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Post by Moe Lester on Dec 2, 2011 19:12:06 GMT -5
I don't. Yugoslavia would eventually elect someone who will be pro-NATO.
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Post by atdhetar on Dec 2, 2011 19:13:04 GMT -5
It's quite simple. It's not about demonizing Serbia in specific. This is just the outcome. The original goal was the downfall of Yugoslavia. Yugo was self-sustanable, soveriegn in ever way, had powerful industries, military and economy - this was all going to grow even more. Different cultures were harmozing slowly (some will disagree) and greater unity was being established. Who knows where Yugoslavia would be today if it didn't collapse. the break up of the federation did not come about as a result of foreign meddling, that is absurd, tensions had been building ever since titos death and disgruntlements had made way to public displays of displeasure, point is, a conflict had been brewing under the surface for a long time, then the appointment of milosevic was the cherry on top, yugoslavia imploded, it wasn't a carefully masterminded covert operation by the west. it doesn't add up your theory for the simple reason that only serbs were condemned, singled out, made the scapegoat...it makes no sense, why not the muslims? easier target, besides, we're talking here like there no evidence of serb attrocities, it is a proven fact that serbs built and ran such camps where people were mercilessly slaughtered, why bother with conspiracy theories?
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Post by uz on Dec 2, 2011 19:21:12 GMT -5
It's quite simple. It's not about demonizing Serbia in specific. This is just the outcome. The original goal was the downfall of Yugoslavia. Yugo was self-sustanable, soveriegn in ever way, had powerful industries, military and economy - this was all going to grow even more. Different cultures were harmozing slowly (some will disagree) and greater unity was being established. Who knows where Yugoslavia would be today if it didn't collapse. the break up of the federation did not come about as a result of foreign meddling, that is absurd, tensions had been building ever since titos death and disgruntlements had made way to public displays of displeasure, point is, a conflict had been brewing under the surface for a long time, then the appointment of milosevic was the cherry on top, yugoslavia imploded, it wasn't a carefully masterminded covert operation by the west. it doesn't add up your theory for the simple reason that only serbs were condemned, singled out, made the scapegoat...it makes no sense, why not the muslims? easier target, besides, we're talking here like there no evidence of serb attrocities, it is a proven fact that serbs built and ran such camps where people were mercilessly slaughtered, why bother with conspiracy theories? You're asking good questions ADT. I don't know what to tell you since you will deny the attrocities commited against the Serbs in both Bosnia and Croatia. Serbs/Serbia got singled out because who was going to take the blame for the tragic end of Yugoslavia? Hence, why they were pushing for Milosevic to go to the Hague and "face-justic". It's all bullshit and if you watch the trial you will know what I mean. Everyone seems to forget that Serbs, catholics and muslims got along fairly well for a very very long time. What happened in the 90's didn't really make sense to anyone.
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Post by uz on Dec 2, 2011 19:27:25 GMT -5
ADT do some research on the Vatican-Croatia connection. I am not going to post anything here regarding that, but you may find interesting stuff.
I am not doubting that flames were spreading throughout Yugoslavia, but "outiside" interference were spreading fuel to make things worse.
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Post by atdhetar on Dec 2, 2011 19:43:38 GMT -5
i don't deny there were attrocities committed against serbs by croats, muslims and albanians alike, i'm not one of these people that subscribes blindingly to one side of the story, i am completely devoid of propaganda. who instigated such actions? i would never endorses such methods against any population but you have to admit those things happened in response to what the serbs dished out first, it was retribution, however unforgivable it was.
muslims were completely ambushed and blindsided, how can you justify what happened in bosnia? mortar attacks upon sarajevo, kiling indiscriminately, who provoked that?
you cannot deny that serbs attacked in such a way that you can not help but feel it was premeditated, its like they were following a blueprint of greater serbia, the serb war machine was dispatched so quickly and it was executed with such precision that it was obvious that they had planned everything in advance.
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Post by uz on Dec 2, 2011 20:04:17 GMT -5
Ambushed, blind-sided attacks, and indiscrimanent killings were also happening to Serbs. Only God knows who provoked it, if they is such a thing. Serbian women were found with their bellies cut-open filled with rocks in Bosnia. How about the curfew they implemented on the Serbs?
Greater Serbia was the myth the media sold. Milosevic entered Bosnia to help secure the Serbs. It was a civil-war and who was going to protect them? You should read Milosevic's speeches to get a better idea. He never ranted about racism and Greater-Serbia. Sure it can be classified as "nationalistic" a "love for ones country" and whatnot but not hatred.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 3, 2011 1:23:14 GMT -5
LMAO at @molested and @rat
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Post by atdhetar on Dec 3, 2011 5:40:23 GMT -5
story of your life picko
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 3, 2011 6:04:00 GMT -5
walk on home boy :
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Post by punisher on Dec 3, 2011 6:10:30 GMT -5
pyrro,it's washing time
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Post by atdhetar on Dec 3, 2011 6:22:42 GMT -5
dimebag darrel would be turning in his grave if he knew you were listening to pantera
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 3, 2011 16:01:30 GMT -5
I was listening to Pantera when Kosovar Albs still were waiving Yugoslav flags, and kissing Tito's picture. And its not Dimebag, his original name was "Diamond" and he played Dean not Washburn. No rush, don't be late for school.
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Post by atdhetar on Dec 3, 2011 16:21:47 GMT -5
stop embarrassing yourself
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 4, 2011 1:29:34 GMT -5
LOL
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Post by uz on Dec 4, 2011 13:30:00 GMT -5
listen, if you watch that clip again the narrator insinuates that the camp was a prop, put up for the purposes of misleading people, he talks about which side the barbed wire was and what side the detainees where standing, he's is also implying that they intentionally got a skinny guy and shoved him in from of the line.....to me that sounds like it was a set up? am i right until here? i don't believe that was a set up, those people looked like they'd been starving for days, the mehmet guy was most likely told what to say and rehearsed the s**t out of what the serbs specifically told him to say, a refugee camp? come off it mate, i don't buy that for a second, th media were justified in publishing those pictures because the situation was indeed that bad and it warranted attention. Watch the actual documentary properly, because you've misunderstood. the narrator brings up the barbed wire because the cameras were filming from inside a storage area in the camp, his point was mehmet and the rest were outside the barbed wire fence. The camp itself was real with real people, no one is saying they're actors. Except it wasnt the same kind of camp penny marshal made it out to be. the doco was linked in another thread but ill link it for you when im back on my computer. Skoric, check this out. Face to face with Radovan Karadzic www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/04/karadzic-bosnia-war-crimes-vulliamy?newsfeed=trueWhat do you think?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 4, 2011 14:33:50 GMT -5
Watch the actual documentary properly, because you've misunderstood. the narrator brings up the barbed wire because the cameras were filming from inside a storage area in the camp, his point was mehmet and the rest were outside the barbed wire fence. The camp itself was real with real people, no one is saying they're actors. Except it wasnt the same kind of camp penny marshal made it out to be. the doco was linked in another thread but ill link it for you when im back on my computer. Skoric, check this out. Face to face with Radovan Karadzic www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/04/karadzic-bosnia-war-crimes-vulliamy?newsfeed=trueWhat do you think? whenever an article starts like a movie or a novel (most anti-serb articles are written this way and they usually target mentally handicap ppl), you know right away its propaganda.
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