|
Post by fishcake on Dec 1, 2011 11:57:44 GMT -5
How often was it practiced? I know Socrates killed himself but who else?
|
|
|
Post by missanthropology58 on Dec 1, 2011 15:02:56 GMT -5
Pointless thread.
|
|
Hellenas
Amicus
Father of Gods and of men.
Posts: 578
|
Post by Hellenas on Dec 1, 2011 17:31:19 GMT -5
Socrates didn't kill himself, he got a death penalty and drank the poison called Conion. To say that Socrates committed a suicide it is like saying that Christ self-crucified. Ancient Greeks considered suicide as a cowardice act.
|
|
|
Post by Moe Lester on Dec 1, 2011 20:19:24 GMT -5
Socrates didn't kill himself, he got a death penalty and drank the poison called Conion. To say that Socrates committed a suicide it is like saying that Christ self-crucified. Ancient Greeks considered suicide as a cowardice act. He committed suicide, he was a criminal in the eyes of the judge, so being a cowardly act; it was a just punishment for a criminal (according to them).
|
|
Kanaris
Amicus
This just in>>>> Nobody gives a crap!
Posts: 9,589
|
Post by Kanaris on Dec 1, 2011 21:19:17 GMT -5
Jesus was looked upon as a criminal too... by the Romans and by the jews... so what's your point?
|
|
|
Post by uz on Dec 1, 2011 21:23:01 GMT -5
Socrates didn't kill himself, he got a death penalty and drank the poison called Conion. To say that Socrates committed a suicide it is like saying that Christ self-crucified. Ancient Greeks considered suicide as a cowardice act. He committed suicide, he was a criminal in the eyes of the judge, so being a cowardly act; it was a just punishment for a criminal (according to them). That does not classify as suicide. He did not willingly want himself to die. It is like if someone points a gun at someone else and forces that someone to shoot-themselves (with their own gun).
|
|
|
Post by Moe Lester on Dec 1, 2011 21:41:03 GMT -5
He could have been forced, or choose to take the poison. He chose to take the poison on his own accord. He believed that if the Athenian court found him guilty, he was guilty. He believed in following the laws of the land he was in, whether he thought the laws for just or not. He willingly took the poison.
|
|
|
Post by uz on Dec 1, 2011 21:48:11 GMT -5
This is up for debates. But my stance revolves around the fact that the choice was only an illusion. He was dead before he even took it.
|
|
|
Post by Moe Lester on Dec 1, 2011 21:52:29 GMT -5
Did you know he could have escaped? His supporters bribed guards and were willing to physically help him escape. But Socrates thought that was wrong and that he should let the court decide whether he was guilty or not.
|
|
|
Post by uz on Dec 1, 2011 21:59:09 GMT -5
These are completely different time. They saw the court system as their life-blood. It`s a self-sacrifice according to their thinking.
|
|
|
Post by Moe Lester on Dec 1, 2011 22:05:03 GMT -5
Socrates even knew he was being unjustly persecuted, but drank the poison anyway, without any resistance.
|
|
|
Post by superalbo on Dec 1, 2011 22:10:03 GMT -5
Guys stop flooding the Greek Forum.
|
|
|
Post by uz on Dec 1, 2011 22:14:49 GMT -5
Socrates even knew he was being unjustly persecuted, but drank the poison anyway, without any resistance. This form of self-sacrificing is not suicide. It was socially accepted as being a ritual.
|
|
|
Post by Moe Lester on Dec 1, 2011 22:20:51 GMT -5
We're just discussing the death of Socrates.
|
|
|
Post by Moe Lester on Dec 1, 2011 22:23:30 GMT -5
This form of self-sacrificing is not suicide. It was socially accepted as being a ritual. Suicide, from sui caedere (Latin), "to kill oneself". Socrates committed suicide. Suicide isn't something that changes by definitions throughout history. The mass suicide in Jonestown is a mass suicide even thought most of the people who committed suicide didn't know they were doing so.
|
|
|
Post by uz on Dec 1, 2011 22:25:58 GMT -5
You are not understanding. From our perspective today we cannot be compared to the perspectives of that age. The samurai killing himself was not looked up that way, but rather a sacrifice.
|
|
|
Post by uz on Dec 1, 2011 22:29:00 GMT -5
The japanese have a word for it (and it is not suicide), I think the ancient Greeks had one too.
|
|
|
Post by Moe Lester on Dec 1, 2011 22:37:35 GMT -5
And according to today, it's suicide. Would we call what teachers did in ancient Rome a different word compared to the modern word "teaching"? We still refer to teaching even though it was very different to the teaching done in schools now. So even though suicide is considered something else in a different time, it's still suicide for us.
|
|
|
Post by uz on Dec 1, 2011 22:40:38 GMT -5
To say; Socrates committed suicide. Is false.
|
|
|
Post by Moe Lester on Dec 1, 2011 22:55:44 GMT -5
Then what did he do? Murder himself? He drank poison on his own accord, and by that definition he committed suicide. Why are you arguing about this? Socrates, by definition, committed suicide. There is no false claim there, he didn't 'sacrifice' himself. What was he sacrificing himself for?
|
|