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Post by Nikola on Aug 30, 2011 17:07:48 GMT -5
A question to the Greeks; who do you see as your closest match, racially? And who do you see as your closest racial Balkan match (if different to closest in general)? Put your neighbours in order from closest to least similar.
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Post by uz on Aug 30, 2011 17:22:04 GMT -5
^This is a huge assignment you're asking for.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Aug 30, 2011 18:03:27 GMT -5
Turks of Greek ancestry number around 30 million Yes, it's true. Caucasian Dacia Caucasian Crimea Caucasian Arran same deal
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Post by Sokol on Aug 31, 2011 0:35:33 GMT -5
A question to the Greeks; who do you see as your closest match, racially? And who do you see as your closest racial Balkan match (if different to closest in general)? Put your neighbours in order from closest to least similar. Whilst I am not Greek, I'll give this one a stab. I would say that Arabs are the closest to Greeks. Of the Balkan peoples, I would say the Turks are closest to the Greeks.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 31, 2011 1:41:36 GMT -5
^^^ the average greek is much whiter than your ... typical makedonka : violeta raleva. from what i have seen in fyrom, (albs excluded), in the rest (slavs-roma) the whites (serbs) do not make more than 30-40%.
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Post by Sokol on Aug 31, 2011 1:54:25 GMT -5
^^^ the average greek is much whiter than your ... typical makedonka : violeta raleva. from what i have seen in fyrom, (albs excluded), in the rest (slavs-roma) the whites (serbs) do not make more than 30-40%. and this is why we can't just be labelled as 'slavs' as the greeks do.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 31, 2011 2:52:41 GMT -5
wait a minute... you say that greeks are closer to arabs, and then you admit that fyromians are darker than greeks?? does it make any sense?
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Post by Nikola on Aug 31, 2011 3:53:41 GMT -5
^This is a huge assignment you're asking for. Perhaps. But if there's one thing I have noticed on the internet, is that everybody thinks they are lighter than their neighbours. - Greeks believe they are lighter than Albanians, Macedonian's (as Pyrros is showing), Bulgarians and Slavs in general. - Albanians think they are lighter than Macedonian's, Bulgarians, Greeks. - (some) Turks think they are lighter than Balkan people and Italians, etc. - Spaniards think they are lighter than Italians, all Balkan people and all Slavs. So I'm curious to find out how people here see themselves. From the Macedonian perspective, I can say that Macedonian's see Greeks as darker on average, but not in a derogatory way. I don't think a Macedonian would object with mixing genes with a Greek. Or a Bulgarian or anyone north of Macedonia. Only Albanians are viewed as exotic but even then, mostly because of their religion (those who are Muslim anyway), and not racially.
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Post by Nikola on Aug 31, 2011 4:03:55 GMT -5
^^^ the average greek is much whiter than your ... typical makedonka : violeta raleva. Violeta Raleva isn't the "average" Macedonian. She is clearly at the darker end of the scale. If you think that way, I don't think you know much about us.
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Post by chalkedon on Aug 31, 2011 4:21:16 GMT -5
Cheno raised the Arab card and Pyrros corrected him on it. I dont think color was the subject of the conversation until Africans and Arabs were brought up. Aside from the insinuation of color what else would we have in common with Arabs or Africans ? In any case its only normal for Mediterenean ppl to have a darker complexion espescially if they are out in the sun all day working. So the issue of color to me is a mute one. I would use other anthropoligical findings to do the comparison. Hair, Eyes, Nose, Mouth, Skull, Body Frame etc.
Your original question is a hard one. I can say anywhere from Spaniards to Italians to Aegean Turks.
How would you classify Tose Proeski ? Tatar ?
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Post by greek1234 on Aug 31, 2011 4:33:07 GMT -5
The prominent Italian Geneticist - Luigi Cavalli Sforza has found a strong genetic link between modern and ancient Greeks.
We are also Racially pure - the Greek phenotype has persisted throughout the ages - Mediterranean and Alpine.
Our culture in particular our language has persisted for at least four thousand years.
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Post by chalkedon on Aug 31, 2011 4:50:06 GMT -5
I dont agree with the definition of "pure". What we should ask ourselves is if we have changed anthropoligically speaking over the millenia. In our case I do not believe there was any significant impact on us. Same for Italians, Look at Totti or Gattuso that play football. They look like straight up Romans if you ask me.
So in general in the meditterenian basin we have not changed much. Another similar example are Mexicans where aside from the substantial impact of Europeans on their land they have still retained much of their native american characteristics.
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Post by Nikola on Aug 31, 2011 5:05:01 GMT -5
Your original question is a hard one. I can say anywhere from Spaniards to Italians to Aegean Turks. How would you classify Tose Proeski ? Tatar ? Tose Proeski was Aromanian. Not ethnically a Slav or a Med, maybe part Gypsy or Tatar, I don't know. I will agree that we Macedonian's (in the current sense) are a combination of different people. I have come across some who are clearly gypsies or Turks, and they call themselves Macedonian. But who am I to say anything? From my own personal experience, I have also come across fellow countrymen (from Bitola and Ohrid especially) who rarely pick me as one of their own, they usually think I'm a Croat. But every country in the Balkans is a mix of races. To think otherwise is ridiculous. Hearing some of the Greek comments about how Greeks are pure and white, and we Macedonian's are not even Europeans is laughable.
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Post by chalkedon on Aug 31, 2011 5:16:48 GMT -5
Nikola, visit your diaspora in Australia much ? They are completely off the wall. You wont find too many Greeks like that. Even our extremists dont hold a candle in front of them.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 31, 2011 5:16:56 GMT -5
How would you classify Tose Proeski ? Tatar ? Tose (RIP) was a clear vlah. (and great voice). Also note that the name Tose was also present in our greek vlahs like Averov Tositsas.
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Post by chalkedon on Aug 31, 2011 5:19:19 GMT -5
Im aware of the Vlah connection with him, but just from his eyes alone he strikes me as a Tatar or someone from Turkic background.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 31, 2011 5:23:46 GMT -5
^^^ the average greek is much whiter than your ... typical makedonka : violeta raleva. Violeta Raleva isn't the "average" Macedonian. She is clearly at the darker end of the scale. If you think that way, I don't think you know much about us. nikola, i was just tired to promote inter-slav unity and inter-slav-greek cooperation, only to have certain dumpfucks constantly attacking serbs and greeks. i have been facing the greek hardliners for too long, but i never saw any "pyrros" equivalent in the ranks of the bulgos or the maks... and so, when a someone (chento) makes such a silly remark, about greeks being close to arabs, i have to answer to him properly.... havn't seen many maks massively, but imo, having seen loads of bulgos, apart from their gothic-slavic-whatever part, the rest are on average darker than the greeks. and that is, excluding the gypsies.... putting the gypsies in the equation... the results change dramatically.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 31, 2011 6:32:28 GMT -5
"Whilst I am not Greek, I'll give this one a stab. I would say that Arabs are the closest to Greeks. Of the Balkan peoples, I would say the Turks are closest to the Greeks."
Chento, please don't do a *Bulgarian* on us and talk from your backside, your better than that.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 31, 2011 6:47:10 GMT -5
chento is very prone to bulgarisms ;D
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 31, 2011 7:09:30 GMT -5
^ Pyrro, as l mentioned, his grandfather fought with the mongols in WW2....probably killed some serbs?
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