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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Aug 25, 2011 21:51:39 GMT -5
Ok but not all these countries have it in the same proportion. Ivo is a very popular name among Croats and I argue that it is the most popular among Croats than anyone else. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivo^ A sample list of popular "Ivos" and its not a surprise that the majority are Croats. Even the Czech Ivo in there is of Croatian heritage. The name is probably of Greek-Latin origin from Ioan ( John) and is a common Slavic word for the name. Ivo is a derivative of Ivan and a deritive of Ivan/Ivo in Croatia would be like 'Ivica' which literally means "Johnny". I think the modern "Ivo" name despite its original Christo-Greek-Latin origin can be said to be mostly a Croatian name.
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Post by chalkedon on Aug 26, 2011 3:11:42 GMT -5
How is Turkey not having a vote ? PPl from Anatolia are one of the oldest and up there with the Greeks. Not that this has anything to do with the Altai Turks but we are talking about the country right ?
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Post by ivo on Aug 26, 2011 9:43:11 GMT -5
The first time when I found out that Croats have this name was when a Serbian girl asked me if I was Croatian since I introduced myself as Ivo, as that's actually my name. I told her that I don't think I look Croatian and that my name is a relatively common Bulgarian name, but she went on to tell me that that was a Croatian name.
Anyway, that's when I looked around and it seemed like the name can be found in other European countries as well. As for the frequency of it being highest in Croatia, I know nothing on the subject, but from the list that you provided that really does seem to be the case.
I looked it up on behindthename.com as well, this is what it comes up with..
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Post by Anittas on Aug 26, 2011 10:49:17 GMT -5
The youngest country after Kosovo must be Bulgaria. The poor Bulgarians received their independence in 1908.
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Post by ivo on Aug 26, 2011 13:48:06 GMT -5
^ Uhh forgot about Macedonia already?
So it appears you're a semi-literate, who actually thinks he's very literate, but in fact might actually be a full on illiterate.
You still follow? If you'd like I'll break it down for ya.
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Post by Anittas on Aug 26, 2011 14:30:25 GMT -5
Are you addressing me? What about Macedonia did I forget? I don't remember mentioning Macedonia in this thread.
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Post by ivo on Aug 26, 2011 14:58:21 GMT -5
Lol you really ARE dumb ain't ya. Hahaha.
Ok ok, I'll take it down a level just so that your brain might have a chance at grasping it all..
In this quote here, you discuss Bulgaria as the "youngest" country:
However, Macedonia is now celebrating its 20th year of independence.. refer to Chetnovist's post in the Macedonia forum if you'd like.
Call up Pyrros if you're having a hard time with the math, he's always claiming he's quite the mathematician.
Anittas, you truly are a chump bro. A dumb chump at that.
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Post by uz on Aug 26, 2011 17:24:31 GMT -5
^ Thats interesting to note, are the Macedonians celebrating 20 years of independance from Yugoslavia (IN SPECIFIC), or just independance in general as a new country, and not the ancient one mentioned during the biblical-times?
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Post by Anittas on Aug 26, 2011 18:08:09 GMT -5
Lol you really ARE dumb ain't ya. Hahaha. Ok ok, I'll take it down a level just so that your brain might have a chance at grasping it all.. In this quote here, you discuss Bulgaria as the "youngest" country: However, Macedonia is now celebrating its 20th year of independence.. refer to Chetnovist's post in the Macedonia forum if you'd like. Call up Pyrros if you're having a hard time with the math, he's always claiming he's quite the mathematician. Anittas, you truly are a chump bro. A dumb chump at that. What do you mean? Macedonia was founded in 800 BC.
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Post by uz on Aug 26, 2011 18:34:12 GMT -5
Runnin out of ammo ey kid. You really do hate the Bulgars, why's that?
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Post by Anittas on Aug 27, 2011 6:03:45 GMT -5
Lolz... now Uz is writting gangsta' style, like Ivo. So many cool people in this forum!
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Post by ivo on Aug 27, 2011 7:46:48 GMT -5
Shut it Gyppooo.
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Post by Anittas on Aug 27, 2011 8:09:50 GMT -5
Lolz! And you were doing so well, Ivo! At least in the first three weeks.
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Post by BigBlackBeast on Aug 27, 2011 9:03:09 GMT -5
Obviously everything depends on what is meant by 'oldest country'. In terms of modern political entities in the Balkans, Greece is clearly the 'oldest country' in the Balkans given its birth as a sovereign state in the early 19th century. In terms of a recognisable people, again Greeks are the oldest in the region with a continued recorded existence harking back to Mycenae and beyond. However, prior to the independence of Greece less than a couple of centuries ago there was never a unitary Greek state per se despite very numerous sovereign entities through the ages that were 'Greek'. As far as current states in the Balkans who are clearly derivatives of earlier political entities proceeding the modern nation state, Bulgaria can easily lay claim to this (culturally, geographically, linguistically, biologically ... but of-course not politically). Ancient Macedonia was certainly a 'state' and therefore a 'country' although the same could be said of practically all of its contemporaries ... and it was certainly not the earliest in this regard. A lot of you here seem to have decided it is 'the oldest country' because of some connection in your heads between ancient Macedonia and the FYROM which pretends to take its name. The FYROM is neither a derivative - cultural, linguistic, geographical, biological - of the ancient kingdom nor indeed is it even ... Macedonia. In fact it is one of the newest states of the region and its people (former self-identifying Bulgarians) the newest ethnic group of the Balkans. Yes, but we have ancient Macedonian blood flowing in our veins which links us to our ancient Macedonian ancestors I can’t quite interpret your emoticon so I will assume you are joking. So where did you find this ancient Macedonian blood? In any event, if you do have it … that would make it Greek blood you have and would link you to the Greek world. Rejoice! But seriously Chento, if we were to ignore later additions [some of it relatively minor (Celtic raiders, Romans) some of it of a greater contribution (Serbs, Turks, Vlachs, Gypsies) and some of it the fundamental basis of the FYROM’s population today (Bursyatsi, Dragouviti etc; Bulgars)] and concentrate entirely on the ancient substrata in the FYROM we would have the following picture: (Epirote) Greeks (ie Epirotes = Upper Makedones) in the Pelagonian plain (Pelagonians and Derriopes); Epirote Greeks also in the lakeland (probably mixed with Illyrians in the case of lake Ohrid region) Makedones (who were of-course, actually native Greek-speakers but for argument's sake we'll keep them separate here) in the small sliver of land south of the Vardar/Axios extending from the Greek border near Gevgelia to about Negotino/Kavadarci, an area which the Makedones renamed - in their Greek language - to Emathia in deference to the more famous alluvial area in their actual homeland further south. This region was originally Paeonian and Paeonians still comprised a presumably diminishing but probably still significant proportion of the population from the time King Archelaos built his fortress town at Demir Kapu and started introducing colonists. Phrygians (only remnant groups even in antiquity) on the periphery of the Pelagonian plain whether in an enclave northwest of Prilep or in the lakeland region. Illyrians extending from lake Ohrid all the way to Dardanian territory around the Skopje plain and beyond and including the Treska river valley in its entirety. [Contrary to the commonly held view, the Skopje plain itself was actually originally Paeonian territory and over the centuries was fought over between them and the Dardanians]. Paeonians, the most important sub-stratum group, covering the remaining bulk of the FYROM's territory (about 60-65%) - including the Skopje region (mixed with the Dardanians) and the region around Demir Kapu(-ija) mixed with the Macedonian colonists.
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Post by unitedgreece on Feb 16, 2016 5:52:12 GMT -5
Greece (Ellada/Hellas) is the oldest country. The oldest countries of Southern Europe are Greece and Italy!!!
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Post by unitedgreece on Feb 16, 2016 5:53:08 GMT -5
Though, Macedonia has equal claims on Bulgaria as Bulgaria has on Macedonia.. so I guess you are technically right, but still, their claims on Ancient Macedonia are really nothing of significance. Fyromacedonia has just as much connection to Ancient Macedonia as modern Bulgaria does to Old Bulgaria. You are incorrect. Greece has more connections to Alexander the Great, FYROMians have no connection whatsoever!!!
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