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Post by ulf on Dec 7, 2011 20:51:02 GMT -5
But wait, all Vlachs in Balkans cannot come from that one zone - southern Albania, north-west Greece - right? It is not as if that zone is the "homeland" of the Vlachs, surely? Even with Moscopole (Voskopoje) having served in the past as a centre for Vlach culture, advancement etc? Vlachs are language group, not ethnic group, and they were "generated" by Ancient Roman empire; that is to say, Vlachs are not an ethnic group, but like Slavs for instance, a linguistic collective? Vlachs from Timocka Krajina, and Aromanians from Pindus, distantly inhabited same specific areas? Is that really likely? Here is a link of Vlach Surnames in Serbia - best surnames in Serbia! www.paundurlic.com/forum.vlasi.srbije/index.php?topic=359.0;wap2Pardon all the question marks, but it seems as far as the study of Vlachs is concerned, no one really knows anything! And where did you read in my comment that I wrote ALL Vlachs came from these region? Vlach simply signifies Latinophone population. Vlachs in Timok exist even today in fair numbers and they probably have nothing to do with other Vlachs of Albania and Greece. However, I wasn't talking about them
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 8, 2011 4:59:02 GMT -5
That's what i mean, before the emerge of the new mono-ethnic countries, Ottoman empire was a paradise for minorities and of course Vlahs. Now if you mean that Vlahs were Serbianized before that, then why today there are still so many Vlahs speakers in eastern Serbia? Does not make sense. Heck in Greece, till 1900 the vlah communities were the richest in Greece, there were even ppl (like the current mayor of my town) who came from Peloponese from village with Serbian name (ex-SLav???) and changed the language to Vlah once migrated to Epiros (Metsovo) (another Serbian toponym). So i have pure evidence that during otoman empire there were VLAHIFICATIONS. After the fall of it, there were Greekifications. I guess the pattern in ex-yu might be the same. I heard different story. The Vlachs inhabited southern parts of Albania and north-western parts of Greece. Then some wiseguy Ali Pasha rose to power and destroyed the major Vlach city, so the Vlachs immigrated north-eastwards in today Macedonia, so in some places they were accepted, in other they weren't so they formed their own settlements and so on. When Serbia liberated Macedonia from Turkish reign they started(no right away, but mostly during Aleksandar Karadjordjevic reign) assimilation of Vlachs. So many of them changed their surnames(but then again, some indifferent Slavs were forces to do the same). As concerning Habsburgs, well they were more liberate toward minorities so I really think they had no reason to shift surnames or to claim that they're not Vlachs i was born in that city which was ruled by this wiseguy Ali Pasha. (Janina - another ancient Serbian toponym). Also i was raised in the birth place of his mother "Hamka" (Konjica - another ancient Serbian toponym). Ali pasha had good relations with the vlahs AFIAK. I know many vlahs (relatives included) and nobody told me a thing about Ali Pasha (who was an albo BTW). + there was never "a major vlah city". Janina was never Vlah dominated. Mecovo (old Serbian toponym), Sirako (Siroko in Serbian), Kalarytes (i dont know where that toponym comes from) were major vlah *towns* not cities. What you say is true. Many Vlahs in 1800+ from Epiros/mak migrated to Serbia (Kragujevac, Vojvodina, BG etc...) to work there, cause Serbia used to be a heavily industrialized place, the first in the balkans in that respect. Branislav Nusic is such an example. However pre-1800 the situation is more or less as i said. Vlahs were pretty much respected. Turks gave them full autonomy.
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Post by uz on Dec 8, 2011 13:34:27 GMT -5
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Post by dna on Dec 8, 2011 16:28:18 GMT -5
But wait, all Vlachs in Balkans cannot come from that one zone - southern Albania, north-west Greece - right? It is not as if that zone is the "homeland" of the Vlachs, surely? Even with Moscopole (Voskopoje) having served in the past as a centre for Vlach culture, advancement etc? Vlachs are language group, not ethnic group, and they were "generated" by Ancient Roman empire; that is to say, Vlachs are not an ethnic group, but like Slavs for instance, a linguistic collective? Vlachs from Timocka Krajina, and Aromanians from Pindus, distantly inhabited same specific areas? Is that really likely? Here is a link of Vlach Surnames in Serbia - best surnames in Serbia! www.paundurlic.com/forum.vlasi.srbije/index.php?topic=359.0;wap2Pardon all the question marks, but it seems as far as the study of Vlachs is concerned, no one really knows anything! And where did you read in my comment that I wrote ALL Vlachs came from these region? Vlach simply signifies Latinophone population. Vlachs in Timok exist even today in fair numbers and they probably have nothing to do with other Vlachs of Albania and Greece. However, I wasn't talking about them Okay so basically our thoughts coincide... the confusion came from your sentence " The Vlachs come..." which made me think you were suggesting the Vlachs dispersed themselves from some "homeland" or historical "ethno-base".
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Post by uz on Dec 16, 2011 21:13:50 GMT -5
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Post by Moe Lester on Dec 17, 2011 1:40:43 GMT -5
Wouldn't that be logical? Serbs helping the Russians, and vice versa?
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Post by uz on Dec 18, 2011 13:06:11 GMT -5
Wouldn't that be logical? Serbs helping the Russians, and vice versa? Of course it's logical. It's the same scenario when one muslim extremist helps another, right?
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 18, 2011 16:12:17 GMT -5
LOL, a "Serbian hit squad." Who the hell has ever heard of a hit squad? The point of assassination is to be under the radar until the hit. (And usually after the hit, too. Unless you want to get caught.) You can't do that with a bunch of guys with guns. I mean, I haven't actually seen the scene yet but knowing Mission Impossible it's going to be a bunch of guys in black clothes and assault weapons.
But I guess since Hunt is meant to be the ubermensch, he can't a lone predator hunting him. At least in Behind Enemy Lines you had that guy in the blue tracksuit. He was at least interesting. Ethan Hunt isn't interesting. If you're going to have the entire movie revolve around him, it's going to be a dull movie.
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Post by uz on Dec 18, 2011 16:13:22 GMT -5
LOL, a "Serbian hit squad." Who the hell has ever heard of a hit squad? The point of assassination is to be under the radar until the hit. (And usually after the hit, too. Unless you want to get caught.) You can't do that with a bunch of guys with guns. I mean, I haven't actually seen the scene yet but knowing Mission Impossible it's going to be a bunch of guys in black clothes and assault weapons. Don't forget the ski-masks.
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Post by Moe Lester on Dec 18, 2011 17:25:17 GMT -5
Of course it's logical. It's the same scenario when one muslim extremist helps another, right? Yes.
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Post by srbobran on Dec 18, 2011 17:31:28 GMT -5
LOL. I found it absolutely hilarious that the creme of the Serbian military, our elite unit, was some dude in a track suit carrying a sniper rifle.
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 19, 2011 2:33:34 GMT -5
LOL. I found it absolutely hilarious that the creme of the Serbian military, our elite unit, was some dude in a track suit carrying a sniper rifle. I was under the impression that he was a freelance mercenary or some such.
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Post by Moe Lester on Dec 20, 2011 1:32:09 GMT -5
expendables vs "serb badboys" lol I watched that movie. It also portrays Americans as evil.
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