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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 1, 2011 19:33:48 GMT -5
Novus, you say everybody had detention camps, fine, but Albanians went one step further, they actually murdered and extracted organs
PS Does Moe Lester know or will he just turn a blind eye and continue to defend his pre-defined stance.
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Post by SKORIC on Dec 1, 2011 19:43:19 GMT -5
i think i have to spell out what was actually said in the video. Mehmet: i think its very fine, nothing wrong, its very hot..? Penny Marshal: do you sleep outside? Mehmet: its not a prison camp, its a refugee camp, simple was he supposed to say he was being mistreated and not fed? well, you just poked a massive hole in your theory without realising it, if this entire camp was staged then why does the prisoner say he was being treated fairly and humanely by the serbs? surely the objective here was to demonise serbs, the second inconsistency, if that guy was truly impressed so much with the way he was being treated? then why did the crowd push the skinny guy forward, trying to show the worl what was really going on. Ill spell it out for you one more time. The british reporters went into a storage area in the refugee camp (which you can see if you watch the full doco) the muslims came over but none of them could speak english, they then brought mehmet over to talk with the reporters. The questions then followed which you can see in the video. What you seem to think we're implying is that the entire scene and camp was a complete set up for this video? "if this entire camp was staged then why does the prisoner say he was being treated fairly and humanely by the serbs? surely the objective here was to demonise serbs" This just proves you're not even paying attention. This video wasnt shown anywhere in the media, only pictures were. This video was shot from a team completely seperate from the british reporters, standing to the right of them. Do you get it now?
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Post by Moe Lester on Dec 1, 2011 20:15:57 GMT -5
try reading what i said properly. The media did blow things out of proportion, but when the trial was happening, the court didn't use the media, they did there own investigations and found the people they believed to be responsible guilty. The media only sways personal opinion, not fact.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 1, 2011 20:55:50 GMT -5
^ So in your opinion, then, who is guilty of crimes against humanity?
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Post by Moe Lester on Dec 1, 2011 21:37:04 GMT -5
Whoever committed them.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 2, 2011 1:06:49 GMT -5
try reading what i said properly. The media did blow things out of proportion, but when the trial was happening, the court didn't use the media, they did there own investigations and found the people they believed to be responsible guilty. The media only sways personal opinion, not fact. BS, media can apply SO MUCH pressure, that : 1) investigations are never done 2) real witnesses DO NOT testify 3) false and crazy witnesses are the only ones to testify (as Germinal Civikov has proved in his book) 4) etc.... Just some points about the hague tribunal : 1) Americans are by written definition EXCLUDED from any trial 2) Europeans are by oral, implicit support EXCLUDED from any trial 3) Serbs without evidence but some silly false accusations have been tried for 20+years 4) Naser Oric, who has killed over 4,000 Serb children and women (=GENOCIDE) and not srebrenica which was about killing of 2000 MEN, and who has bragged in a video about slaughtering Serbs, was set free (he did only 2 years in prison, or smth...) Given the above, is there anyone here who STILL does not believe that the whole thing is a silly set up fiasco?
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Post by Moe Lester on Dec 2, 2011 4:44:37 GMT -5
So it's genocide when the "enemy" does it, but casualties of war when the Bosnian Serb Army does it? You never seem to make sense Pyrros. I think that's where some people on this forum get annoyed by your posts.
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Post by atdhetar on Dec 2, 2011 4:53:24 GMT -5
Novus, you say everybody had detention camps, fine, but Albanians went one step further, they actually murdered and extracted organsPS Does Moe Lester know or will he just turn a blind eye and continue to defend his pre-defined stance. there have been numerous investigations, a million allegations and so far all there is to this story is a persisting rumour, albania has welcomed investigation upon investigation and all lead to a dead end, on the other hand serb attrocities are well documented and irrefutable.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 2, 2011 5:05:39 GMT -5
So it's genocide when the "enemy" does it, but casualties of war when the Bosnian Serb Army does it? You never seem to make sense Pyrros. I think that's where some people on this forum get annoyed by your posts. wrong. You brought up the court as an entity considered by definition reliable, whereas i showed that this court cannot be taken seriously. pls stop generalizing whenever you are weak to defend your idiocy.
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Post by Moe Lester on Dec 2, 2011 5:07:17 GMT -5
I could ask you to do the same thing, but then you'll just come with some excuse about how you're always right, and I'm always wrong.
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Post by atdhetar on Dec 2, 2011 5:10:34 GMT -5
Ill spell it out for you one more time. The british reporters went into a storage area in the refugee camp (which you can see if you watch the full doco) the muslims came over but none of them could speak english, they then brought mehmet over to talk with the reporters. The questions then followed which you can see in the video. What you seem to think we're implying is that the entire scene and camp was a complete set up for this video? This just proves you're not even paying attention. This video wasnt shown anywhere in the media, only pictures were. This video was shot from a team completely seperate from the british reporters, standing to the right of them. Do you get it now? listen, if you watch that clip again the narrator insinuates that the camp was a prop, put up for the purposes of misleading people, he talks about which side the barbed wire was and what side the detainees where standing, he's is also implying that they intentionally got a skinny guy and shoved him in from of the line.....to me that sounds like it was a set up? am i right until here? i don't believe that was a set up, those people looked like they'd been starving for days, the mehmet guy was most likely told what to say and rehearsed the shit out of what the serbs specifically told him to say, a refugee camp? come off it mate, i don't buy that for a second, th media were justified in publishing those pictures because the situation was indeed that bad and it warranted attention.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 2, 2011 5:10:40 GMT -5
nope, my only problem with you is repeating things on which you were clearly defeated. You represent a serious performance flaw in the forums, hence my request to ban you.
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Post by Moe Lester on Dec 2, 2011 5:14:02 GMT -5
But, but.... I thought we were friends (, like bros?
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 2, 2011 16:01:21 GMT -5
Novus, you say everybody had detention camps, fine, but Albanians went one step further, they actually murdered and extracted organsPS Does Moe Lester know or will he just turn a blind eye and continue to defend his pre-defined stance. Actually, Croats did something similar in/around Vukovar. Though I think they "only" extracted blood. I think Gorin did research on it. Look it up, if you want.
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Post by SKORIC on Dec 2, 2011 16:02:03 GMT -5
Ill spell it out for you one more time. The british reporters went into a storage area in the refugee camp (which you can see if you watch the full doco) the muslims came over but none of them could speak english, they then brought mehmet over to talk with the reporters. The questions then followed which you can see in the video. What you seem to think we're implying is that the entire scene and camp was a complete set up for this video? This just proves you're not even paying attention. This video wasnt shown anywhere in the media, only pictures were. This video was shot from a team completely seperate from the british reporters, standing to the right of them. Do you get it now? listen, if you watch that clip again the narrator insinuates that the camp was a prop, put up for the purposes of misleading people, he talks about which side the barbed wire was and what side the detainees where standing, he's is also implying that they intentionally got a skinny guy and shoved him in from of the line.....to me that sounds like it was a set up? am i right until here? i don't believe that was a set up, those people looked like they'd been starving for days, the mehmet guy was most likely told what to say and rehearsed the s**t out of what the serbs specifically told him to say, a refugee camp? come off it mate, i don't buy that for a second, th media were justified in publishing those pictures because the situation was indeed that bad and it warranted attention. Watch the actual documentary properly, because you've misunderstood. the narrator brings up the barbed wire because the cameras were filming from inside a storage area in the camp, his point was mehmet and the rest were outside the barbed wire fence. The camp itself was real with real people, no one is saying they're actors. Except it wasnt the same kind of camp penny marshal made it out to be. the doco was linked in another thread but ill link it for you when im back on my computer.
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Post by uz on Dec 2, 2011 16:07:35 GMT -5
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Post by atdhetar on Dec 2, 2011 18:48:42 GMT -5
lets say hypothetically the media were in on it....do you know why were the powers that be plotting your downfall?
as far as i know before the wars breaking out serbs were looked on favourably, you were almost spoiled by the west, during the second world war and onwards there was a flame of serbian adolation spreading out like wildfire, serbian movies being shown in london and paris, you were valuable allies and this immense love was manifested in the form of generous financial aid, the love continued on in the yugoslav days as well....
....now at what point did the west contemplate your demise? why the sudden change of heart? serbs were viewed as having unconditional support by the west, you had powerful allies in england and france, not to mention russia, why would the world portray you as monsters and persecute you? ....maybe because you were up to no good? or was there an ulterior motive?
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Post by uz on Dec 2, 2011 18:58:52 GMT -5
It's quite simple.
It's not about demonizing Serbia in specific. This is just the outcome. The original goal was the downfall of Yugoslavia. Yugo was self-sustanable, soveriegn in ever way, had powerful industries, military and economy - this was all going to grow even more. Different cultures were harmozing slowly (some will disagree) and greater unity was being established. Who knows where Yugoslavia would be today if it didn't collapse.
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Post by Moe Lester on Dec 2, 2011 19:01:40 GMT -5
^It would probably be part of NATO.
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Post by uz on Dec 2, 2011 19:03:36 GMT -5
I doubt it, cause then Yugoslavia would be a good asset.
The NATO thing would actually explain the collapse. To have smaller states as opose to ONE and a weaker/instable region.
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