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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 15, 2011 1:07:01 GMT -5
^ I don't need to be careful Chento, they are FACTS that PRIOR to the Exarchos the Vardarians were naming their male children by their OWN NATION. This Asen, Krum happened during and AFTER the Bulgariansing period from 1872 onwards.
PS Don't temp me into talking about the Toponym SERB in Vardar, there are many places. WITH THE SUPPOSEDLY LONG BULGARIAN TIME IN VARDAR WHY ISN'T THERE A PLACE CALLED BULGARIN, BUT SRBINOVO ETC......
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Post by ivo on Nov 15, 2011 1:11:22 GMT -5
The explanation is the same as of the following quote..
What you posted is merely proof of some Serb presence in Macedonia, ie. a minority. They felt the need to distinguish themselves in a non-Serb majority.
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Post by terroreign on Nov 15, 2011 1:26:56 GMT -5
Serbs have impact an irreplaceable on the region of FYROM. serb tribes dragoviti and berziti settled there in the 7th century, serb toponyms, names, the slava, birth of the chetniks and its folklore are all a testament to that. the northern slav fyromacs are undoubtedly majority serb origin, while the south and east majorly bulgarian (due to centuries of bulgarian rule & settlement in the 11th to 13th centuries, and then alot of bulgarization during the reign of the bulgarian exarchate. so i'd accept that a chunk of modern FYROM today is bulgarian.
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Post by Moe Lester on Nov 15, 2011 1:29:37 GMT -5
Honest question: Why are the Dragoviti and Berziti Serb tribes. But THE Serb tribe is called a Serb tribe. So why not call these just Serbs if they're Serbs? Seems unnecessary to name two tribes something different if they're Serb tribes.
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Post by terroreign on Nov 15, 2011 1:39:55 GMT -5
it's a complex question, but with the knowledge that such insights were reported usually by second hand sources (roman historians, byzantines), a logical explanation would have to be that they named the serb tribes they knew the names of, and the tribes they didn't (know the names of), they simply labeled "Serb tribes" (as on the maps).
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 15, 2011 1:40:21 GMT -5
^ A minority would have been present in ONE ENCLAVE ONLY, but the Vardarian QUOTE TELLS IT WAS A PHENOMENON ALL OVER VARDAR:
Prilep (South Vardar) Veles (Central Vardar) Krushevo (South West Vardar)
It disproves your little theory or BuLgarski theory of North-Western corner of Vardar (tetovo region) where some serbs may have only inhabited.
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Post by Moe Lester on Nov 15, 2011 1:58:44 GMT -5
it's a complex question, but with the knowledge that such insights were reported usually by second hand sources (roman historians, byzantines), a logical explanation would have to be that they named the serb tribes they knew the names of, and the tribes they didn't (know the names of), they simply labeled "Serb tribes" (as on the maps). But according to some Serbs (maybe most), they are the Serbs from Germania who settled into the Balkans. So they were called Serbs before they arrived to the Balkans (allegedly). This map shows other slavic tribes, but the Croats and The Serbs are the largest. But there is also a tribe called "Slavs" on the map. And "Diokletians" are Serbs as well, from what I was told. This map hardly makes any sense. Who is the author?
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Post by terroreign on Nov 15, 2011 2:19:49 GMT -5
serbs are widely accepted to be in that time to be a wide collection of tribes (each with it's own name) and not just one. it's confusing because as i said, it's from 2nd hand accounts in a rather ignorant time.
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Post by Moe Lester on Nov 15, 2011 2:21:30 GMT -5
WHY IS THE BALKANS SO MESSED UP?!
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 15, 2011 3:19:02 GMT -5
WHY IS THE BALKANS SO MESSED UP?! maybe because idiotic westerners like you try to interfere all the time?
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Post by Moe Lester on Nov 15, 2011 3:31:34 GMT -5
If it wasn't for westerners Serbs would be telling us they're the descendants Alexander the Great.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 15, 2011 3:46:16 GMT -5
If it wasn't for westerners Serbs would be telling us they're the descendants Alexander the Great. No, they have plenty of History much better than Alex, Napoleon, Gengis Khan and other such warmongers.
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Post by Moe Lester on Nov 15, 2011 3:56:46 GMT -5
Yeah, Ratko Mladic, Milosevic. But seriously. Western Europe, not to be offensive, has better history, better contributions, better military, better academics, lest conspiracy theorists. And have had empires (including colonial). Pretty much the only Eastern European countries I think come close to Western ones are Russia (definitely), Poland, , Hungary and Greece (definitely). And maybe Czech Republic.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 15, 2011 4:27:57 GMT -5
Oh no..... Not again.... Slobo and Ratko never got convicted, even by a blatantly biased and anti-serb instrument such as the Hague tribunal. Anyways, regardless what west did or did not, i do not care, i dont have an opinion and therefore i do not interfere. You should mimic me and stop interfering into things you do not know/understand/love or care. Your interest is simply not welcome. Get the f**k out of here.
PS Idiot, Serbia would kick the ass of any balkan nation (Greece included) in just a few hours. Your admiration for Greece is equally harmful (for Greece) as your hate for Serbia. As a rule of thumb, generally, lies, deception, hatred or faked love, all of them are harmful.
Now idiot, this is my last message to you. You better find a good way to answer.
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Post by Moe Lester on Nov 15, 2011 4:54:22 GMT -5
Serbia may win against Croatia, Macedonia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Slovenia 1v1. But against Bulgaria, Turkey and Greece 1v1 Serbia would probably lose. And if I mimicked you, I would get banned for "not following the rules".
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Post by ivo on Nov 15, 2011 15:05:31 GMT -5
False.
1. This merely shows a Serb presence (ie. a minority) in various parts of Macedonia, which is truth. The North Western part of Macedonia has the highest concentration of Serbs, however, they're not isolated to that one region.
2. Let's not forget the intensive Serb propaganda to prove that everything in Macedonia was Serbian, a lot of time and effort had gone toward styling Macedonia as "Southern Serbia" and the locals as "Southern Serbs".
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Post by Sokol on Nov 15, 2011 17:30:00 GMT -5
Yes, Novi keeps re-hashing these age-old serbian fairy tales that were used in the 18th and 19th century by the serbian academy of arts and sciences. Macedonia was lost to Serbia in 1941, and lost to Bulgaria in 1945...both states need to move on...
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Post by srbobran on Nov 15, 2011 18:13:47 GMT -5
Its kinda unfair to compare nations like Germany or France to Serbia. They outnumber us by at least 12:1, its not surprising that Western achievements would be greater. I'd say, considering our small size, Serbs have a pretty solid history and track record of scientific contributions.
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Post by derk on Nov 15, 2011 18:20:36 GMT -5
Belgium and Holland aren't that populated. This disproves your population ratio alone.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 16, 2011 2:25:47 GMT -5
"Yes, Novi keeps re-hashing these age-old serbian fairy tales that were used in the 18th and 19th century by the serbian academy of arts and sciences. Macedonia was lost to Serbia in 1941, and lost to Bulgaria in 1945...both states need to move on..."
Chento, are you so deluded? Look again below and READ this source, its your own Vardarian information:
Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 143
It CLEARLY states that Vardarians were NAMING their male children according to their nation (Serbia) and not Macedonia or that ugly name BuLgarska.
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