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Post by SKORIC on Dec 5, 2011 7:39:31 GMT -5
in the end, we dont cop it as much as.. lets say arabs. arabs are portrayed as evil aswell as incompetent people. while yes we're portrayed as bad people but atleast we're portrayed as competent, similar to how the west portrays russians. for the most part anyway, i remember "the hunting party" movie made us out to be the s**test people on earth lol
How Hollywood Vilifies a People:
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Post by srbobran on Dec 5, 2011 12:12:49 GMT -5
Seriously though, how much BETTER was playing GTA 4 knowing the main character was a Serb? I'm glad they added that part in to be honest lol.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Dec 5, 2011 15:32:08 GMT -5
The tool is back. Quit putting words into my mouth. I didn't say anything about 'Negotin' ( some Serbian town I guess?) and what the hell does this have to do with Krasovani? If you want to deny the mountains of evidence pointing to the Vlach origin of a lot of Serbs in Bosnia and Croatia then go ahead, whatever helps you sleep at night. But that's totally unrelated to this topic. And I don't have to call the Krasovani Croats , they call themselves that. Why don't you go to their community and lecture them on Serbdom if that bothers you. I mean seriously , fool . You lend nothing of value to this thread. Mountains of evidence? You stupid idiot , the LACK OF ANY VLAH DIALECT IS THE BIGGEST MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE THAT you are a stupid idiot, trying to spew lies no matter how silly and moronic you sound. Hint: IN ALL VLAH POPULATED PLACES IN THE BALKANS, there was at least some vlah-dialect left overs till 50 yrs ago. Hint no 2: IN ALL vlah places in Greece, the toponyms are Serbian... Same in Serbia, Same in Romania. So the pattern was "Serbs go, Vlahs come", you wanna tell us, that in Bosnia Serbs left, were replaced by Vlahs, who later they got serbianized and orthodoxized, and all this in a totally Turkish controlled region? LMAO man..... just LMAO good luck with your "Vlah" research, idiot. PS LOL, you still haven't told us which book/article/publication on mathematics (as you claimed ) or in "linguistic1"by Chomsky you have read and found interesting. Let me tell you, you were trying to impress, being the insecure illiterate bit ch that you are. maths!!! LMAO..... a person so stupid like you should not be allowed to pronounce that word. Vlach dialect? The Vlachs were assimilated into slavophones ( latest) a couple hundred years ago. They speak whatever Croatian or Serbian dialect is in their locality. It's like asking about a native american dialect with English speaking Americans. The question is dumb if you already know they have been linguistically assimilated. There are slavic toponyms in Greece not exclusively Serbian. You forget the other large group of Slavs that border northern Greece , the Bulgaro-Macedonians. ( Really one ethnic group but distinct and unique to separate ones as well.) Prince Eugene of Savoy and Slovenian-Croat Bernard Kuripesic ( Kupresic) write extensively of the Orthodox Slavs having Vlach origins from Serbia and other parts of the eastern Balkans. The Austrians made a 'Vlach statute' for the Orthodox inhabitents of Croatia. I mean the evidence goes on and on. I'm not calling today's Croatian and Bosnian Serbs Vlachs because they are Serbs now and I respect that. Also I was humble enough to admit several Croats in Western Hercegovina and Dalmatia are of ( Catholic) Vlach ancestry but are smaller in ratio compared to the Serbs with Vlach ancestry. And as far as medieval Bosnia goes , it was a mostly Catholic country with some minorties of Orthodox and post Catholic christians. By the time the Turks took over Bosnia the country was overwhelmingly Catholic as well as the nobility ( 70% or so) which is why many historians link its history with that of Croatia. Remember independent Bosnian history isn't really recorded until after Croatia joined Hungary in 1102. That is the same year we here about an autonomous Bosnian ban WITHIN THE HUNGARO-CROATIAN kingdom. So it goes like this : Bosnians were mostly Catholics. Many of the Bosnian Catholics were evicted by the Turks and relocated to Croatia , Slovenia , Hungary , Austria , etc. The vacated land was then settled by Orthodox Vlachs from Serbia who probably already spoke Slavic to some degree. The rest of the catholics in Bosnia were either assimilated into Muslims or Orthodox or remained catholic in the little community the fransicans kept alive. Hence we see a dramatic shift in Bosnia's religious population where catholics are the least numerous of the big three. Later on with the rise of nationalism the three main religious communities affiliated with different movements , Croatian and Serbian and later Bosnian only. As far as Chomsky's contribution : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chomsky%E2%80%93Sch%C3%BCtzenberger_theoremYou're an engineer or so you claim. You should be able to understand some algebra. You should be able to see the significance in the theorem. And pyrros , no need for insults , you moron.
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Post by Moe Lester on Dec 5, 2011 20:03:37 GMT -5
Seriously though, how much BETTER was playing GTA 4 knowing the main character was a Serb? I'm glad they added that part in to be honest lol. Didn't feel that different, but pretty much everything else was much better than the previous ones. Though I wished they stuck to the typical gangs (Italians, Russians, Chinese).
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 5, 2011 20:09:32 GMT -5
There are slavic toponyms in Greece not exclusively Serbian. You forget the other large group of Slavs that border northern Greece , the Bulgaro-Macedonians. ( Really one ethnic group but distinct and unique to separate ones as well.)
Sloppy, becareful, this line is bordering on Bulgarian propaganda.
Anyway, l don't know why you persist on this fable of Serbianised Vlachs? It was known that Serbs settled in Bosnia and the majority of Dalmatia.
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Post by srbobran on Dec 5, 2011 21:44:18 GMT -5
As a Frenchman It was probably the same to you, but I felt an odd sense of pride for some reason while I was playing. lol
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Post by srbobran on Dec 5, 2011 21:44:57 GMT -5
But GTA San Andreas is still my favorite. A game like that needs Black people.
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Post by Moe Lester on Dec 5, 2011 21:45:09 GMT -5
You're Serbian? For some reason, I thought you were Macedonian.
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Post by Moe Lester on Dec 5, 2011 21:46:26 GMT -5
But GTA San Andreas is still my favorite. A game like that needs Black people. Well, they're making a GTA V, which is a lot like San Andreas, except there's less places to go.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 6, 2011 1:01:12 GMT -5
There are slavic toponyms in Greece not exclusively Serbian. You forget the other large group of Slavs that border northern Greece , the Bulgaro-Macedonians. ( Really one ethnic group but distinct and unique to separate ones as well.) Sloppy, becareful, this line is bordering on Bulgarian propaganda. Anyway, l don't know why you persist on this fable of Serbianised Vlachs? It was known that Serbs settled in Bosnia and the majority of Dalmatia. the tool has issues apparently.... vlahs were slavicized couple of 100s years ago! LOL!!! Like the ottoman empire was one bad-ass mean Slavicizing machine!!! LOL!! Maybe the bit ch can explain to us why the official Croatian language is structured around the MONTENEGRIN DIALECT (jekavica). PS oh and about the theorem, LMAO!!! man, watch out, i might give you a test any time, so don't lie about things you don't understand.
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Post by Moe Lester on Dec 6, 2011 1:06:32 GMT -5
Jekavian isn't only Montenegrin.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 6, 2011 13:36:43 GMT -5
It is. The official Serbian/Bosnian/Croatian languages are structured around the dialect of CG/Herc.
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Post by ulf on Dec 6, 2011 13:46:05 GMT -5
Like the ottoman empire was one bad-ass mean Slavicizing machine!!! LOL!! That's so incorrect. Vlachs were being Slavicized upon creation of Serbian Kingdom in these areas. Not sure for Bosnia
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 6, 2011 20:21:47 GMT -5
"Maybe the bitch can explain to us why the official Croatian language is structured around the MONTENEGRIN DIALECT (jekavica)." Pyrro, he'll mention of the Red Croats (Montenegrins) who were serbianised during the introduction of Orthodoxy in Crno Gora
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 7, 2011 3:53:02 GMT -5
^^^ and who were all vlahs from Jupiter before that LOL
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 7, 2011 3:58:50 GMT -5
Like the ottoman empire was one bad-ass mean Slavicizing machine!!! LOL!! That's so incorrect. Vlachs were being Slavicized upon creation of Serbian Kingdom in these areas. Not sure for Bosnia That's what i mean, before the emerge of the new mono-ethnic countries, Ottoman empire was a paradise for minorities and of course Vlahs. Now if you mean that Vlahs were Serbianized before that, then why today there are still so many Vlahs speakers in eastern Serbia? Does not make sense. Heck in Greece, till 1900 the vlah communities were the richest in Greece, there were even ppl (like the current mayor of my town) who came from Peloponese from village with Serbian name (ex-SLav???) and changed the language to Vlah once migrated to Epiros (Metsovo) (another Serbian toponym). So i have pure evidence that during otoman empire there were VLAHIFICATIONS. After the fall of it, there were Greekifications. I guess the pattern in ex-yu might be the same.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 7, 2011 7:15:14 GMT -5
"and who were all vlahs from Jupiter before that" Aliens turned into Vlachs when they arrived to earth
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Post by ulf on Dec 7, 2011 13:17:57 GMT -5
That's so incorrect. Vlachs were being Slavicized upon creation of Serbian Kingdom in these areas. Not sure for Bosnia That's what i mean, before the emerge of the new mono-ethnic countries, Ottoman empire was a paradise for minorities and of course Vlahs. Now if you mean that Vlahs were Serbianized before that, then why today there are still so many Vlahs speakers in eastern Serbia? Does not make sense. Heck in Greece, till 1900 the vlah communities were the richest in Greece, there were even ppl (like the current mayor of my town) who came from Peloponese from village with Serbian name (ex-SLav???) and changed the language to Vlah once migrated to Epiros (Metsovo) (another Serbian toponym). So i have pure evidence that during otoman empire there were VLAHIFICATIONS. After the fall of it, there were Greekifications. I guess the pattern in ex-yu might be the same. I heard different story. The Vlachs inhabited southern parts of Albania and north-western parts of Greece. Then some wiseguy Ali Pasha rose to power and destroyed the major Vlach city, so the Vlachs immigrated north-eastwards in today Macedonia, so in some places they were accepted, in other they weren't so they formed their own settlements and so on. When Serbia liberated Macedonia from Turkish reign they started(no right away, but mostly during Aleksandar Karadjordjevic reign) assimilation of Vlachs. So many of them changed their surnames(but then again, some indifferent Slavs were forces to do the same). As concerning Habsburgs, well they were more liberate toward minorities so I really think they had no reason to shift surnames or to claim that they're not Vlachs
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Post by dna on Dec 7, 2011 19:35:32 GMT -5
But wait, all Vlachs in Balkans cannot come from that one zone - southern Albania, north-west Greece - right? It is not as if that zone is the "homeland" of the Vlachs, surely? Even with Moscopole (Voskopoje) having served in the past as a centre for Vlach culture, advancement etc? Vlachs are language group, not ethnic group, and they were "generated" by Ancient Roman empire; that is to say, Vlachs are not an ethnic group, but like Slavs for instance, a linguistic collective? Vlachs from Timocka Krajina, and Aromanians from Pindus, distantly inhabited same specific areas? Is that really likely? Here is a link of Vlach Surnames in Serbia - best surnames in Serbia! www.paundurlic.com/forum.vlasi.srbije/index.php?topic=359.0;wap2Pardon all the question marks, but it seems as far as the study of Vlachs is concerned, no one really knows anything!
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Post by dna on Dec 7, 2011 19:50:09 GMT -5
Regarding the Romance speakers in Serbia - those that declare as Vlachs and those that declare as Romanians - does the following seem as plausible...
Romanized Illyrians and Thracians migrate --> those whose final destination was in contemporary Romania, developed into Romanians; those whose final destination fell short of what is today Romania, became Vlachs?
And what of the surnames in Bosnia, Croatia of Romance origins... for example, there is an abundance of Drakulic's in Bosnia and Croatia, yet the surname is rare it seems in eastern Serbia. While I doubt there are many Bolbotinovic's or Misterdjelovic's in Bosnia and Croatia..
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