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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 1, 2011 7:24:55 GMT -5
^ His going to one day realise brate that his made a fool of himself. He should research, as l did regarding, the Vardarian people (historically), for example: it really enlighted me and it showed me that everything that is spewed about them is 99.9% wrong and inaccurate. I think Moe should question his current position about the Balkans, he should go to the library and think like a neutral person; today he will be pro-croat or tomorrow he will be pro-serb etc....and weigh things up.
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Post by Moe Lester on Dec 1, 2011 7:34:56 GMT -5
My question still hasn't been answered
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 1, 2011 8:24:14 GMT -5
^ His going to one day realise brate that his made a fool of himself. He should research, as l did regarding, the Vardarian people (historically), for example: it really enlighted me and it showed me that everything that is spewed about them is 99.9% wrong and inaccurate. I think Moe should question his current position about the Balkans, he should go to the library and think like a neutral person; today he will be pro-croat or tomorrow he will be pro-serb etc....and weigh things up. the lil boy is just a parrot. Useful but rarely truly valuable.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Dec 1, 2011 8:28:23 GMT -5
And yet another thread gets revived about the Kosovo Serbia Bosnia shit.
Just do a thread with Serbian and Bosnian guys with their tops off or whatever instead of this shit all the time.
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Post by atdhetar on Dec 1, 2011 9:46:30 GMT -5
same old outdated drivel from the serbian contingent trying to restore some dignity to their battered reputation, which often seems like they are clutching at straws and get caught up in technicalities rather than admit their guilt and move on, the serbian sponsored genocide in bosnia and kosovo is internationally acknowledged and well documented, it is an undeniable fact that will stain the serbian image for decades to come, there are no gray areas, there are no ambiguities or inconsistencies, the world media didn't have a bone to pick with serbs, serbs make it seem like there is some sort of a conspiracy or plot to bring about their demise, like there is some sinister agenda to demonise the serbian people, even though the evidence is stacked against them and it is so compelling.
maybe, to a certain extent, stories were exaggerated and were blown up, i'll give you that one, but it doesn't take away from the fact that serbs built concentration camps, serbs committed attrocities, serbs committed genocide, serbs were the instigators, serbs dug up mass graves, serbs did ungodly things.
to use which side the barbed wise was nailed in that fence as an excuse to claim that these compounds were a hoax or staged in order to convince the world that serbs were committing crimes against humanity, is not short of lunacy, and how you people buy into all of that is beyond me, using flimsy, pathetic evidence to claim that there were no such camps in order to make yourself feel better is delusional and living in denial.
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Post by SKORIC on Dec 1, 2011 9:50:33 GMT -5
lol, i cracked up when he said ' the dude had a caved in rig cage because of a childhood disease ' , what was wrong with his legs then? he seemed to collapse and could barely stand up Apart from being nudged to the front and kneeling on the ground he was standing up fine. you're clutching at insignificant points, the narrator pointed out his rib cage because it was deformed saying it looked like a perfect shot for penny marshal, but this isnt a significant point in the video. My question still hasn't been answered There is nothing to say, there were a shitload of allegations throughout the war put forward by the media, not all have definate answers. The point of this video is to show these allegations should always be questioned and cant always be trusted.
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Post by atdhetar on Dec 1, 2011 10:01:37 GMT -5
Apart from being nudged to the front and kneeling on the ground he was standing up fine. you're clutching at insignificant points, the narrator pointed out his rib cage because it was deformed saying it looked like a perfect shot for penny marshal, but this isnt a significant point in the video. of course you would interpret that as insignificant. malnourished, detained, tortured and slaughtered are mere technicalities to you. what allegations? that video is very conclusive and undeniable, you are the ones that are nit-picking, talking about doctored photos, those people were killed and thrown in a hole but you complain about how harsh it made you look in the eyes of the world, is there any common sense left in you people?
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 1, 2011 10:02:29 GMT -5
Also, the photo and documentary is about the Trnopolje camp. Yeh ive read from different sources some say Trnopolje camp others say Omarska camp, but i was never sure which one. Are you sure it was the Trnopolje camp? emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/missing.htmemperors-clothes.com/Film/judge.htmemperors-clothes.com/villainy.htmHere are more details about the whole affair. Keep in mind that Jared Israel was one of the two that made the documentary. same old outdated drivel from the serbian contingent trying to restore some dignity to their battered reputation, which often seems like they are clutching at straws and get caught up in technicalities rather than admit their guilt and move on, the serbian sponsored genocide in bosnia and kosovo is internationally acknowledged and well documented, it is an undeniable fact that will stain the serbian image for decades to come, there are no gray areas, there are no ambiguities or inconsistencies, the world media didn't have a bone to pick with serbs, serbs make it seem like there is some sort of a conspiracy or plot to bring about their demise, like there is some sinister agenda to demonise the serbian people, even though the evidence is stacked against them and it is so compelling. maybe, to a certain extent, stories were exaggerated and were blown up, i'll give you that one, but it doesn't take away from the fact that serbs built concentration camps, serbs committed attrocities, serbs committed genocide, serbs were the instigators, serbs dug up mass graves, serbs did ungodly things. to use which side the barbed wise was nailed in that fence as an excuse to claim that these compounds were a hoax or staged in order to convince the world that serbs were committing crimes against humanity, is not short of lunacy, and how you people buy into all of that is beyond me, using flimsy, pathetic evidence to claim that there were no such camps in order to make yourself feel better is delusional and living in denial. The war in Bosnia killed less than three percent of the overall population and the majority of those that died were soldiers. The majority of the civilian deaths were in border areas that experienced heavy fighting. That doesn't sound like a genocide to me. The war in Kosovo. Well, that isn't really worth mentioning. Less than a tenth of a percent of the population in Kosovo died and most of them were soldiers. Also, if Serbs committed genocide then all other sides committed genocide. Turks and Croats had camps and detention facilities. Shqiptars have also operated detention facilities. My advice to you is to not throw stones in a glasshouse.
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Post by atdhetar on Dec 1, 2011 10:03:28 GMT -5
that's like saying 'the western media man, they are trying to mislead people, they're always twisting the truth man' , 'those people were not slaughtered, they were shot at close range', as if using a gun is more humane.
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Post by Moe Lester on Dec 1, 2011 10:04:18 GMT -5
There is nothing to say, there were a s**tload of allegations throughout the war put forward by the media, not all have definate answers. The point of this video is to show these allegations should always be questioned and cant always be trusted. So no one died, no one was raped, no one was denied healthy living conditions and enough food at Omarska camp, and 9 people were wrongly convicted of the crimes charged against them? All because the media, somehow, decides who is guilty or innocent at the trials.
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Post by atdhetar on Dec 1, 2011 10:14:32 GMT -5
The war in Bosnia killed less than three percent of the overall population and the majority of those that died were soldiers. The majority of the civilian deaths were in border areas that experienced heavy fighting. That doesn't sound like a genocide to me. The war in Kosovo. Well, that isn't really worth mentioning. Less than a tenth of a percent of the population in Kosovo died and most of them were soldiers. Also, if Serbs committed genocide then all other sides committed genocide. Turks and Croats had camps and detention facilities. Shqiptars have also operated detention facilities. My advice to you is to not throw stones in a glasshouse. now you're just trivialising genocide, lol, its not really genocide if we only wasted 3% of the population, at what point does it become worth mentioning to you? that's not how an adult reasons. do you guys have a response as to why the 'evil western media' portrayed you the way it did? do you, for a fleeting moment, ever consider that they might hae been reporting what they saw? its like a pupeteer show, like someone was pulling the strings, staging concentration camps, planting mass graves, fabricating and concocting stories to incriminate innocent serbs, who are the real culprit of these murdered people if it wasn't the serbs? what is this huge conpiracy against serbs? why this astronomical effort to ruin serbs? i don't deny there was crimes that were committed from all sides, however they were in response to serbian genocide, i do not endorse any crimes by any side but serb actions were far and beyond what anyone else was doing, the horrors that serbs were guilty of are on par with hell, how you gonna waste entire villages just because they are muslims? that's smth that happens in sudan or sentral africa.
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 1, 2011 10:19:05 GMT -5
The war in Bosnia killed less than three percent of the overall population and the majority of those that died were soldiers. The majority of the civilian deaths were in border areas that experienced heavy fighting. That doesn't sound like a genocide to me. The war in Kosovo. Well, that isn't really worth mentioning. Less than a tenth of a percent of the population in Kosovo died and most of them were soldiers. Also, if Serbs committed genocide then all other sides committed genocide. Turks and Croats had camps and detention facilities. Shqiptars have also operated detention facilities. My advice to you is to not throw stones in a glasshouse. now you're just trivialising genocide, lol, its not really genocide if we only wasted 3% of the population, at what point does it become worth mentioning to you? that's not how an adult reasons. do you guys have a response as to why the 'evil western media' portrayed you the way it did? do you, for a fleeting moment, ever consider that they might hae been reporting what they saw? its like a pupeteer show, like someone was pulling the strings, staging concentration camps, planting mass graves, fabricating and concocting stories to incriminate innocent serbs, who are the real culprit of these murdered people if it wasn't the serbs? what is this huge conpiracy against serbs? why this astronomical effort to ruin serbs? i don't deny there was crimes that were committed from all sides, however they were in response to serbian genocide, i do not endorse any crimes by any side but serb actions were far and beyond what anyone else was doing, the horrors that serbs were guilty of are on par with hell, how you gonna waste entire villages just because they are muslims? that's smth that happens in sudan or sentral africa. You're clutching at straws, Shqiptar. I know you're desperate to find something, anything, to hold up as "proof" of Serbs doing systematic evil but you just won't find anything. And revealing your ignorance about recent past events won't help your cause either.
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Post by SKORIC on Dec 1, 2011 10:21:16 GMT -5
There is nothing to say, there were a s**tload of allegations throughout the war put forward by the media, not all have definate answers. The point of this video is to show these allegations should always be questioned and cant always be trusted. So no one died, no one was raped, no one was denied healthy living conditions and enough food at Omarska camp, and 9 people were wrongly convicted of the crimes charged against them? All because the media, somehow, decides who is guilty or innocent at the trials. try reading what i said properly. i think i have to spell out what was actually said in the video. Mehmet: i think its very fine, nothing wrong, its very hot..? Penny Marshal: do you sleep outside? Mehmet: no no inside Penny Marshal: do they treat you badly? Mehmet: no its very fine Penny Marshal: how'd you come here are you a fighter? Mehmet: with a bus Penny Marshal: you came voluntarily? are you a fighter? Mehmet: no Penny Marshal: they came to your house and took you? Mehmet: yes Penny Marshal: Do you feel safe here? Mehmet: i think its very safe.. but its very hot.. other things is fine Penny Marshal: this man is very thin Mehmet: yes he's very thin but everyones different other reporter: (cant hear most of it) are you imprisoned or could you go? Mehmet: this is a refugee camp not a prison camp other reporter: right but if you wanted to get on a bus and go to banja luka could you do that this afternoon? Mehmet: i think it depends on the civil government Penny Marshal: you cannot leave here? Mehmet: no not now Penny Marshal: where are the women and children? Mehmet: in the house that way other reporter: (asking something about not being able to leave) Mehmet: its not a prison camp, its a refugee camp, simple
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 1, 2011 10:50:41 GMT -5
try reading what i said properly. hardly, Moe Lested will resort to the usual logic-distortions, violating any law of logic at any chance. He is so cheap and ultra predictive.
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Post by atdhetar on Dec 1, 2011 10:53:19 GMT -5
You're clutching at straws, Shqiptar. I know you're desperate to find something, anything, to hold up as "proof" of Serbs doing systematic evil but you just won't find anything. you mean the mountain of evidence and endless survivor testimonies? the land littered with mass graves? admissions by perpetrators? the existence of death squads sent from belgrade? the arkan tigres licence to kill? actual filmed footage? other than the above, what more would you require?
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Post by atdhetar on Dec 1, 2011 11:23:10 GMT -5
i think i have to spell out what was actually said in the video. Mehmet: i think its very fine, nothing wrong, its very hot..? Penny Marshal: do you sleep outside? Mehmet: its not a prison camp, its a refugee camp, simple was he supposed to say he was being mistreated and not fed? well, you just poked a massive hole in your theory without realising it, if this entire camp was staged then why does the prisoner say he was being treated fairly and humanely by the serbs? surely the objective here was to demonise serbs, the second inconsistency, if that guy was truly impressed so much with the way he was being treated? then why did the crowd push the skinny guy forward, trying to show the worl what was really going on.
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 1, 2011 12:42:26 GMT -5
You're clutching at straws, Shqiptar. I know you're desperate to find something, anything, to hold up as "proof" of Serbs doing systematic evil but you just won't find anything. you mean the mountain of evidence and endless survivor testimonies? the land littered with mass graves? admissions by perpetrators? the existence of death squads sent from belgrade? the arkan tigres licence to kill? actual filmed footage? other than the above, what more would you require? You're referring to the so-called evidence produced by Kandic concerning Srebrenica, yes? That shows the massacring of POWs.
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Post by uz on Dec 1, 2011 13:27:35 GMT -5
So no one died, no one was raped, no one was denied healthy living conditions and enough food at Omarska camp, and 9 people were wrongly convicted of the crimes charged against them? All because the media, somehow, decides who is guilty or innocent at the trials. try reading what i said properly. i think i have to spell out what was actually said in the video. Mehmet: i think its very fine, nothing wrong, its very hot..? Penny Marshal: do you sleep outside? Mehmet: no no inside Penny Marshal: do they treat you badly? Mehmet: no its very fine Penny Marshal: how'd you come here are you a fighter? Mehmet: with a bus Penny Marshal: you came voluntarily? are you a fighter? Mehmet: no Penny Marshal: they came to your house and took you? Mehmet: yes Penny Marshal: Do you feel safe here? Mehmet: i think its very safe.. but its very hot.. other things is fine Penny Marshal: this man is very thin Mehmet: yes he's very thin but everyones different other reporter: (cant hear most of it) are you imprisoned or could you go? Mehmet: this is a refugee camp not a prison camp other reporter: right but if you wanted to get on a bus and go to banja luka could you do that this afternoon? Mehmet: i think it depends on the civil government Penny Marshal: you cannot leave here? Mehmet: no not now Penny Marshal: where are the women and children? Mehmet: in the house that way other reporter: (asking something about not being able to leave) Mehmet: its not a prison camp, its a refugee camp, simple So I`m not the only one struggling with people who have comprehension problems I see....
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 1, 2011 16:55:05 GMT -5
Abuses probably did occur in the detainment facilities. Abuse occurs in American prisons but nobody's calling it a genocide.
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Post by atdhetar on Dec 1, 2011 17:44:01 GMT -5
perhaps you have a hard time grasping the concept of genocide, what you described is torture
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