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Post by bowandarrow on Mar 27, 2012 14:47:34 GMT -5
After reading through all of this where is there definitive evidence that the haplogroup is 'Serb.' The populations of today that carry this marker are mostly non-Serbs while the actual Serbs carry this the least. It shows that Southern Croatians , most Bosnian Croats, about half the Bosniaks , and a handful of Bosnian Serbs all share a common origin. Of all the populations present today , the Serbs are the least included. What it tells me is that the Dinaric origin is firmly nestled among a broad population of Croats both in Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina. 'Old' Bosniaks share this same origin and a few Serbs do as well. Likewise it can also be said that the majority of Bosnian and Croatian Serbs are newer settlers than the old Croats while the Bosniaks are fairly mixed due to intermingling and Islamification in the medieval period. The northern Croats or Pannonian Croats were random Slavs ( like the Slovenes) assimilated into the Croatian body due to Croatian rule of those territories over the centuries. Bosnians and Serbs are the same shit. The Bosnians just claim to be Muslim as a way from breaking apart from them.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Mar 27, 2012 15:07:59 GMT -5
^^ You need to stop taking your Bosnian history lessons from Serbian revisionists. Same thing can be said about Serbs who are just trying to be different because they are Orthodox.
Plus the genetic evidence I posted shows you're wrong.
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Post by uz on Mar 27, 2012 16:31:42 GMT -5
I think that's your issue, many people just assume we're all the same and it angers you cause you don't want to be "stooped" to such a level. Debate aside, you have the duty to show them wrong, you're Croatian.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Mar 27, 2012 22:56:58 GMT -5
But they are not the same. There is hard evidence for that now. Have you ever thought about the reverse scenario. Maybe its shoved down peoples' throats so much that 'everyone is the same' that no critical thought is given to the counter argument.
Based on the study I will give you this. A lot of Bosniaks appear to be of the same stock of Serbs but a large portion of both people , far larger than the Bosnian Croats , are from 'parts unknown' and came much later than the majority native Bosnian Croats.
69% of Bosnian Serbs are from somewhere else 55% of Bosniaks are from somewhere else 29% of Bosnian Croats are from somewhere else.
Bosniaks and Serbs carry on Bosnia's Ottoman traditions while we carry on from its medieval traditions. Catholic Bosnia.
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Post by uz on Mar 27, 2012 23:27:19 GMT -5
Foreigners or outsiders tend to generalize and from my experience they think we're all the same. No one really goes beyond language/culture/character etc, we take it to a next level.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Mar 27, 2012 23:38:19 GMT -5
Not exactly. The fact we were all compacted into one country made foreigners assume things without even really doing research. All the propaganda was out there to blur the differences and much of it has prevailed. And now , somehow , Croats , Bosniaks , or Serbs are wrong for wanting to point out differences as if its taboo or something.
An outsider traveling to these countries today can surely see a difference if he traveled to Croatia one week and Serbia the next. Aside from language , Serbia would be much closer akin to Macedonia , Bulgaria , and even Greece & Albania to a smaller extent where as we Croats are much farther diverged from those countries.
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Post by uz on Mar 28, 2012 0:07:51 GMT -5
I get into this discussion all the time with people who think we're the same and it's headache to always explain. There's clearly differences Priso, whose saying it's wrong or taboo? The debate however revolves normally around the origin. That's the besides the point.
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Post by uz on Mar 28, 2012 0:09:17 GMT -5
And I don't what Croats you know, maybe some super Aryan race but I know some that could fall right in line with a Macedonian and/or Bulgarian.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Mar 28, 2012 10:49:28 GMT -5
^^ See how your ignorance proves my point? I bother to point out there are differences and already I am accused of promoting 'Aryan' ideas. Croats are not like Macedonians and Bulgarians, fyi.
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Post by uz on Mar 28, 2012 11:47:04 GMT -5
Oh no did Priso just get a taste of his own medicine? ;D Like how every Serb must be a Seselj fan right...
You can stop being paranoid, the majority of Croats can pass as any Yugo, most Yugos out there can pass as any Yugo.
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Post by bowandarrow on Mar 28, 2012 11:59:16 GMT -5
Don Black loves a Multi Cultural Yugoslav nation.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Mar 28, 2012 12:14:52 GMT -5
Oh no did Priso just get a taste of his own medicine? ;D Like how every Serb must be a Seselj fan right... You can stop being paranoid, the majority of Croats can pass as any Yugo, most Yugos out there can pass as any Yugo. It's not paranoia its just pointing out a fact. We are not like Macedonians and Bulgarians. In fact , were far more similar to Polish and Slovak.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Mar 28, 2012 12:15:42 GMT -5
There is no 'Yugo nation.' Completely artificial.
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Post by bowandarrow on Mar 28, 2012 12:20:35 GMT -5
There is to White trash KKK members.
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Post by uz on Mar 28, 2012 12:28:01 GMT -5
There is no 'Yugo nation.' Completely artificial. I concider all these people Yugos'. Southern Slavs more or less but specifically ex-yugo nations. It's annoying to keep listing all the countries.
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Post by uz on Mar 28, 2012 12:33:03 GMT -5
Oh no did Priso just get a taste of his own medicine? ;D Like how every Serb must be a Seselj fan right... You can stop being paranoid, the majority of Croats can pass as any Yugo, most Yugos out there can pass as any Yugo. .... In fact , were far more similar to Polish and Slovak. Are you going to marry this girl? ;D
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Mar 28, 2012 13:10:41 GMT -5
There is no 'Yugo nation.' Completely artificial. I concider all these people Yugos'. Southern Slavs more or less but specifically ex-yugo nations. It's annoying to keep listing all the countries. Doesn't change the fact that the Yugo nation is fake.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Mar 28, 2012 13:11:12 GMT -5
.... In fact , were far more similar to Polish and Slovak. Are you going to marry this girl? ;D Too early to even think of such things. Just having fun now and seeing where it goes.
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Post by bowandarrow on Mar 28, 2012 13:31:33 GMT -5
LOL! ^
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Post by mihaitzateo on Mar 28, 2012 13:35:55 GMT -5
Is normally croats are not like serbs because they are catholic while serbs are orthodox. If you take romanians from Transylvania there is almost no difference between them and serbs as mentality and so on. That is because they were under Austro-Ungarian Empire,as Serbia was,while rest of Romania was not. Rest of Romania is something like Bulgaria. Take for example romanians from Transylvania,their favourite drink except few areas is palinka which is something very similar to serbians favourite drink,Slivovitz. To make more weird,the romanians from Banat which is the east of Transilvania are mostly of dinaric phenotype. In Romania,except Transylvania favourite drink is wine.
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