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Post by ulf on Jul 20, 2011 17:01:39 GMT -5
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Post by ulf on Jul 20, 2011 17:05:39 GMT -5
Guess his origins and classify him
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 20, 2011 17:38:51 GMT -5
Lithuanian.
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Post by ulf on Jul 21, 2011 13:00:17 GMT -5
No, but close
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jul 21, 2011 13:15:36 GMT -5
I'm gonna spoil it. His name is Andrei Kolmogorov. This suggest Russsian but I'm skeptical. He hails from the town of Tambov which itself is a Moksha word ( language of Mordovia) for 'wet'. It also has ties to Finno-Uralic peoples. His last name sounds like it could be Finnish originally. AmIrite?
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jul 21, 2011 13:16:35 GMT -5
He kinda looks like Boris Tadic btw.
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Post by ulf on Jul 21, 2011 13:46:11 GMT -5
Prisojanin, did you knew him before or you just took a peek at the link?
He might have a tiny bit of Tatar blood, but even so people in these areas of Russia are even today by great % majorly Russian Slavs
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jul 21, 2011 15:07:02 GMT -5
I knew about him. Russia is such a mish-mash of peoples that its hard to say anything about them. A great deal of Russia is Turkic land. The 'slav' Russians ( Rus) are modern day Ukrainians.
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Post by ulf on Jul 21, 2011 15:53:21 GMT -5
Not only, places such as Yaroslavl, Ladoga, Vladimir, up to Chernigov, but southern places such as Rostov na Donu has certainly a touch of Tatar blood
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 22, 2011 5:32:05 GMT -5
A great deal of Russia is Turkic land. self-destructive slavs like this prick are the reason the west is so great today. I suggest, during the next great Slav empire to gather people like this one for extensive study. To identify the gene or other element which makes them so self-destructive..... Being indifferent to the lust of power (as the initial slavs were) and being so idiotically self destructive are two entirely different beasts. This idiot cannot understand that without Russia's weight, eventually smaller slavic tribes (like this Croat thing) will lose their identity.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jul 22, 2011 11:36:24 GMT -5
^ This is why people tell you to STFU. Anyway I have no problems with Russians I was just starting a fact that the Russian Federation occupies a lot of Turk land, you care to prove me wrong? And Pyrros don't worry about our identity. We've held onto it for over 1,000 years even when faced with Magyarization, Germanization , Italianization , Serbianization , Yugoslavianization , ( and the list goes on). We're still here though and it wasn't Russia that ever helped us preserve our identity but rather the unlikely Catholic Church.
You should learn to distinguish fantasy and fact.
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Post by uz on Jul 22, 2011 12:00:37 GMT -5
haha, obviously. I mean you have the chessboard on your flag still, right?
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jul 22, 2011 12:09:20 GMT -5
haha, obviously. I mean you have the chessboard on your flag still, right? I don't get it , pard me for not catching on.... Your point being...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 25, 2011 7:50:35 GMT -5
^ This is why people tell you to STFU. Anyway I have no problems with Russians I was just starting a fact that the Russian Federation occupies a lot of Turk land, you care to prove me wrong? And Pyrros don't worry about our identity. We've held onto it for over 1,000 years even when faced with Magyarization, Germanization , Italianization , Serbianization , Yugoslavianization , ( and the list goes on). We're still here though and it wasn't Russia that ever helped us preserve our identity but rather the unlikely Catholic Church. You should learn to distinguish fantasy and fact. It is true that official croatian has nothing to do with the pure croatian spoken in Zagreb only. BTW Serbianization must have been the most easy, as 2/3 of Croats (stokavski speakers) are catholic Serbs.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jul 25, 2011 8:23:01 GMT -5
^ This is why people tell you to STFU. Anyway I have no problems with Russians I was just starting a fact that the Russian Federation occupies a lot of Turk land, you care to prove me wrong? And Pyrros don't worry about our identity. We've held onto it for over 1,000 years even when faced with Magyarization, Germanization , Italianization , Serbianization , Yugoslavianization , ( and the list goes on). We're still here though and it wasn't Russia that ever helped us preserve our identity but rather the unlikely Catholic Church. You should learn to distinguish fantasy and fact. It is true that official croatian has nothing to do with the pure croatian spoken in Zagreb only. BTW Serbianization must have been the most easy, as 2/3 of Croats (stokavski speakers) are catholic Serbs. Real Serbian is more like Macedonian and less like Croatian. Why do you think Serbs call Macedonia 'old Serbia' or 'south Serbia?' Of course Serbs didn't have a literary language basically until Vuk Karadzic so you don't even know what they spoke until that time. Btw , the first official stokavian text ever written is called the Croatian Prayer book. And the point is we remained Croats despite the aggressive and covert tactics for centuries to turn us into 'Serbs,' Maygars, Italians, Germans , etc.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 25, 2011 9:01:25 GMT -5
Oh yeah? first stokavian?? And what about Miroslavljevo Jevangelije (1186)?? or Dusan's Code (1349)? Were there written in ... macedonian as well??? PS STFU : Sodomy To Fu cking Ustasa
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jul 25, 2011 9:36:48 GMT -5
Ah you are lost lol. Miroslav's Gospels were written in Old Church Slavonic , not 'Serbian.' So yes Macedonian if we count that as a form of Bulgarian ( OCS's closest modern relative). And even if you did call its 'Serbian' then it has nothing to do with modern Stokavski or (Serbo) Croatian which lends evidence to 'real Serbian' being more like Eastern South Slavonic ( Bulgarian, Macedonian). Same thing with Dusan's code. Learn something and STFU
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 25, 2011 9:52:52 GMT -5
Ah you are lost lol. Miroslav's Gospels were written in Old Church Slavonic , not 'Serbian.' So yes Macedonian if we count that as a form of Bulgarian ( OCS's closest modern relative). Don't humiliate yourself any further. ;D HINT : DO YOU KNOW OF ANY OTHER SLAVIC LANGUAGE OF THE TIME (1000-1400)WHICH WAS NOT CATEGORIZED AS OLD CHURCH SLAVONIC? Besides, Serb lang got fucked by Karadzic to match this Serbian dialect spoken in Bosna. Real Serbian, even 200 years ago, used a lot of features found todays in Russian and other slavic languages. Besides that, idiot, chances are, that SLavs by 1000 AD, spoke THE SAME LANGUAGE all over.... PS Connecting Bulgarian with old Serbian (OCS) , when modern Serbian has much more similarities with OCS than modern Bulgarian (the case system is a classic one), shows that you are just an attention wh ore looking only to seel her product.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jul 25, 2011 10:13:21 GMT -5
DO YOU KNOW OF ANY OTHER SLAVIC LANGUAGE OF THE TIME (1000-1400)WHICH WAS NOT CATEGORIZED AS OLD CHURCH SLAVONIC? Yes , Croatian. The Croatian prayer book ( first formal stokavian text) as I mentioned. Baska Tablet Hval's manuscript Just to name a few. The Istrian land survey and Vinodol Codex from the 13th century actually calls the language itself 'hrvacki' or Croatian. When OCS converted to cyrillic from glagolitic , basically only Croatia maintained glagolitic script , angularized it , and made it uniquely Croatian. Corrected you there. Also had to make the change. Most of Bosnia literal and the western outreach of Herzegovina spoke Ikavian at the time , not Ijekavian. Duh , all Slav languages are related. But surely you're talking about earlier Macedonian when you mean 'Real Serbian.' No evidence suggest that old Serbian or 'Slavoserbian' was West South Slavic but rather East South Slavic. No even by this time they separated enough. There were distinct differences between OCS and medieval Croatian for example , far more prounced than old Serbian and OCS. Nope , most historians agree the OCS could be considered 'old Bulgarian' or 'old Macedonian.' And probably 'old Serbian' too since real Serbian was a lot more like those two languages. On top of that , OCS was practiced, taught , and actively spread first in the First Bulgarian Empire in Preslava and Orhid. It's no wonder the early Serbs ( See Rascians) , which were in close proximity to this area , also spoke old Macedonian and Bulgarian.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 27, 2011 1:57:20 GMT -5
Duh , all Slav languages are related. But surely you're talking about earlier Macedonian when you mean 'Real Serbian.' No evidence suggest that old Serbian or 'Slavoserbian' was West South Slavic but rather East South Slavic. those are later classifications. Thing is that in Vojvodina in 17th cent++ they spoke/wrote smth 100% similar to Russian, and from all aspect totally close to OCS.
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