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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 14, 2011 1:06:48 GMT -5
"i think we both agree that the serbs have no legitimate claim on macedonia. their brief rule, and it's aftermath ie., Krali Marko etc., were but brief moments in Macedonia's long history."
Serbs have NO legitimate claim at all? In your opinion you believe BuLgari have more legitimate claims to Vardar, l want you to explain and go into further detail about your ridiculous claim. Secondly, are you admitting Kraljevich Marko is a Serb?
PS Macedonia's long history, who are you kidding here, the BuLgari? Vardar practically hasn't really got a history.
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Post by derk on Nov 14, 2011 4:49:38 GMT -5
^What? You claiming that serbs have more claim in macedonia than bulgarians is even more ridiculous. By saying long history of Macedonia, Chento has probably meant the history of the geographical region, not FYROM and in that case, he is right. Region of Macedonia has a long history...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 14, 2011 5:00:55 GMT -5
Prob is that till 100 years ago,
- Vardarska Makedonia - Northern Greece - Bulgaria
had *ONLY* Serbian national heroes, regarding medieval years and later.
Also the presence of SERBIAN monuments in FYROM, Greece are *BY FAR* more numerous than the Bulgarian monuments (if any). Signature of the greatest Balkan Emperor (Stefan Dusan) is found in Megalo Meteoro (in a sea of Serbian toponyms : Monastery "ZAVLAD"-ion, Dupjanj, etc etc) . Nothing Byzantine Roman, nothing Bulgarian.
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Post by derk on Nov 14, 2011 5:09:40 GMT -5
^Gyros, you miss out a very important element tho. The population itself is bulgarians. If they had many serbian heroes it doesn't mean macedonia is serbian land... It means you guys helped macedonia. Its like the arvanite-greece case. But albanians don't claim all of greece as theirs. Or Dusan example... It means serb conquered macedonia in the past. It gives them no more right than the ottoman turks since they also conquered Macedonia. The population is bulgarian, therefore, it is a bulgarian land.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 14, 2011 5:16:02 GMT -5
Its like having a scientist prove to an idiot that the earth is not flat, only to have the idiot coming back with " you miss out a very important element tho. The earth is flat".
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Post by derk on Nov 14, 2011 5:17:30 GMT -5
^Refrain from insulting other members. This goes into the insult book too . Plus, Macedonia IS inhabited by Bulgars (aside from the large albanian minority). You gave a very flawed example.
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Post by Moe Lester on Nov 14, 2011 5:17:53 GMT -5
^^Great debating Pyrros, it's no surprise you're posts don't get deleted
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Post by ivo on Nov 14, 2011 11:10:22 GMT -5
Serbia's claims on Macedonia only came about in the very late 1800's to the early 1900's when Serbia's government realized that Republika Srpska was lost to the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
Instead of fighting to liberate the lands that are truly Serbian (ie. RS), Serbia figured that it would be easier to take Macedonia while Bulgaria was still weak, divided, and struggling to rid itself of the Ottomans.. hence the Serbo-Bulgarian War (1885).
Prior to that no Serb ever though about claiming anything in Macedonia.
Macedonia does have a history. It's shared with Bulgaria.
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Post by SKORIC on Nov 14, 2011 12:06:57 GMT -5
Macos these days are claiming that we are all (Serbs, Bulgarians and the rest of the balkan slavs) descendents of them, not the other way around
This is what some have said to me lol
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Post by derk on Nov 14, 2011 12:15:18 GMT -5
^Skoric, every nation in the balkans have a small group of idiots who claim everything. I am sure not all macedonians agree with what you said.
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Post by SKORIC on Nov 14, 2011 12:26:25 GMT -5
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Post by derk on Nov 14, 2011 12:37:09 GMT -5
^what is the meaning of that link, I don't understand. Care to explain?
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Post by ivo on Nov 14, 2011 12:39:04 GMT -5
It's not surprising, the history that is being taught in their schools these days is completely different than the history being taught everywhere else.
Anyway, about 1/4 of Bulgarians can trace their roots to the geographic region of Macedonia, though they identify as ethnic Bulgarians.
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Post by SKORIC on Nov 14, 2011 12:39:54 GMT -5
Black evangelicalists from Dallas have claimed Macedonia as their own.
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Post by derk on Nov 14, 2011 12:48:36 GMT -5
^ LoL ;D
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Post by Sokol on Nov 14, 2011 18:45:38 GMT -5
Pyrros and Novi - you cannot challenge the glory of VMRO. Most Macedonians today have memories of relatives that were VMRO fighters. Our major political parties claim continuity of VMRO. Sorry, but anything you bring to the table does not compare... www.angelfire.com/super2/vmro-istorija/index.htmlThe younger generation, go even crazier for Alexander and the ancient Macedonians. Serbian propaganda is dead. Turbo-folk and slutty Serb popstars only go so far....
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 15, 2011 0:42:01 GMT -5
^ yes, there was Serbian propaganda in Vardar, but not to the extreme extent of the BuLgari, Serbian propaganda was run through the 'Regency', l bet you and the BuLgari didn't know this, hence why l'm a moderator here, l like truth and l speak truth, l don't manipulate information, like you and the scumbag BuLgari. When l present information, they are fact, NOT PROPAGANDA, hence why BuLgari hate me here because l get straight to their disguisting hearts!
Lets look through the eyes of the Vardarians, here is a Vardarian FACT about the Serbianess of their own people, FACT from this quote tells them and me they are nothing other than SERBS:
Vilayet of Veles, village of Jabolchiste:
„Novak Burhanin,; Tome Belche, Bogche, Todor, son of Belche; Hrchko, brother of Pecko; Pejo, son of Danche, Vlkashin, Srbin; Gjurash, Srbin, Rade Stari; Dojchin, his son; Gjorgjo, son of Rade; Rale Momchil; Hrlo, son of Dapko; Brajko, son of Kovach; Ivan; Stale,son of Stojan; Rale, son of Stojan; Stepan, Srbin; Dabe; Pejchin, son of Rade...†(Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 143)
village of Dobrushevo, Vilayet of Prilep:
„Bogdan Srbin; Marko, his son, Dimitri son of Gruban...Dimitri son of Srbin; Todor son of Srbin, Pejo son of Rajcho... (Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 60)
village of Sopotnica, northwest from Krushevo:
â€Ivanish Stale; Stanisha Mano; Petko, Srbin; Petar, Srbin; Stajko Srbin...„ (Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 540)
village of Divjaci, northwest od Krushevo:
â€Jandro, Srbin; Miho son of Srbin; Dimitri son of Srbin, Petko son of the priest...„ (Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 541)
village of Volkoselo, nahiya of Prilep;
â€Bogavec, Srbin; Stanisha son in law of Bogdan...Stanisha, Srbin; Pejo, son of Tonchin...„ (Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 95)
PS Does everybody see that the Vardarians were naming their MALE children *Serb* and not the disguisting name BuLgarin. Serbs north of todays Vardar never ever had such a naming phenomeon!
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 15, 2011 0:45:59 GMT -5
"Its like having a scientist prove to an idiot that the earth is not flat, only to have the idiot coming back with " you miss out a very important element tho. The earth is flat".
Exactly Pyrro, one day brate these stupid idiots will regret what they had said.
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Post by Sokol on Nov 15, 2011 0:51:59 GMT -5
^ yes, there was Serbian propaganda in Vardar, but not to the extreme extent of the Bu Lgari, Serbian propaganda was run through the 'Regency', l bet you and the Bu Lgari didn't know this, hence why l'm a moderator here, l like truth and l speak truth, l don't manipulate information, like you and the scumbag Bu Lgari. When l present information, they are fact, NOT PROPAGANDA, hence why Bu Lgari hate me here because l get straight to their disguisting hearts! Lets look through the eyes of the Vardarians, here is a Vardarian FACT about the Serbianess of their own people, FACT from this quote tells them and me they are nothing other than SERBS: Vilayet of Veles, village of Jabolchiste: „Novak Burhanin,; Tome Belche, Bogche, Todor, son of Belche; Hrchko, brother of Pecko; Pejo, son of Danche, Vlkashin, Srbin; Gjurash, Srbin, Rade Stari; Dojchin, his son; Gjorgjo, son of Rade; Rale Momchil; Hrlo, son of Dapko; Brajko, son of Kovach; Ivan; Stale,son of Stojan; Rale, son of Stojan; Stepan, Srbin; Dabe; Pejchin, son of Rade...†(Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 143) village of Dobrushevo, Vilayet of Prilep: „Bogdan Srbin; Marko, his son, Dimitri son of Gruban...Dimitri son of Srbin; Todor son of Srbin, Pejo son of Rajcho... (Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 60)
village of Sopotnica, northwest from Krushevo: â€Ivanish Stale; Stanisha Mano; Petko, Srbin; Petar, Srbin; Stajko Srbin...„ (Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 540)village of Divjaci, northwest od Krushevo: â€Jandro, Srbin; Miho son of Srbin; Dimitri son of Srbin, Petko son of the priest...„ (Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 541)village of Volkoselo, nahiya of Prilep; â€Bogavec, Srbin; Stanisha son in law of Bogdan...Stanisha, Srbin; Pejo, son of Tonchin...„ (Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 95)PS Does everybody see that the Vardarians were naming their MALE children *Serb* and not the disguisting name Bu Lgarin. Serbs north of todays Vardar never ever had such a naming phenomeon! Personal names don't prove shit. Are you saying that today's trend of English names proves we are English?? Also note, there are lot's of Macedonians with names like Krume, Simeon, Boris, even surnames such as Asenovski etc...careful with the points you're trying to make....
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Post by ivo on Nov 15, 2011 1:03:30 GMT -5
This is absolutely uncalled for.
Preposterous commentary. Really not necessary.
This is just low, at least spell the words right. This is second time you've misspelled the word 'disgusting'. Anittas, aren't you the un-official moderator of spelling? I know you got the hots for Pazar, but be a dear and help your buddy out.
Conclusion.. Pazar == a hypocrite of low intellect
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