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Post by Nikola on Aug 31, 2011 7:43:53 GMT -5
Nikola, visit your diaspora in Australia much ? They are completely off the wall. You wont find too many Greeks like that. Even our extremists dont hold a candle in front of them. What are you talking about exactly? I've seen no inappropriate behaviour from my countrymen in Australia. Some of the younger generation can act like idiots but that's hardly unique among Balkan people living here. On the opposite side, there is a Hellenic club here in Australia and they are very hardcore. I remember one of their members called a radio station once and he was the Nazi equivalent.
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Post by Nikola on Aug 31, 2011 7:49:20 GMT -5
nikola, i was just tired to promote inter-slav unity and inter-slav-greek cooperation, only to have certain dumpf**ks constantly attacking serbs and greeks. i have been facing the greek hardliners for too long, but i never saw any "pyrros" equivalent in the ranks of the bulgos or the maks... and so, when a someone (chento) makes such a silly remark, about greeks being close to arabs, i have to answer to him properly.... havn't seen many maks massively, but imo, having seen loads of bulgos, apart from their gothic-slavic-whatever part, the rest are on average darker than the greeks. and that is, excluding the gypsies.... putting the gypsies in the equation... the results change dramatically. I don't know why you let it get to you. I constantly cop Skopian, FYROMian, Slav, Gypsy, etc, etc, all in a derogatory tone and I just let it pass (mostly). Because I know it isn't true. But your response wasn't proper because it isn't true. The mistake you're making is to once again assume that we are the same as Bulgarians. If you feel that Bulgarians are darker than Greeks then fine, you might be right. But we Macedonian's aren't exactly the same as Bulgarians.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Aug 31, 2011 7:52:05 GMT -5
And which Arabs are meant to be closer to Greeks than Greeks themseleves?
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Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 31, 2011 7:58:00 GMT -5
Nikola, you simply do not know the price i paid in order to promote respect for the slavs..... only to have them come back and bite like small pathetic snakes.(aziz a prime example) Chento, in a thread where i was acknowledging the crimes against the mak slavs in greece, popped like a fart to say smth silly about disagreement in the so-called greek-serb alliance's policy towards makedonia. Also, i have been praising the good values of the bulgars (as i witnessed them in bulgaria), only to have some mongol come back claiming all serbia.
that was it. to hell with them. i am so tired with all this.
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Post by ivo on Aug 31, 2011 8:44:41 GMT -5
Nikola, a while back you said that you view Macedonians from Skopje and Macedonians from the South as different. You mentioned that you yourself feel that you are genetically closer to "whatever Serbs and Croats are", and then you said that Macedonians from the South are "different". What exactly did you mean by this? I'm still not quite clear.
Gyrro, don't be retard again. You're promoting that ALL South Slavs are Serbs. That's just BS.
Nikola, once more, how is it that in your quote above you equate ALL Macedonians. Yet, in the past, you've expressed that to the best of your knowledge Macedonians from the Skopje region are "different" from Macedonians from the South.
First of all, your honest assessment of Bulgaria and Bulgarians is much appreciated. However, the rest of the BS you spin on here about your idiotic theories of how Bulgarians are Mongols, Tatars, Serbs mixed with Turks etc. is complete crap.
And as I've already mentioned, Bulgaria and Bulgarians in general have no territorial claims toward any of our neighbors. Bulgaria's borders are fine as they are.
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Post by ivo on Aug 31, 2011 8:46:43 GMT -5
As for the physical complexion of skin tone and what not.. I think that Bulgarians, Macedonians, Greeks, and Romanians are of more or less the same skin colour.
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Post by ioan on Aug 31, 2011 8:49:13 GMT -5
The mistake you're making is to once again assume that we are the same as Bulgarians. I didnt think I d live the day t say it, but Pyrro was right in this case: Macedonians are the same as Bulgarians. So he can use his impressions on the Bulgarians in the case of the Macedonians. Now we are not one nation, but we do descend from one nation, that split in the 50ties.
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Post by chalkedon on Aug 31, 2011 8:53:25 GMT -5
Nikola, visit your diaspora in Australia much ? They are completely off the wall. You wont find too many Greeks like that. Even our extremists dont hold a candle in front of them. What are you talking about exactly? I've seen no inappropriate behaviour from my countrymen in Australia. Some of the younger generation can act like idiots but that's hardly unique among Balkan people living here. On the opposite side, there is a Hellenic club here in Australia and they are very hardcore. I remember one of their members called a radio station once and he was the Nazi equivalent. I guess we both know which forums we are talking about. And no, it is not limited to some immature youth. I am talking about adults that really believe they have spawned off Alexanders next of kin. Then you have churches with occupied maps on their front doors with the effegy of Alexander on a dome. That is what I am referring to. Anyway, never had an issue with you Nikola. Just saying...
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Post by missanthropology58 on Aug 31, 2011 9:10:30 GMT -5
Macedonians are Bulgarians? Ha, Macedonians are Greeks Nothern Greece is geographical between Bulgaria and Greece and Bulgaria they have small Eastern European dna like 30 percent, nothing to do with ''Turks'' either
Southern Italians Ex Yugoslavs Albos Anatolians etc Bulgarians are all Greek or partly Greek anyway, you're all the same shit. Basically what you're fighting over is the name of Macedonian not the phenotype.
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Post by chalkedon on Aug 31, 2011 9:24:10 GMT -5
It wouldnt be such a problem if it wasnt for the fact that they are trying to connect the term "Macedonia" with a Slavic speaking nation. The irony of it all is that it was the Slavs themselves that displaced the original inhabitants of the area. Now all of a sudden the assailant wants to inherit the name of their victim. In any other reasonable country that would be a felony
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 31, 2011 9:34:17 GMT -5
Southern Italians Ex Yugoslavs Albos Anatolians etc Bulgarians are all Greek or partly Greek anyway, you're all the same s**t. Basically what you're fighting over is the name of Macedonian not the phenotype. I knew you never had a clue, but now it is confirmed ;D even serbianci serbs (from serbia, not bosnia) might look like greeks but : - women's voices are much more manly and deep - it is verry common to see loads of dudes over 200cm tall, which you dont see in greece at this extend - it is also very common to see blond-bosnian type ppl stemming from serbia proper, not to be found in grece either. - all of them, serbs, bosnians etc.... have massive teeth problems, and believe me, neither do they neglect their teeth, nor do they have bad dentists... it is in the greek dna to have resistant teeth. ex-yugos do not have that. (maybe that is nature's way of telling them : NO MORE MEAT!!)
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Post by missanthropology58 on Aug 31, 2011 9:49:02 GMT -5
Arabs are different anyway. Saudi Arabians or Iraqis you'd never mistake for a Southern European.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Aug 31, 2011 9:51:12 GMT -5
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Post by terroreign on Aug 31, 2011 16:03:04 GMT -5
That is a fact that any non-political scholarly anthropologist/linguist/historian would agree upon. Get your half-mongol, half-serb self over it.
yes they're more greek down there...manastir/bitola until recently had a huge amount of greeks...
those are facts internationally recognized scholars assert, cut the s**t.
of course you don't, because you all belong as a subgroup of a larger serb state, now back to the fields.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Aug 31, 2011 16:34:41 GMT -5
Southern Italians Ex Yugoslavs Albos Anatolians etc Bulgarians are all Greek or partly Greek anyway, you're all the same s**t. Basically what you're fighting over is the name of Macedonian not the phenotype. I knew you never had a clue, but now it is confirmed ;D even serbianci serbs (from serbia, not bosnia) might look like greeks but : - women's voices are much more manly and deep - it is verry common to see loads of dudes over 200cm tall, which you dont see in greece at this extend - it is also very common to see blond-bosnian type ppl stemming from serbia proper, not to be found in grece either. - all of them, serbs, bosnians etc.... have massive teeth problems, and believe me, neither do they neglect their teeth, nor do they have bad dentists... it is in the greek dna to have resistant teeth. ex-yugos do not have that. (maybe that is nature's way of telling them : NO MORE MEAT!!) First of all, I think you don't have a clue now it's confirmed you actually have no clue whatso ever. And guess what Serbian? You aren't Northern European, and i'm not talking about Serbians anyway i'm talking about Greeks Bulgarians Albanians Southern Italians Anatolians blah blah the yugoslav bit ( apart from Albania/Kosovo ) would only include Serbians of Pontanic ancestry anyway and yes, i've seen them. Some Serbian girl put her picture on the anthroscape forum and she had the same phenotype as me a Lebanese woman of Turkish descent, so HA.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Aug 31, 2011 16:36:46 GMT -5
Surely, you're not a advocate of non White supremacy.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Aug 31, 2011 16:41:15 GMT -5
Oh yes you do, ( to some degree anyway ) all that part marked out in Black, this is the mark of the Ionian ( Potanic ) Greek colonization Including parts of Asia Minor and the Caucasus ( Crimea ) Parts of Southern Italy Parts of Albania ( this includes parts of Serbia/Kosovo ) and parts of Bulgaria ( since it's on the border anyway ) Attachments:
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Post by Sokol on Aug 31, 2011 19:09:27 GMT -5
^ Pyrro, as l mentioned, his grandfather fought with the mongols in WW2....probably killed some serbs? Yes, both my grandfathers did, and both later fought as Macedonian partizans. You'll find that most Macedonians of the time will share a similar story. Macedonians were drafted in the BG army and then when the tide of the war changed, the Macedonian's shifted to the MK partizans. Perhaps Serbian Chetniks and Croat Ustashe did the same, as Germany's fortune's began to change.
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Post by Sokol on Aug 31, 2011 22:19:36 GMT -5
Violeta Raleva isn't the "average" Macedonian. She is clearly at the darker end of the scale. If you think that way, I don't think you know much about us. nikola, i was just tired to promote inter-slav unity and inter-slav-greek cooperation, only to have certain dumpf**ks constantly attacking serbs and greeks. i have been facing the greek hardliners for too long, but i never saw any "pyrros" equivalent in the ranks of the bulgos or the maks... and so, when a someone (chento) makes such a silly remark, about greeks being close to arabs, i have to answer to him properly.... havn't seen many maks massively, but imo, having seen loads of bulgos, apart from their gothic-slavic-whatever part, the rest are on average darker than the greeks. and that is, excluding the gypsies.... putting the gypsies in the equation... the results change dramatically. there can be no slavic-unity or pan-slavism until serbia relinquishes it's alliance with the greeks. this is the point i am making. as long as serbia allies against it's slavic neighbours, then pan-slavism is dead in the balkans. this has always been the problem with pan-slavism ie., slavic nations pursuing their own interests, even when they clash with other slavic nations.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 1, 2011 2:55:41 GMT -5
Greece did not start any yugoslav war. The 100,000 yugoslav victims in the bosnian war and the 10,000 in the kosovo war, have nothing to do with greece. Those victims were caused by western aggression and slavic stupidity. Also if we account all the murders of the bulgarian side against "fellow" yugo-slavs in the last 100 years, you will see that things get even worse....
now how about the opposite?? have you ever thought the impact of the yugoslav help to the greek communists resulted in the ongoing of the greek civil war?
i am 100% confident that the slavic policies made more significant impacts in greece, rather than the other way around...
also let me get this straight,,, greece helped yugoslavs from ALL bosnia during the bosnian war (in terms of material aid) and also, 100 volunteers fought for the bosnian serbs. (of them, only 2-3 were true fighters, the rest were doing PR jobs). so, the fact that you accuse greeks for helping fight muslim anti-yugoslavs and your whole perception of the facts show that your case is alittle too fishy to ignore...
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