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Post by Nikola on May 10, 2012 22:24:12 GMT -5
He has no Dinaric features at all. His nose isn't convex, his face isn't broad, and the upper part of the back of his head isn't flat. He is northern Pontid if anything.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on May 11, 2012 1:56:39 GMT -5
Population movements in northern Greece have done but replacements of the ancient populations living there never happened as well. The descendants of the ancient Thessalians and of Macedonians can still be found in Thessaly and in Macedonia. i know nothing about genetics, (and most people here know nothing as well, we have no certified scientist in here who would shed some light, in a neutral way, we only have mad propagandists serving their silly and unbelievable agenda). Any way, it does not take a rocket scientists to know that the current population of makedonia is analyzed as : 50% locals - mostly vlahs or ex-slav speakers : looks : dark 50% pontians - came after 1921 : true Greek : looks : dark as well There are indeed a small percentage of old genuine slavs in northern greece which could look like the guy in the picture, but as you wanna always say, this percentage is minimal... pls stop poluting the forums with more craziness, and most of all stop lancing yourself self as "serious". You take advantage of innocent people (like alay) and bombard them with BS.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on May 11, 2012 1:57:16 GMT -5
He has no Dinaric features at all. His nose isn't convex, his face isn't broad, and the upper part of the back of his head isn't flat. He is northern Pontid if anything. typical Serb-makedonian does not have flat back of the head man.. that is epirotan-albanian.
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Post by bowandarrow on May 11, 2012 7:59:37 GMT -5
He has no Dinaric features at all. His nose isn't convex, his face isn't broad, and the upper part of the back of his head isn't flat. He is northern Pontid if anything. Convex isn't strictly a Dinaric thing, his face is long ( Dinarics have long faces ) and you cannot see the back of his head clearly.
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Post by bowandarrow on May 11, 2012 8:01:44 GMT -5
He has no Dinaric features at all. His nose isn't convex, his face isn't broad, and the upper part of the back of his head isn't flat. He is northern Pontid if anything. typical Serb-makedonian does not have flat back of the head man.. that is epirotan-albanian. LOL.
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Post by bowandarrow on May 11, 2012 8:02:26 GMT -5
Alay is a Mediterranean and genetically a northern Greek, anything else is just unscientific personal opinions. He looks like a Dinaric Med.
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Post by bowandarrow on May 11, 2012 8:21:42 GMT -5
Alay is a Mediterranean and genetically a northern Greek, anything else is just unscientific personal opinions. If he's Northern Greek then he's Southern Pontic.
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Post by Nikola on May 11, 2012 10:34:24 GMT -5
Corvex isn't strictly a Dinaric thing, his face is long ( Dinarics have long faces ) and you cannot see the back of his head clearly. Dinarics don't have long faces, Pontids do. And you can see the back of his head perfectly in the second picture. This Albanian kid is Dinarid and looks nothing like the guy in this thread.
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Post by alay on May 11, 2012 10:49:36 GMT -5
I'm guessing I don't have a flat part of the upper skull: Pyrros: As far as I know, Hellenas are right about the origin of the J2b-M12 to be Greece. But you are of course right, that there are more countries today that have this subclade. The actual ancestor that brought J2b-M12 to Norway could've been of Serbian, German, British, Spanish, Italian, or Greek nationality... And the percentage in me, of whatever ethnicity or mix of ethnicity that my ancestor had, can be next to nothing...it all depends on how long time ago they came to Norway.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on May 11, 2012 12:01:02 GMT -5
ULF said that this particular genetic characteristic cannot dictate facial structure. BTW, when i was in sweden (very young) i was shocked to see SO many dark haired native people in the north of the country. I am talking about smth a little darker than the brunette in ABBA. I think you could fit for a northern swede as well! (but norwegians and swedes are too close genetically already
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Post by alay on May 11, 2012 14:01:59 GMT -5
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Post by Hellenas on May 11, 2012 16:04:31 GMT -5
i know nothing about genetics, (and most people here know nothing as well, we have no certified scientist in here who would shed some light, in a neutral way, we only have mad propagandists serving their silly and unbelievable agenda). Yes, conserning genetics you are completely illiterate as well, so please close your mouth, you don't know everything as you think. Who is "mad", "propagandist", "silly" and have "unbelievable agenda", me? In this case let me remind you that nothing is mine, you liar, all came from Scientific sites and from serious Scientists as well. Where is the scientific sourse for these nonsense? The fyromians? You slav-licker... Most of Macedonia is inhabited by the descendants of the ancient Greek Macedonians, not by vlah-speakers, not by slav-speakers or Pontiac Greeks, those form minorities in Macedonia as well. LINK: Most of Greek Macedonians are indigenous in their area and belong to the Aegean and the Epirotic anthropological type.WIKIPEDIAPreface"Greek populations have inhabited the region of Macedonia since ancient times."Origins "There is documented Greek presence in Macedonia since antiquity. Today, due to the history of the area, there are some small linguistic communities of Aromanian and Slavic speaking Macedonians, using their various dialects in some social situations, while identifying themselves as ethnic Greeks. After the 1923 population exchange between Greece and Turkey, half of the refugees from Asia Minor, Pontus, and Eastern Thrace settled in the region.[43]"en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonians_(Greeks)Minority populationsSlavic-speakers. Aromanians. Megleno-Romanians. Arvanites. The Jews of Thessaloniki. OthersRomaniotes, Armenians and Roma. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_(Greece)I will say nothing as well, as I don't express personal opinions here like you, ONLY SCIENCE: NORTH GREECE= 18% R1a. www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtmlIt is not "old genuine slavic" as you said, as it mostly came from ancient Greece and alay is too dark for a "slav", he is a northern Greek Mediterranean or a south Pontid for Russian Anthropologists. Who is "polluting the forums with craziness"? The Scientists??? I only quote them. You are a crazy anti-Greek slav-licking traitor as well, not me.
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Post by ulf on May 11, 2012 16:53:00 GMT -5
Old Greeks were very dark, certainly more darker than modern ones.
R1a in northern Greece is still by far not tested enough but you can bet your money it will turn on the same as Slavic one, for a simple fact because Slavic R1a has oldest branches. So far oldest R1a were found in Russia, Poland and Slovakia(in Europe)
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Post by bowandarrow on May 11, 2012 17:09:24 GMT -5
Dude R1a R1b is from the Caucasus
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Post by bowandarrow on May 11, 2012 17:12:38 GMT -5
Corvex isn't strictly a Dinaric thing, his face is long ( Dinarics have long faces ) and you cannot see the back of his head clearly. Dinarics don't have long faces, Pontids do. And you can see the back of his head perfectly in the second picture. This Albanian kid is Dinarid and looks nothing like the guy in this thread. Dinarics have longer faces Pontics are rounder. His ( guy who started the thread ) hair is too thick to judge how the back of his head is. I can't tell the child is turned to the side. But his chin and jaw looks long If he was Pontic he'd look more like this
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Post by bowandarrow on May 11, 2012 17:22:25 GMT -5
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Post by ulf on May 11, 2012 17:24:52 GMT -5
Dude R1a R1b is from the Caucasus Look, that is outdated theory proven by many ancient burial excavations, so I don't need to prove you anything. I don't speak blindly about this, because scientists already did it for me, its your choice to believe it or not. Beside: "Data so far collected indicates that there two widely separated areas of high frequency, one in South Asia, around Indo-Gangetic Plain, and the other in Eastern Europe, around Poland and Ukraine."
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Post by bowandarrow on May 11, 2012 17:39:34 GMT -5
Apart of the Caucasus is in Eastern Europe so I am kind of agreeing with you here. ^
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Post by ulf on May 11, 2012 17:43:38 GMT -5
Apart of the Caucasus is in Eastern Europe so I am kind of agreeing with you here. ^ This is my last spam post here: As it can be seen, in Caucasian region its almost as present as in Balkan, so quite negligible
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Post by Hellenas on May 11, 2012 17:47:12 GMT -5
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