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Post by kartadolofonos on Mar 21, 2012 19:15:32 GMT -5
Alexander the Great and the Albanians Found elsewhere and conflict between Albanians and Slavs of FYROM. Why is Alexander the Great Fyromanian and not Albanian? The argument is that although his father is "Macedonian" but the mother is Albanian. Because the Olympia were from Epirus, they claim that she is Albanian So, after FYROM the Albanians claim Alexander the Great. The Albanians taught that they have the same DNA with the king of Macedonia, In Albania Alexander The Great is considered a Hero. Indeed, according to the book Geography areas that were left out of the Albanian state, and must return to Greater Albania, arrive to Pella. Now we have to wait and statue of Alexander in Tirana. (Gift of Americans)
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 21, 2012 20:24:43 GMT -5
Yep,and he spoke Albanian too,fluently.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Mar 21, 2012 20:38:21 GMT -5
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Post by kartadolofonos on Mar 21, 2012 21:36:48 GMT -5
His mother was from Epirus, now in modern Alb nia. ;D ;D ;D Who the Fukc is Alb nia Olympia, from the royal house of Molossia. ΜΟΛΟΣΣΟΙBy 357 B.C., they were married, and she gave birth to Alexander the Great
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Post by realitydysfunction on Mar 21, 2012 21:53:22 GMT -5
His mother was from Epirus, now in modern Alb nia. ;D ;D ;D Who the Fukc is Alb nia I don't have all night to play with your ass. What I said is what I have read from many books, I am not making stuff up. Attachments:
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Post by kartadolofonos on Mar 21, 2012 22:12:32 GMT -5
Is this your favorite book or author that you have read
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Post by kartadolofonos on Mar 21, 2012 22:58:57 GMT -5
no I would never do that !
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Post by Moe Lester on Mar 22, 2012 0:44:20 GMT -5
When will people learn he is Macedonian Greek?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Mar 22, 2012 2:13:09 GMT -5
Alexander the Great and the Albanians ....................................................................................... The argument is that although his father is "Macedonian" but the mother is Albanian. Because the Olympia were from Epirus, they claim that she is Albanian So, after FYROM the Albanians claim Alexander the Great. The Albanians taught that they have the same DNA with the king of Macedonia, In Albania Alexander The Great is considered a Hero................................... It is fairly well established that ancient Macedonians were first cousins to the Greeks and that they spoke a rough dialect of Greek. His mother was from Epirus, now in modern Albania. But, since we are not Jews and do not trace descent through the mother's side, Alexander was at best half-Albanian***. But since it annoys you guys so much we still like to say that he was Albanian, for all we know he might have been ;D. ***It's difficult to call something "Albanian" so far back in the day because that particular identity would have been submerged in the larger cultural and tribal super-identities of the time.
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Post by atdhetar on Mar 22, 2012 3:19:06 GMT -5
he was not albanian, that is ridiculous, the notion of albania did not even exist at the time, his mother was of illyrian extraxt...molloset, present day mallakastra, were a large illyrian tribe so by logical deduction we can infer she was illyrian, almost all authors claim she was not of greek origin, however alexander is a different matter, he was neither albanian nor illyrian
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Mar 22, 2012 4:59:10 GMT -5
^^^ OLYMPIAS IS NOT A GREEK NAME???
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Post by ralphtpika on Mar 22, 2012 6:02:39 GMT -5
Strabo, Geography, book 7, Fragm 11
What is now called Macedonia was in earlier times called Emathia. And it took its present name from Macedon, one of its early chieftains. And there was also a city emathia close to the sea. Now a part of this country was taken and held by certain of the Epeirotes and the Illyrians, but most of it by the Bottiaei and the Thracians. The Bottiaei came from Crete originally, so it is said, along with Botton as chieftain. As for the Thracians, the Pieres inhabited Pieria and the region about Olympus; the Paeones, the region on both sides of the Axius River, which on that account is called Amphaxitis; the Edoni and Bisaltae, the rest of the country as far as the Strymon. Of these two peoples the latter are called Bisaltae alone, whereas a part of the Edoni are called Mygdones, a part Edones, and a part Sithones. But of all these tribes the Argeadae, as they are called, established themselves as masters, and also the Chalcidians of Euboea; for the Chalcidians of Euboea also came over to the country of the Sithones and jointly peopled about thirty cities in it, although later on the majority of them were ejected and came together into one city, Olynthus; and they were named the Thracian Chalcidians
Strabo, Geography,book 7,VII,1
And even to the present day the Thracians, Illyrians, and Epeirotes live on the flanks of the Greeks (though this was still more the case formerly than now); indeed most of the country that at the present time is indisputably Greece is held by the barbarians — Macedonia and certain parts of Thessaly by the Thracians, and the parts above Acarnania and Aetolia by the Thesproti, the Cassopaei, the Amphilochi, the Molossi, and the Athamanes — Epeirotic tribes.”
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Post by kartadolofonos on Mar 22, 2012 6:11:27 GMT -5
^^^ OLYMPIAS IS NOT A GREEK NAME??? (Greek: Ὀλυμπιάς pronounced [olympiás], ca. 375–316 BC) was a Greek princess of Epirus, daughter of king Neoptolemus I of Epirus, the fourth wife of the king of Macedonia, Philip II, and mother of Alexander the Great. She was a devout member of the orgiastic snake-worshiping cult of Dionysus, and it is suggested by the biographer, Plutarch, that she may have slept with snakes. Olympias was the daughter of Neoptolemus I, king of the Molossians, a principal Greek tribe in Epirus, and sister of Alexander I. Her family was member of the Aeacidae, a well-respected family of ancient Greece, which claimed descent from Neoptolemus, son of Achilles. Apparently, she was originally named Polyxena, as Plutarch mentions in his work Moralia, and changed her name to Myrtale prior to her marriage to Philip II of Macedon, as part of her initiation to an unknown mystery cult. The name Olympias was the third of four names by which she was known, taking it probably as a recognition of Philip's victory in the Olympic Games of 356 BC, which coincided with Alexander's birth.She was finally named Stratonice, which was likely an epithet attached to Olympias following her victory over Eurydice in 317 BC. When Neoptolemus I died in 360 BC, his brother Arymbas succeeded him on the Molossian throne. In 358 BC, Arymbas made a treaty with the new king of Macedonia, Philip II, and the Molossians became allies of the Macedonians. The alliance was cemented with a diplomatic marriage, when Arymbas' niece Olympias became Philip's wife in 357 BC and, consequently, queen consort of Macedonia. Philip had first fallen in love with Olympias when both were initiated into the mysteries of Cabeiri at the Sanctuary of the Great Gods, on the island of Samothrace. One year later, in 356 BC, Philip's race horse won in the Olympic Games; for this victory his wife, who was known then as Myrtale, received the name Olympias. In the summer of the same year, Olympias gave birth to her first child Alexander. In ancient Greece people believed that the birth of*great man was accompanied by portents. As Plutarch describes, the night before the consummation of their marriage Olympias dreamed that a thunderbolt fell upon her womb and a great fire was kindled, its flames dispersed all about and then were extinguished. After the marriage Philip dreamed that he put a seal upon his wife's womb, the device of which was the figure of a lion. Aristander's interpretation was that Olympias was pregnant of a son whose nature would be bold and lion-like. Philip and Olympias also had a daughter, Cleopatra. Their marriage was very stormy, Philip's volatility and Olympias' jealous temper had led to a growing estrangement. Things got even worse in 337 BC, when Philip married to a noble Macedonian woman, Cleopatra, who was niece of Attalus and after the marriage changed her name to Eurydice. This caused great tensions between Philip, Olympias and Alexander. Olympias went into voluntary exile in Epirus, staying at the Molossian court of her brother Alexander I who was the king at the time, along with her son Alexander who sided with her. In 336 BC, Philip cemented his ties to Alexander I of Epirus by offering him the hand of his and Olympias' daughter Cleopatra in marriage, a fact that led Olympias to further isolation as she could no longer count on her brother's support. However, Philip was murdered by his somatophylax Pausanias while attending the wedding and Olympias, who returned to Macedonia, was suspected of having countenanced his assassination. Impact in politics. Olympias later ordered Eurydice and her child by Philip to be murdered, in order to secure Alexander's position as king of Macedonia. During Alexander's campaigns, she regularly corresponded with him and may have confirmed her son's claim in Egypt that his father was not Philip but Zeus. The relationship between Olympias and Alexander was cordial, but her son kept her away from politics. However, she wielded great influence in Macedonia and caused troubles to Antipater, the regent of the kingdom. In 330 BC, she returned to Epirus and served as a regent to her cousin Aeacides in the Epirote state, as her brother Alexander I had died during a campaign in southern Italy.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Mar 22, 2012 8:36:24 GMT -5
APEIRWTAN means "HPEIRWTWN" in Dorian.... very cool name (btw its the genitive declension)
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Post by rex362 on Mar 22, 2012 9:21:29 GMT -5
you guys all know the common story where Alex has a falling out with daddy at the party .... well according to this common story he drops his mom off in Epiri while he heads for deep into Illyria for over 2 years ... what yo think he was doing in Illyria ... correct visiting his uncles from his mama's side His Illyrian clan leaders convinced him to go back and claim the seat of Macedon before the other bastards of his father beat him to it .... Alex's mom was illyrian as was his grandmother -wife of Amyntys strange thing these Macedonian leaders with Illyrian wife's *dont forget ....Macedon = Illyrians + Thracians ... WHO SUBJUGATED EVERYTHING BELOW THEM AND BURNED IT DOWN ...THEN PUTTING THEIR FACES ON THEIR COINS AS AN INSULT
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Post by kartadolofonos on Mar 22, 2012 10:25:11 GMT -5
Don't panic, Albanian guys !! Everything in the whole World is Greek ;D The Molossians (Greek: Μολοσσοί, Molossoi) were an ancient Greek tribe that ... had emerged from Epirus and were the most powerful among all other tribes. (Greek: Χάονες, Chaones) were an ancient Greek tribe that ... because they once ruled over the whole of Epirus.Thesprotians,were an ancient Greek tribe All the fourteen tribes of Epirus were of Hellenic stock. ILLYRIA AND EPIRUS ANCIENT GREECE GREEK ILLYRIAN CITIES IN THE ADRIATIC COAST !!
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Post by bowandarrow on Mar 22, 2012 18:53:52 GMT -5
Alexander did talk highly of the Thracian and Illyrian tribes. But he was a great because he just said the Thracians and Illyrians were good soldiers.
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 22, 2012 20:15:17 GMT -5
These types of threads are silly.... there's nothing we can add to benefit anyone... The history has been written for all to read.Pretty much this is up there with the threads that state Scanderbeg was Greek.
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Post by ralphtpika on Mar 23, 2012 3:18:01 GMT -5
^^^ OLYMPIAS IS NOT A GREEK NAME??? Depends if you think the greeks pre-date the pelasg, for as far as all are concerned, greeks came after, as with greeks and others in the region adopted the the Pelasg gods into their own cultures belief systems. If Olympus was the abode believed where twelve of the gods resided, then how can it be a greek name, rather a pelasg name adopted by greeks. Im sure all cultures from the region would have adopted names which refer to the pelasg gods. So i shall throw the question back to you, is Olympia a greek name?
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 23, 2012 5:29:28 GMT -5
Let me guess,what were the Pelasgians?
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