port city of Alexandria [AFP]
"The military has not gone into the square except some top commanders, one asking people to go home ... I don't see any kind of tensions between the people and the army but all of this might change very soon if the army is seen as not being on the side of the people."
Hundreds of thousands were participating in Friday prayers outside a mosque in downtown Alexandria, Egypt's second biggest city.
Thousands of pro-democracy campaigners also gathered outside a presidential palace in Alexandria.
Egyptian television reported that large angry crowds were heading from Giza, adjacent to Cairo, towards Tahrir Square and some would march on the presidential palace.
Protests are also being held in the cities of Mansoura, Mahala, Tanta, Ismailia, and Suez, with thousands in attendance.
Violence was reported in the north Sinai town of el-Arish, where protesters attempted to storm a police station. At least one person was killed, and 20 wounded in that attack, our correspondent said.
Dismay at earlier statement
In a televised address to the nation on Thursday, Mubarak said he was handing "the functions of the president" to Vice-President Omar Suleiman. But the move means he retains his title of president.
Halfway through his much-awaited speech late at night, anticipation turned into anger among protesters camped in Tahrir Square who began taking off their shoes and waving them in the air.
Immediately after Mubarak's speech, Suleiman called on the protesters to "go home" and asked Egyptians to "unite and look to the future."
Union workers have joined the protests over the past few days, effectively crippling transportation and several industries, and dealing a sharper blow to Mubarak’s embattled regime. Source: Al Jazeera and agencies
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Post by rex362 on Feb 11, 2011 16:46:41 GMT -5
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Post by zoti on Feb 11, 2011 18:32:58 GMT -5
Having lived in Tirana when the regime changed in 1990 I can only imagine what the Egyptians must be going through. They must be filled with a sense of elation for Mubarak's fall and trepidation of what's to come. I wish the best to the Egyptian people.
If our idiot PM would heed the will of the people. Wishful thinking I know.
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Post by la3ar on Feb 11, 2011 18:39:08 GMT -5
Having lived in Tirana when the regime changed in 1990 I can only imagine what the Egyptians must be going through. They must be filled with a sense of elation for Mubarak's fall and trepidation of what's to come. I wish the best to the Egyptian people. If our idiot PM would heed the will of the people. Wishful thinking I know. Very wishful thinking. The Egyptian people "won" simply b/c western lobbyists allowed them to
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Post by la3ar on Feb 11, 2011 18:39:27 GMT -5
The questions is what did Mubarak do against the USA.
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Post by drinus123 on Feb 11, 2011 20:59:28 GMT -5
Having lived in Tirana when the regime changed in 1990 I can only imagine what the Egyptians must be going through. They must be filled with a sense of elation for Mubarak's fall and trepidation of what's to come. I wish the best to the Egyptian people. If our idiot PM would heed the will of the people. Wishful thinking I know. This is one of the biggest lies and exaggerations ever. I hear it a lot. Albanians didn't care about the regime change. As a matter of fact it was last country in Europe to overthrow it in most peaceful means. The student protests in December 91' didn't do anything. communism by then was already over in most of europe.
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Post by bordura on Feb 12, 2011 2:13:54 GMT -5
Having lived in Tirana when the regime changed in 1990 I can only imagine what the Egyptians must be going through. They must be filled with a sense of elation for Mubarak's fall and trepidation of what's to come. I wish the best to the Egyptian people. If our idiot PM would heed the will of the people. Wishful thinking I know. This is one of the biggest lies and exaggerations ever. I hear it a lot. Albanians didn't care about the regime change. As a matter of fact it was last country in Europe to overthrow it in most peaceful means. The student protests in December 91' didn't do anything. communism by then was already over in most of europe. this guy must be really empty. In the beginning I thought he just have an inadequate development of the emotional mapping and unsatisfactory depth on his logical processes. Well now he has exposed another side of him; defective memory or poor factual catalog. He lacks the minimum required factual data base that even an modest brain has. Ukraine, Belarus, championed communism long after Albania. Student demonstrations did exactly that; forced the communist government to set a date for new elections and allow political parties to be created. I believe that during those days you were just a lazy spermatozoa inside a ball-sack
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Post by drinus123 on Feb 12, 2011 11:30:14 GMT -5
Haha, buddy you couldn't compare to me on many levels. Do you really think a bunch of students made a change on overall scheme of things? The whole commie system was collapsing everywhere. Our neighbors (greece and italy) had already established a democratic system . It was finally time. The resistance in Albania was zero (and that's a very good civilized thing). Our collapse was peaceful. It was not like Caucesku in romania, ukraine or belarus or even bloody like in yugoslavia. If you are not honest to yourself. We will continue to live in myths. And myths are dangerous.
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Post by drinus123 on Feb 12, 2011 11:33:41 GMT -5
It's similar to the story of Oedipus shadow. Where in the end you realize the system has collapses and you think you made a difference. But all this time you have been blinded by your own shadows. And what has been going on behind your back, you have no clue about.
Anyways, mubarak has been in power for much too long (30 some years). I doubt Egypt will be much different after him being gone. It's the people who make the country, not the leader.
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Post by toskaliku on Feb 12, 2011 15:27:11 GMT -5
People like Drinus are perfect fukin tools for Goebbels like figures. Ready to eat every propaganda piece thrown at them. He reminds me of Tea Party idiots who wait for O'Reilly or Glenn Beck to throw them their next piece of bs to gobble it up. Not a single trace of actual mental processing going on, just consumption.
There is no point in speaking with idiots like him. I have people like him in my family... they think the very word "social" is evil now and refuse to even listen to any reason. You can't speak with a right-winger of his type... there is no logic, just consumption.
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Post by drinus123 on Feb 12, 2011 15:44:54 GMT -5
Oh you will always be a naive boy. I know hundred percent your thoughts are influenced by your parents.
Take a stand little boy for once in your life. make your own conclusions even if that means going against family-thinking behavior.
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Post by bordura on Feb 12, 2011 16:50:37 GMT -5
drinus to me comes across as a chimera. People as him would never be able to generate, create or change anything. As for the system change in Albania; just shut up if it wasn't for my friends and me killing the fear inside us first and then fearless demonstrating against the regime and the government, individuals like you would still be having a "north korean" type of life. You think communists in power invited everyone to share the pie? The dominoes that have fallen before where a inspiration to us and showed examples that is possible, but nothing would had happened if we didn't go and demonstrate and demand change. It was peaceful? Yes in terms of bloodshed was none, that doesn't mean people didn't get beaten, wounded, injured, arrested, detained, threatened. It was violence against students and students used violence against police, special troops and sometime even the army. but, toskali is right, why do i spend time with explaining to a dead brain?
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Post by drinus123 on Feb 12, 2011 16:54:21 GMT -5
drinus to me comes across as a chimera. People as him would never be able to generate, create or change anything. As for the system change in Albania; just shut up if it wasn't for my friends and me killing the fear inside us first and then fearless demonstrating against the regime and the government, individuals like you would still be having a "north korean" type of life. You think communists in power invited everyone to share the pie? The dominoes that have fallen before where a inspiration to us and showed examples that is possible, but nothing would had happened if we didn't go and demonstrate and demand change. It was peaceful? Yes in terms of bloodshed was none, that doesn't mean people didn't get beaten, wounded, injured, arrested, detained, threatened. It was violence against students and students used violence against police, special troops and sometime even the army. but, toskali is right, why do i spend time with explaining to a dead brain? hahaha this is gold. thank you o mighty one for bringing down communism. tell me, how did you do it?
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Post by bordura on Feb 12, 2011 16:55:55 GMT -5
drinus to me comes across as a chimera. People as him would never be able to generate, create or change anything. As for the system change in Albania; just shut up if it wasn't for my friends and me killing the fear inside us first and then fearless demonstrating against the regime and the government, individuals like you would still be having a "north korean" type of life. You think communists in power invited everyone to share the pie? The dominoes that have fallen before where a inspiration to us and showed examples that is possible, but nothing would had happened if we didn't go and demonstrate and demand change. It was peaceful? Yes in terms of bloodshed was none, that doesn't mean people didn't get beaten, wounded, injured, arrested, detained, threatened. It was violence against students and students used violence against police, special troops and sometime even the army. but, toskali is right, why do i spend time with explaining to a dead brain? hahaha this is gold. thank you o mighty one for bringing down communism. tell me, how did you do it?
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Post by bordura on Feb 12, 2011 17:03:09 GMT -5
hahaha this is gold. thank you o mighty one for bringing down communism. tell me, how did you do it? i don't know where your stupid head got the fact that I brought down communism? You have a dead brain that cant process normally any fact. read carefully again you deficient; participating in a movement doesn't mean you are the movement. I said it was my friends and me that went to demonstrate. And yes Alias regime went down because of that movement , not because Alia woke up and said. Hello fellas I'm tired of power and being a King. Starting from this morning I feel sharing it with you. You are a fantastic moron... you must be a really
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Post by drinus123 on Feb 12, 2011 17:18:46 GMT -5
I believe that you with friends and your movement brought down communism. I'm not doubting that. considering the brutal regime of alia and how he governed with an iron fist. I'm only asking, how did you do it? what type of actions did you take? or you could write it all in a book "Bringing down communism a reference- for dummies".
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Post by bordura on Feb 12, 2011 17:43:36 GMT -5
I'm acting as if not picking up your irony or cynicism or nihilism, with the vague hope you understand few facts from people that have no beef on lying or making up stories or with any agenda; if you ever lived as an adult in a totalitarian regime you'd understand that just the demonstration itself is something earth moving to the power of the regime. Students started and it was few on the last night. Next day was thousands and we boycotted school. Other universities in Elbasan, Gjirokastra, Shkoder, Korce, Univeristeti Bujqesor i Kamzes, folowed up and boycoted classes and declared we stand with Tiranas student. Still government tried to with some violence and TV propaganda to contain the movement in schools and universities. Well the 3rd day was thousands and thousand of workers stooping work and marching to the Student City in support. A national movement was picking up everywhere same as in Egypt if you cared to follow. Government tries with arrest, accusations of enemies of the state, traitors, pawns of foreigners, violence, imprisonment, abduction in the street or threatening of individuals that are exposed more as leaders. In Communist Albania that i think you didn't experience as an adult every single person used to work for the government and was 0 unemployment. When large numbers of workers decided to quit work and go to the students and support them system shook to the bone. And when students generated a larger movement and all people where boycotting work and marching to the Student City system gave in and accepted popular demands: pluralism, freedom of speech, freedom of religion market economy and new election. All this elements together achieved what is today a different system from Alias regime. Now: pee, brush your teeth and go to sleep.
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Post by drinus123 on Feb 12, 2011 17:53:51 GMT -5
Haha, that was a nice story. tell me more. I'm not the type of person that would discourage people from their achievement. But what you said is exaggerating it.
just like that? you woke up the next morning and you had freedom of speech, economy and elections. you woke up a rich man with a high standard of living.
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Post by srbobran on Feb 13, 2011 3:06:47 GMT -5
Lets be real his resignation won't change shit. Egyptians are fools if they think anything substantial is really going to change.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 13, 2011 3:27:06 GMT -5
Cynicism breeds failure!
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