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Post by uz on Oct 4, 2011 19:54:42 GMT -5
Balkan Alliance; Macedonian Army Military age 18 Available for military service 532,856 males, age 16-49, 513,684 females, age 16-49 Fit for military service 444,247 males, age 16-49, 427,556 females, age 16-49 Reaching military age annually 14,596 males, 13,881 females Active personnel 13,000 Reserve personnel 60,000 Serbian Army Military age 18 Fit for military service 2,794,948 [1], age 15–49 Reaching military age annually 130,291 (2010) Active personnel 47,000 Montengrin Armyupload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1e/Military_of_Montenegro.gif/180px-Military_of_Montenegro.gif[/img] Military age 18+ Conscription Abolished in 2006 Active personnel 3,127 active (army 2,500 navy 401 air Force 226) and 10,100 paramilitary (2010) Greek ArmySize standard numbers in peacetime: nominal 90,000 personnel (88,262 as of 2011) wartime strength: 253,500 [/quote] Active personnel 47,000 for Serbia is F'n huge.
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Post by uz on Oct 4, 2011 19:57:55 GMT -5
Serbia is playing their part (to a certain extent), the EU/NATO/USA is playing yours.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2011 20:04:02 GMT -5
This game being played with kosovo.... you have to admit is a sham. My feelings on the matter are irrelevant. Each side feels their claim the true and genuine one. So, we each play our cards and see where we end up. The result simply is. Aside from that, you will never hear me speak against our Kosovar brothers, many of whom made the ultimate sacrifice. Naturally, out of humanistic values, I feel bad for the Serbs that have suffered as well. There are errors on both sides.
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Post by Moe Lester on Oct 4, 2011 20:11:40 GMT -5
With the military numbers, if a war starts, there'll be more soldiers. So those numbers aren't very accurate.
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Post by uz on Oct 4, 2011 20:11:43 GMT -5
This game being played with kosovo.... you have to admit is a sham. My feelings on the matter are irrelevant. Each side feels their claim the true and genuine one. So, we each play our cards and see where we end up. The result simply is. Aside from that, you will never hear me speak against our Kosovar brothers, many of whom made the ultimate sacrifice. Naturally, out of humanistic values, I feel bad for the Serbs that have suffered as well. There are errors on both sides. This is the most reasonable answer I ever got from an Albanian here when asked this question. +1 I understand that it is in conflict with your interests to answer the question.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2011 20:40:34 GMT -5
You are over-generous with your karma points senor UZ. Ultimately, my reply was the answer that is no answer. It is not so because it conflicts my interests, but rather because I lack a firm knowledge of the issue and thus reserve some judgment until such time as I feel my knowledge base is aligned more closely with the “truth”.
The geopolitical aspects are what they are, existing completely outside of any of my spheres of activity and desire. My feelings of good will for the whole Balkans are my own and authentic.
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Post by uz on Oct 4, 2011 20:46:29 GMT -5
Nice fansy words, which in turn only mean; Status-Neutral.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2011 20:51:58 GMT -5
I'll cut out the fancy words next time. Sorry, I just don't have simple solutions for complex problems. I have admitted I am over my head.
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Post by uz on Oct 4, 2011 20:53:29 GMT -5
No need to change your style in posts, personally I enjoy them and perceive them as refreshing.
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Post by Sokol on Oct 4, 2011 21:01:58 GMT -5
With the military numbers, if a war starts, there'll be more soldiers. So those numbers aren't very accurate. indeed the numbers don't take into account volunteers, paramilitries, mercenaries, foreign volunteers etc. i'm sure the shiptars can muster some islamic help. the christians however can also count on foreign help, not that it is needed.
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Post by uz on Oct 4, 2011 21:04:03 GMT -5
With the military numbers, if a war starts, there'll be more soldiers. So those numbers aren't very accurate. indeed the numbers don't take into account volunteers, paramilitries, mercenaries, foreign volunteers etc. i'm sure the shiptars can muster some islamic help. the christians however can also count on foreign help, not that it is needed. If it comes down to Islam(invasion)vs Balkans (Serb/Macs/Greeks/Montenegro etc..), its game over before it even started. Many Albanians wouldn't even be down for that.
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Post by Sokol on Oct 4, 2011 21:07:38 GMT -5
indeed the numbers don't take into account volunteers, paramilitries, mercenaries, foreign volunteers etc. i'm sure the shiptars can muster some islamic help. the christians however can also count on foreign help, not that it is needed. If it comes down to Islam(invasion)vs Balkans (Serb/Macs/Greeks/Montenegro etc..), its game over before it even started. Many Albanians wouldn't even be down for that. this game is already being played out elsewhere. the muslims are fighting this fight. it's a shame the christians don't know what the war is about....
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Post by uz on Oct 4, 2011 21:08:54 GMT -5
I don't even think the muslims know what it's about.
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Post by Moe Lester on Oct 4, 2011 21:43:50 GMT -5
I didn't think Albanians were actually offended by the word "Shqiptar". I fought that was the Albanian word for "Albanian"?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2011 21:53:40 GMT -5
"Shqiptar" is fine, and is what we call ourselves. Serbs and other slavs, drop the letter "q" and the result is offensive. I don't go around calling people "shkije", our offensive word for serbs, the reminder of what they were to us when they came into Balkan, i.e. "Scythians".
Also keep your fucking holy crusades to yourselves. No one really gives a shit that you like to play good christian. I feel you people are really stupid, dressing up on sundays, singing hallelujah and kyrie elison to your emotionally stunted and imaginary god.
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Post by Sokol on Oct 4, 2011 21:53:42 GMT -5
I didn't think Albanians were actually offended by the word "Shqiptar". I fought that was the Albanian word for "Albanian"? +1
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Post by Sokol on Oct 4, 2011 21:58:57 GMT -5
"Shqiptar" is fine, and is what we call ourselves. Serbs and other slavs, drop the letter "q" and the result is offensive. I don't go around calling people "shkije", our offensive word for serbs, the reminder of what they were to us when they came into Balkan, i.e. "Scythians". Also keep your f**king holy crusades to yourselves. No one really gives a s**t that you like to play good christian. I feel you people are really stupid, dressing up on sundays, singing hallelujah and kyrie elison to your emotionally stunted and imaginary god. easy their shiptar with the religious insults. this is not a religious argument. it is you guys who want an islamic caliphate encompassing the globe. it is the task of the current world powers to stop this.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2011 22:03:33 GMT -5
Tit for Tat. You take it easy with the name calling and I'll ease up on mine. Where in the world did you get this idea that we want some crazed, arabic moon cult from a guy who had a heat stroke on the desert caliphate bullshit? If I have misunderstood something, I withdraw my otherwise hasty words.
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Post by Sokol on Oct 4, 2011 22:07:46 GMT -5
Tit for Tat. You take it easy with the name calling and I'll ease up on mine. Where in the world did you get this idea that we want some crazed, arabic moon cult from a guy who had a heat stroke on the desert caliphate bulls**t? If I have misunderstood something, I withdraw my otherwise hasty words. ok thelema. if it offends you, i will cease to use the word. how 'bout albanian instead? whilst you may not believe in the caliphate, there are others in the balkans that do. just visit one of the many new wahhabi mosques being built and you will see and hear such sentiments.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2011 22:21:20 GMT -5
"shqiptar" is fine, albanian is fine also. I thought you were using "siptar" and that's why I jumped you. If that was not your intention, then I am not above apologizing for what I thought you said which you did not mean.
Obviously, your experience with religion is different from mine. I certainly don't see many muslims but I am sure they are out there. As for their desires, spoken or spoken, to bring about some caliphate in Albania, that will never happen and I would fight that myself. I am willing to respect their delusions, but I prefer would stand up for my freedoms.
Also, I don't find it sincere to cast Albania as a majority muslim country that wants to, en masse, to bring about some hyper caliphate. I think when people say that, they want to foster an image of Albania and Albanians as a "danger", the outsiders and the "others" of Europe. I will always speak up against this.
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