Hellenas
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Post by Hellenas on Dec 3, 2011 8:11:35 GMT -5
He committed suicide, he was a criminal in the eyes of the judge, so being a cowardly act; it was a just punishment for a criminal (according to them). So according to you all criminals who sit on the electric chair commit suicide, because they can kill all guards, pass all prison gates and then be released...as I said, it's just like with Christ, they are responsible for his death.
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Post by Anittas on Dec 3, 2011 12:20:44 GMT -5
No people in the ancient era considered suicide as a "cowardice act". If you don't know what you're talking about, maybe you should shut your mouth! Do me a favour you TRASH and never post anything again to me. Ai sto diaolo... Do us all a favour and educate yourself. Every time you post on Ancient Greek history, you make a fool of yourself. You have no idea what you're talking about. You don't know the history of your own people. Nice avatar, though.
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Kanaris
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This just in>>>> Nobody gives a crap!
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 3, 2011 12:59:17 GMT -5
Poor Anittas.
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Post by uz on Dec 3, 2011 13:32:18 GMT -5
Can't believe this discussion is still going. It was a self-sacrifice. Ritualistic in nature. Not suicide.
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atdhetar
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tonight we dine in hell!
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Post by atdhetar on Dec 3, 2011 13:52:11 GMT -5
who gives a shit?
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Kanaris
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This just in>>>> Nobody gives a crap!
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 3, 2011 15:00:45 GMT -5
Not Albanians.... they were not there. HTH HAND.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Dec 3, 2011 16:12:38 GMT -5
Do me a favour you TRASH and never post anything again to me. Ai sto diaolo... Do us all a favour and educate yourself. Every time you post on Ancient Greek history, you make a fool of yourself. You have no idea what you're talking about. You don't know the history of your own people. Nice avatar, though. Please tell us, that Alexander The Great is Bulgarian. He knows damn well what he is talking about.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Dec 3, 2011 16:13:21 GMT -5
Why the fuck are these threads still up?
Where are the mods to shut it down?
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atdhetar
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tonight we dine in hell!
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Post by atdhetar on Dec 3, 2011 16:16:06 GMT -5
Not Albanians.... they were not there. HTH HAND. of course, 1250
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Post by Anittas on Dec 3, 2011 16:16:30 GMT -5
Can't believe this discussion is still going. It was a self-sacrifice. Ritualistic in nature. Not suicide. You could call it self-sacrifice, you could call it a ritual, and it was suicide.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Dec 3, 2011 16:23:39 GMT -5
So fucking what? What's any of it got to do with anthropology?
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Hellenas
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Post by Hellenas on Dec 3, 2011 21:45:12 GMT -5
Do us all a favour and educate yourself. Every time you post on Ancient Greek history, you make a fool of yourself. You have no idea what you're talking about. You don't know the history of your own people. Nice avatar, though. Go in hell you completely illiterate moron and stop talking nonsense about our ancient Greek history, everything I say, I prove it with evidences and sources, while you don't, you are 1000% in ignorance and stupidity. Get lost from here and never write me anything again. Do you understand me moron???
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Hellenas
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Post by Hellenas on Dec 3, 2011 23:00:08 GMT -5
How is it cowardice? By nature everyone fears death so it's courageous not cowardice. Aristotelis: “taking one’s own life to avoid poverty or desire or pain is unmanly…or rather cowardly”. Suicide in Ancient GreeceAncient Greeks almost never commited suicide, except if you know something that I don't know... Anyway, when you have a problem and you commit suicide that's a cowardice act because with this way you want to escape from the problem, you don't solve it, also the ancient Greeks believed in after-death life, where they faced once again all of their problems and payed/punished for their bad deeds, so why someone to commit suicide? From antiquity to now the Greeks don't commit suicide so easly, neither they used/use to do that: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rateThe rate of suicides of all Balkanian countries is higher than of Greece, even today.
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Post by Anittas on Dec 4, 2011 13:20:01 GMT -5
Do us all a favour and educate yourself. Every time you post on Ancient Greek history, you make a fool of yourself. You have no idea what you're talking about. You don't know the history of your own people. Nice avatar, though. Go in hell you completely illiterate moron and stop talking nonsense about our ancient Greek history, everything I say, I prove it with evidences and sources, while you don't, you are 1000% in ignorance and stupidity. Get lost from here and never write me anything again. Do you understand me moron??? I am far more literate than you will ever be. I am more knowledgeable of your history than you are. You can read how many books you like, it still won't do you any good because you lack the intelligence to draw conclusions. You are not an intelligent individual.
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Hellenas
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Post by Hellenas on Dec 4, 2011 22:32:12 GMT -5
What you said.
I am far more literate than you will ever be. I am more knowledgeable of your history than you are.
What I said:
Socrates didn't kill himself, he got a death penalty and drank the poison called Conion. To say that Socrates committed a suicide it is like saying that Christ self-crucified. Ancient Greeks considered suicide as a cowardice act.
What you said:
No people in the ancient era considered suicide as a "cowardice act". If you don't know what you're talking about, maybe you should shut your mouth!
Prove you are illiterate and wrong:
Aristotelis: “taking one’s own life to avoid poverty or desire or pain is unmanly…or rather cowardly”.
What you said:
You are not an intelligent individual.
I think you are a completely moron as well.
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Post by Anittas on Dec 5, 2011 2:51:39 GMT -5
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Hellenas
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Post by Hellenas on Dec 5, 2011 6:05:05 GMT -5
The source you posted proves the opposite of what you say. Platon, Socrates and Aristoteles agree that suicide is generally wrong and this shows that the ancient Greeks didn't use to suicide, it was an extreme act and that's why they discuss about it. Plato claimed that suicide is disgraceful and its perpetrators should be buried in unmarked graves. However, Plato recognized four exceptions to this principle: When the self-killing is done by judicial order, as in the case of Socrates.Self-killing is not a suicide, it's a self-execution under judical order. In case someone didn't drink the conion, they had other ways to execute him. Greeks were never Samurais... I know that some people have a problem with us but we don't going to commit a harakiri for any reason as well.
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Post by Anittas on Dec 5, 2011 6:13:46 GMT -5
Dude, are you kidding me? If Plato justified suicide when done by judicial order, then he counts it as suicide. Socrates counted it as suicide, also; as shown by me in a previous text in this thread.
And now you twist the words to say that Plato and Socrates agree that suicide is "generally wrong". Well, yes, generally; which is also what I said. Unlike you who claimed that Ancient Greeks viewed all suicide as wrong.
And why post a photo of a samurai? What the hell!
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Hellenas
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Post by Hellenas on Dec 5, 2011 6:33:01 GMT -5
Dude, are you kidding me? If Plato justified suicide when done by judicial order, then he counts it as suicide. Socrates counted it as suicide, also; as shown by me in a previous text in this thread. And now you twist the words to say that Plato and Socrates agree that suicide is "generally wrong". Well, yes, generally; which is also what I said. Unlike you who claimed that Ancient Greeks viewed all suicide as wrong. And why post a photo of a samurai? What the hell! Both Platon and Socrates concidered "suicide" by judicial order as a civilized self-execution. If someone denied to drink the conion, they had other ways to kill him. I never claimed that Ancient Greeks viewed all suicide as wrong. I never said all, that's just what you claim I said.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Dec 5, 2011 9:35:55 GMT -5
Dude, just leave it. They're pathetic honestly.
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