Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 15, 2011 9:46:27 GMT -5
I do not support bastardizations. This results in weaker societies. Therefore i support recognition of minorities.
but most of all, i support a complete re-write of this ocean of lies called "greek history".
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Post by chalkedon on Nov 15, 2011 10:07:31 GMT -5
Niether do I Pyrro, but I dont think in creating minorites will exactly help. Even in Ancient times its not like Greeks never mingled with other neighboring tribes. This has always been the case. I was referring to the Grecomani, Arvanites and Vlachs. The Vlachs are an interesting group, they may very well be latinised Greeks. Those groups are already pretty much Greek, no point in trying to resurect the dead.
I think the best to prevent weaker society is stricter immigration laws and persevernce of traditional values. We have to go back to the roots and use as an example.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 15, 2011 10:25:58 GMT -5
who knows bro, maybe some day God will give us all we need (peace, prosperity, progress, science, engineering, etc...)
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Post by terroreign on Nov 15, 2011 14:42:32 GMT -5
you know that the Serbian church had no "tapias", no rightful documents for ownership of the churches in Macedonia after the WWI conquest. BTW, your Communist Mac-church doesn't have the right "tapias" either. Funny, since the style of Mak churches are *definitely* more close to the Serbian one (heavy use of granite instead of marble, black roofs instead of redish ones, etc...) Some Bulgarian churches remind me of Russian (Alex Nevski), others remind me of Greek (Sv. Nedelja). OTOH, Mak churches seem like totally Serbian. I am not a professional architect or anything, but i guess anyone can witness what i am saying. +1 Any Maco celebrating Slava with a -ski or -ic last name is Serb, this isn't questionable.
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Post by ivo on Nov 15, 2011 15:00:35 GMT -5
^ non compos mentis
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Post by terroreign on Nov 15, 2011 16:43:23 GMT -5
dux mihi veritas
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Post by Sokol on Nov 15, 2011 17:35:22 GMT -5
I dont think minorities are espescially usefull Pyrros. If they have countries of their own, then they should go back if they want to have their own schools and what not. Its not up to us to have our taxes supporting their extracurricular activities. They are in Greece and most of their kin have already been assimlated by us. What would be the point at this time, now, after so many years to teach them who they are. I would say Greece has a strong assimilation policy and I dont necessarily mean forcefull either (although Im sure Il hear about that as well). Taking aside "forcefull" assimilation I have seen so many immigrants that "Self - Assiilate " to our ethnos willingly. We have a talent for that. Even married couples, if one isnt Greek, they usually turn out to be sooner or later And its ok. Go back? To where you dumbarse? The Macedonians are the aboriginals of Aegean Macedonia. Perhaps the Asia-Minor refugess who arrived in the 1920s should go back to where they came from....
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Post by Sokol on Nov 15, 2011 17:43:00 GMT -5
Funny, since the style of Mak churches are *definitely* more close to the Serbian one (heavy use of granite instead of marble, black roofs instead of redish ones, etc...) Some Bulgarian churches remind me of Russian (Alex Nevski), others remind me of Greek (Sv. Nedelja). OTOH, Mak churches seem like totally Serbian. I am not a professional architect or anything, but i guess anyone can witness what i am saying. +1 Any Maco celebrating Slava with a -ski or -ic last name is Serb, this isn't questionable. ahh now here's where you have tripped yourself. in another post you stated southern and eastern r.macedonia were bulgarian. now a little about me, i am from bitola (southern r.macedonia), my surname ends in ski and i celebrate slava....how does that fit into your programmed mind??
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Post by terroreign on Nov 15, 2011 18:04:17 GMT -5
generally speaking the entire country is bulgarian and serbian mixed, the more west and north you go, the less bulgarian and more serb, and vice-versa. however early 20th century uprisings and revolutions have complicated things further...families previously with an -ic got a -ski, and -ov/-ev the same. this also happening in a climate of mass emigration would further mix the previously established ethnic landscape of FYROM.
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Post by Sokol on Nov 15, 2011 18:28:52 GMT -5
the further west, and north-west is albanian, and not any slavic group. Macedonians are a generally in the minority here. Serbs were a minority in these parts at one time, but no longer. The Serbian occupation 1918-1941 did bring in serbian settlers throughout Macedonia. The ruling Serbs even changed the names of the autochnous Macedonians during this time - my family included. When the Bulgars came in 1941, most of these settlers fled Macedonia, and the Serbianisation policies were replaced by Bulgarization policies. At the conclusion of WW2, those settlers did not return to Macedonia. Tito prevented this. Those few Serbs that did remain are still the there today, and countered as part of the Serbian minority of Macedonia. Most Serbs in Macedonia today however are not these settlers, but those original serbs in places like Kumanovo and Skopska Crna Gora. These serbs attempted to create an 'autonomous serbian region of karadak' in the early 1990s that failed miserably.
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Post by terroreign on Nov 15, 2011 18:48:46 GMT -5
the mijaci and brsjaci are serbs and majorly made up the original chetniks...albanians became a presence only during the ottoman era, then had mass immigration during the yugoslav...
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Post by Sokol on Nov 15, 2011 19:45:15 GMT -5
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 16, 2011 2:59:32 GMT -5
"OTOH, Mak churches seem like totally Serbian. I am not a professional architect or anything, but i guess anyone can witness what i am saying." All the historic churches that they salavate over today were built by the Nemanijichi dynasty....why....because the Nemanijichi saw the vardarians as SERBS, hence why for instance Vardarians were naming their male children by their own national name SRBI Pyrro, watch ivo run to excuse it with a petty reasoning LMAO
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Post by chalkedon on Nov 16, 2011 3:51:06 GMT -5
I dont think minorities are espescially usefull Pyrros. If they have countries of their own, then they should go back if they want to have their own schools and what not. Its not up to us to have our taxes supporting their extracurricular activities. They are in Greece and most of their kin have already been assimlated by us. What would be the point at this time, now, after so many years to teach them who they are. I would say Greece has a strong assimilation policy and I dont necessarily mean forcefull either (although Im sure Il hear about that as well). Taking aside "forcefull" assimilation I have seen so many immigrants that "Self - Assiilate " to our ethnos willingly. We have a talent for that. Even married couples, if one isnt Greek, they usually turn out to be sooner or later And its ok. Go back? To where you dumbarse? The Macedonians are the aboriginals of Aegean Macedonia. Perhaps the Asia-Minor refugess who arrived in the 1920s should go back to where they came from.... Aboriginals ? Aegean Macedonia ? You show me Slav villages close to the Aegean. This has been one of the most misused terms that you people continue to parrot around. There were and are Greeks in Macedonia (even before the Asia Minor Greeks), along with Vlachs, Jews, hell and even some Albanians. Where you people have the audacity to think that land is exclusive to you is beyond me. So, like I said you can either stay in Greece or since your people now have republic of their own they can go to FYROM if they want their own schools. Il be damned if I have to pay for that.
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Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 16, 2011 5:48:55 GMT -5
Chalke, can't you see that those b1tches are used by the great powers to cause inter greko-slavic hostility ? Same way that they use our supposed "nationalists" We should let all those aside and concentrate on cooperation. Greeks are greeks. period. We have a fine language, very powerful and expressive with loads of literature written on it. Maks OTOH are a good simple ppl with all the virtues of the slavs but with tones of idiocy as well. Both nations are played heavily by the big powers (and big deceivers)
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Post by chalkedon on Nov 16, 2011 6:30:10 GMT -5
I really have no problem with Slavo-Macs and i agree that big powers have been pinning us against each other. Its just now its taken a dimension of its own, espescially within the diaspora. They actually believe the BS thats been fed to them and most of them are second generation kids that never went through the hardships our Grandparents went through. Its retarded.
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Post by terroreign on Nov 16, 2011 14:13:15 GMT -5
^hypocritical tranny
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Post by chalkedon on Nov 16, 2011 14:58:38 GMT -5
where did you see the hypocricy ?
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Post by Sokol on Nov 16, 2011 17:33:02 GMT -5
I really have no problem with Slavo-Macs and i agree that big powers have been pinning us against each other. Its just now its taken a dimension of its own, espescially within the diaspora. They actually believe the BS thats been fed to them and most of them are second generation kids that never went through the hardships our Grandparents went through. Its retarded. Relax Chalke. We do not deny our Slavic past. We however also do not deny our ancient past. The two are not mutually exclusive as you guys like to believe. Macedonia was not a baron desert when the Slavs arrived. We are the product of the intermingling of the various peoples inhabiting Macedonia. Once the name issue is resolved, the minority problem becomes easier to resolve, as does the Church issue. There is promise!
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Post by kroraina on Nov 23, 2011 6:16:44 GMT -5
Chentovist, have a look at today's "Utrinski vesnik" and the article "Не можеа да дозволат „Македонија“ да биде првак на Бугарија" with the memories of FC "Makedonija" by Trajko Stamatoski - www.utrinski.com.mk/?ItemID=E83948817FC5054E978555A30D4CBD43Check especially the last paragraph: А тимот „Македонија“ постоел и по војната и играл се' до 1947 година. Веднаш по војната „Македонија“ играл со „Црвена ѕвезда“ и ја победил 4:1. Се појавиле и други тимови и во 1947 година, кога баш и не било пријатно да се слуша на трибините „Уа Македонија!“, се присоединиле „Македонија“ и тимот „Победа“ и бил создаден „Вардар“. "And the team "Makedonija" existed even after the war and it played up to 1947. Once after the war "Makedonija" played with "Crvena zvezda" (from Belgrade) and won 4:1. Other teams appeared as well and in 1947, when it was not exactly pleasant to hear from the stands "Uaaa Makedonija!", FC "Makedonija" was joined with "Pobeda" and FC "Vardar" was created."
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