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Post by mystery on Jun 16, 2011 10:31:34 GMT -5
So basically this is the statue and it's going in the middle of skopje.... Sad.
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Post by Nikola on Jun 16, 2011 10:47:01 GMT -5
It's going to look great. ;D It's currently in pieces in the middle of the square and will be put up in the next few days.
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Post by ulf on Jun 16, 2011 10:54:00 GMT -5
I don't understand this Macedonian government. WTF is all with Alexander the Great statues and ancient Macedonisms. Even their own people(but few dumb morons from Skoplje) don't believe in all that crap, so I can't see the reason why are they spending money on this and not on some things that really matters like salaries
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Post by odel on Jun 16, 2011 14:17:15 GMT -5
I don't understand this Macedonian government. WTF is all with Alexander the Great statues and ancient Macedonisms. Even their own people(but few dumb morons from Skoplje) don't believe in all that crap, so I can't see the reason why are they spending money on this and not on some things that really matters like salaries I agree. There's little reason for the government to invest in some statues that have little to no thing to do with most of the people living in Macedonia, instead they could spend money on something that will help the people.
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Post by ljubotan on Jun 16, 2011 16:38:17 GMT -5
this is all due to a complex issue in that they truly know they're not Macedonian, but would like to set up future generations as thinking they are:(
sad and pathetic to say the least. while the folks of macedonia are very hospitable and low key, they are the most backward and low IQ Slavs of the balkans!!!!! OVA JE SRAMOTA BRE!
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Post by kijgol on Jun 16, 2011 22:31:43 GMT -5
This is cool for the tourist but bad for the people living there. To think public monies is being used to pay for this sh*t is ridiculous.
What is even more ridiculous is Albanians in Shkup live in ghettos while Macedonians build statues of ancient figures. As long as these Shkupjans have Allah and their mosques they don't give a sh*t. Keep building mosques while the FYROMians build antiquity.
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Post by Nikola on Jun 17, 2011 1:23:54 GMT -5
Guy's while I agree with most of what you are all saying; that statues like this are not needed and are generally a waste of money (though they will bring in tourists), it does also raise a very big issue that needs to be examined.
And that is, how can the tax money of a country of only two million people, be enough to pay for all of these constructions, while in other neighbouring countries, with much higher population figures and even bigger budgets, they can barely build half the stuff of Skopje? Where is their money going?? It's not like Albania or Bulgaria have massively better economies or a much better quality of life. So what's happening to all their tax payer money? In Macedonia at the moment, we can see where the money is going, straight back to all these constructions, which will benefit the country overall.
And the same goes for Macedonia in the past. Why didn't the previous Government build anything when they were in power, while the current Government builds so much? What happened to all the tax payer money? Corrupt politicians stole it, and gave nothing back to the people, that's what.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 17, 2011 2:32:24 GMT -5
I don't understand this Macedonian government. WTF is all with Alexander the Great statues and ancient Macedonisms. Even their own people(but few dumb morons from Skoplje) don't believe in all that crap, so I can't see the reason why are they spending money on this and not on some things that really matters like salaries Who told you that there is a Makedonian gvmt? Or a Greek gvmt? Or a Serbian gvmt? We are all west's bi tches. We do as we are told. It is no surprise that after 91, we witness the most idiotic increase in nationalism in the balkans.
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Post by mystery on Jun 17, 2011 11:49:41 GMT -5
Guy's while I agree with most of what you are all saying; that statues like this are not needed and are generally a waste of money (though they will bring in tourists), it does also raise a very big issue that needs to be examined. And that is, how can the tax money of a country of only two million people, be enough to pay for all of these constructions, while in other neighbouring countries, with much higher population figures and even bigger budgets, they can barely build half the stuff of Skopje? Where is their money going?? It's not like Albania or Bulgaria have massively better economies or a much better quality of life. So what's happening to all their tax payer money? In Macedonia at the moment, we can see where the money is going, straight back to all these constructions, which will benefit the country overall. And the same goes for Macedonia in the past. Why didn't the previous Government build anything when they were in power, while the current Government builds so much? What happened to all the tax payer money? Corrupt politicians stole it, and gave nothing back to the people, that's what. If I'm not mistaken didn't the Mak gov't take out a bunch of loans for the Skopje 2014 plan? I'm probably wrong with this but I don't think the current budget can afford all of these plans.
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Post by Nikola on Jun 17, 2011 12:47:50 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken didn't the Mak gov't take out a bunch of loans for the Skopje 2014 plan? I'm probably wrong with this but I don't think the current budget can afford all of these plans. I think it's all being taken from the budget, and not through loans. But it's from the budget over the next four years, which means they are paying for it all as it's being constructed. So they can't build and pay for everything at once. Which makes sense. They did recently get access to some new loans but that's not paying for Skopje 2014 I'm pretty sure.
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Post by Nikola on Jun 19, 2011 11:46:15 GMT -5
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Post by rusebg on Jun 19, 2011 14:27:11 GMT -5
They've made his look like some cheaky bastard in the second picture.
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Post by kijgol on Jun 20, 2011 22:15:34 GMT -5
Guy's while I agree with most of what you are all saying; that statues like this are not needed and are generally a waste of money (though they will bring in tourists), it does also raise a very big issue that needs to be examined. And that is, how can the tax money of a country of only two million people, be enough to pay for all of these constructions, while in other neighbouring countries, with much higher population figures and even bigger budgets, they can barely build half the stuff of Skopje? Where is their money going?? It's not like Albania or Bulgaria have massively better economies or a much better quality of life. So what's happening to all their tax payer money? In Macedonia at the moment, we can see where the money is going, straight back to all these constructions, which will benefit the country overall. And the same goes for Macedonia in the past. Why didn't the previous Government build anything when they were in power, while the current Government builds so much? What happened to all the tax payer money? Corrupt politicians stole it, and gave nothing back to the people, that's what. The problem IMO is money is being used to build statues of ancient figures that have little relevance with FYROM. Spending millions of dollars on statues is ludicrous in this economy. We are facing a world recession and FYROM is building giant statues ie Alexander the Great aka Man on Horse.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 21, 2011 3:04:15 GMT -5
This is part of the deal. The west wants it this way. If the west found this a stupid idea (at the moment) you would see front-pages in major UK/USA papers, with their usual caustic, aggressive and pounding comments. Obviously everything goes according to the plan.
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Post by Nikola on Jun 21, 2011 4:03:16 GMT -5
This is part of the deal. The west wants it this way. If the west found this a stupid idea (at the moment) you would see front-pages in major UK/USA papers, with their usual caustic, aggressive and pounding comments. Obviously everything goes according to the plan. The West isn't very happy about it Pyrros. Apparently, Macedonia has damaged it's relations with the EU with this statue, and may not get EU entry unless they stop "provoking" Greece. Maybe the Gruevski Government does know what it's doing afterall. ;D turkeymacedonia.wordpress.com/2011/06/20/fule-shows-macedonia-yellow-card-/Füle shows Macedonia yellow cardJune 20, 2011In an unprecedented move, Enlargement Commissioner Štefan Füle has warned Macedonia that the country could lose its EU candidate status if no progress is made on the path to reform and if the EU hopeful keeps on taking actions considered by Greece as “provocations”.
The warning came in a TV interview given by Füle to Macedonian TV channel A1, one of the few media outlets with a critical voice and which the government is reportedly trying to silence.
Füle was asked to comment on the decision by Nikola Gruevski’s government to erect a statue of a ‘warrior on horseback’ resembling Alexander the Great in the centre of Skopje, which has sparked fury in Greece. Over the weekend, the 12-meter high statue was finally assembled.
The commissioner said that not only in bilateral affairs, but also in normal life any person should avoid doing things seen by its neighbour as a provocation.
“Seriously, if you have a neighbour, and I’m not talking about two states now, and there is an issue between two of you, whatever the nature of that issue is, and you are trying sincerely to solve it, I guess you would avoid doing anything that your neighbour might call a provocation. This is simple logic. I would expect the government in Skopje to avoid doing things which would be called by the other side provocations,” the commissioner said.
Füle said he was “not really” satisfied with the pace of reform in Macedonia. He added that if this trend were to persist under the new government formed following snap elections on 5 June, the Commission could reassess its recommendation to start accession negotiations, given in December 2005.
“Am I satisfied with the tempo of reform? Not really. As soon as the government is being formed, if we see clear steps toward renewing the reform tempo in your country, then I don’t see any reason why we should change our recommendation. If we have a feeling that instead of progress there is a regress, if we have a feeling that instead of going forward you are going backwards, we would probably have to reassess that recommendation to start accession negotiations,” Füle said.
The commissioner said he saw no need for such a move at present, but again insisted that the reform process must be accelerated.
“Do I see it [the need to reassess the recommendation] at the moment? No. Do I see a need for the reform process to be accelerated? Yes I do,” he stated.
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The very idea of downgrading a country on its way to EU accession is unprecedented, but Macedonia appears to be a unique case in EU integration history. In spite of the fact that it has obtained candidate status, it has for six-and-a-half years now been unable to start accession negotiations due to its ‘name dispute’ with Greece.
All 12 new EU members from the 2004-2007 waves of enlargement were able to conclude accession negotiations in less than six years.
Despite of the controversial nature of the interview, mainstream media in Macedonia largely ignored it. Asked by EurActiv to comment, Tanja Milevska, the Brussels correspondent of A1 TV, said that the government in Skopje, which largely controls the media landscape, had once again made sure that critical messages did not reach a wider audience.
A1 TV has tax evasion charges pending, which are being pressed by the government. A possible decision against A1 TV, which will be taken today (20 June), may lead to its bankruptcy. As recently revealed by EurActiv, US cables clearly state that the government of Nikola Gruevski has a well-established tradition of using the state’s judicial and repressive apparatus to quell dissent. A1 TV and the newspapers Vreme and Spic, which belong to the same media group, are among the few voicing criticism against the government in Skopje.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 21, 2011 4:36:00 GMT -5
This is part of the deal. The west wants it this way. If the west found this a stupid idea (at the moment) you would see front-pages in major UK/USA papers, with their usual caustic, aggressive and pounding comments. Obviously everything goes according to the plan. The West isn't very happy about it Pyrros. Apparently, Macedonia has damaged it's relations with the EU with this statue, and may not get EU entry unless they stop "provoking" Greece. Maybe the Gruevski Government does know what it's doing afterall. ;D Hmm then the problem is in the west. They have created chaos lately with their unreliable and unstable stance. We the eternal puppets do not know what to do next. In any case, glad that your gvmt goes against them. If they say do not build a statue of Alex, then you should go and build as much as possible. (then of course you will have to re-make ex-yu ;D ;D )
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Post by Nikola on Jun 21, 2011 6:18:52 GMT -5
Say what you all will about the cost and whatever, but that is one awesome looking structure. Here is a web cam picture of the statue mounted in it's place. I'll post proper photos as they become available. A brighter version that looks clearer.
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Post by Nikola on Jun 21, 2011 7:47:58 GMT -5
Another picture from yesterday. Looks good.
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Post by ljubotan on Jun 21, 2011 9:59:25 GMT -5
So did Alexsander ever live in today's geographical Macedonia, fight there or even visit there??? I highly doubt it! This is a disgrace and goes to show further how uneducated and stubborn the avg joe is in Macedonia!!!!
What Vardar was to Macedonia in ancient times is what Vardar was to the Ottoman Empire...conquered lands that had illyrian tribes that fought against his father from being occupied. If you're a 'true' Macedonian, then you're Bulgarian, Serbian and Turkish too.
The avg 60+ yr old from Macedonia (diaspora and otherwise), doesn't know shiiit about Alexsander the Great, and those same people think Kraljevic Marko had a flying horse (WTF).
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Post by rex362 on Jun 21, 2011 11:11:12 GMT -5
They've made his look like some cheaky bastard in the second picture. Looks like cross between Gruevski & Mel Gibson if ya ask me .... btw ...anybody know which direction ATG is facing and yes it costs big money to make an identity ...ask the greks
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