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Post by albascorp on Jun 24, 2012 15:54:53 GMT -5
When debating about our territorial disputes you always rely on the "ancients" and some "fact" that you were first in the Balkans and that Slavs "invaded". So yes, I'm sticking to my point. Without the "who came first argument" - you have nothing. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slav[glow=red,2,300]The Slavic autonym is reconstructed in Proto-Slavic as Slověninъ. The oldest documents written in Old Church Slavonic and dating from the 9th century attest [/glow]Словѣне Slověne to describe the Slavs. Other early Slavic attestations include Old East Slavic Словене Slověně for "an East Slavic group near Novgorod." [glow=red,2,300]However, the earliest written references to the Slavs under this name are in other languages. In the 6th century AD Procopius writing in Byzantine Greek[/glow] refers to the Σκλάβοι Sklaboi, Σκλαβηνοί Sklabēnoi, Σκλαυηνοί Sklauenoi, Σθλαβηνοί Sthlauenoi, or Σκλαβῖνοι Sklabinoi,[26] while his contemporary Jordanes refers to the Sclaveni in Latin.[27] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrians[glow=red,2,300]The historical beginning of the peoples we later know as Illyrians is placed at approximately 1000 BC[/glow] and a little music for my kosova serbs who wil in shortly return to their homes and wave kosovas flag
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 24, 2012 23:11:29 GMT -5
"Slavs didn't function as "conquerers" they functioned as settlers. If the Slavs wanted to eliminate you they would've."
EXACTLY UZ.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 24, 2012 23:16:40 GMT -5
"First you said that we come from Kaukaz, than you said we come from Sicily, than you said we are Normands, than you said we are Slavs BUT ALBANIANS SAY THAT WE ARE ILLYRIANS AND ONLY ILLYRIANS! - ILIR DHE KRENAR!"
In Armenia there is a town called ARBERANI, in turkey there is Dardenelles, so my conclusion is your some kind of caucasus/anatolian tribe brought to the balkans by Byzantines to fight the Serboi.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 24, 2012 23:18:12 GMT -5
Valmir, your word KISH (church) is used by Armenians/caucasus' peoples
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Post by Srpski Svet on Jun 24, 2012 23:48:41 GMT -5
The Slavs were granted free land in the western Balkans by the rightful owners of that land - The Roman Empire - the reason being was that the western Balkans at the time was virtually abandoned and Rome needed populations there to carry on economy and civilization in these cruel parts.
Shiptars were irrelevant then, as they are now.
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Post by micsokoli on Jun 25, 2012 0:09:30 GMT -5
Valmir, your word KISH (church) is used by Armenians/caucasus' peoples nice try fukcityfuck but you are always stuck in amateur hour bicause KISHA is come from the Latin CHIESA but no its ok keep spilling more of your dumb shit pathetic shit in fact we get most of our christian terminology from the Katolik Latins same with PRIFTI from the Latin PRETE and albanian UNGJILL from the latin VANGELO but ok man its no problem we are from caucasus and we are happy to steal your lands and stuff and you keep making stupid shit up just dont cry too much ok spongebob crybaby?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 25, 2012 1:23:43 GMT -5
^ Kish means Church in Armenian/Caucasus languages, as in your Albanian. Don't give me some stupid and retarded explaination. I know your origins come from Arberani in Armenia also. ;D
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 25, 2012 1:38:51 GMT -5
Slavs arrived at the time when Byzantine empire was fighting wars of survival in Anatolia against mighty Persians. Slavs and Avars in comparison to Persians were probably regarded by Byzantines as benign pests. Much of Byzantine Balkans were left undefended and thus militarily sacrificed to mainly Slavs. Slavs were much less numerous then defenseless native population but dominated it having organized military formations. Destruction of many cities across Illyricum, Macedonia and Thrace also brought cultural devastation of the natives and dark ages over next several centuries. Some natives probably became absorbed into slavic masses through capture for instance. Remaining natives probably moved to highlands and became Vlachs that with time became Serbs, Croats or Bulgarians (explains why anthropologically or genetically Balkans slavs are not exactly "slavic"). Handful of Spaniards took millions of native Americans in central America (that got assimilated into spanish culture) is but one similar example. Avar threat While the Byzantines had been occupied with the Persians, the Avars and Slavs had poured into the Balkans, capturing several Byzantine cities, namely Singidunum (Belgrade), Viminacium (Kostolac), Naissus (Niš), and Sardica (Sofia), and destroying Salona in 614. However, numerous attempts by the Slavs and Avars to take Thessalonica, the most important Byzantine city in the Balkans after Constantinople, ended in failure, allowing the Empire to hold onto a vital stronghold in the region.[85] Other minor cities on the Adriatic coast like Jadar (Zadar), Tragurium (Trogir), Butua (Budva), Scodra (Skadar), and Lissus (Ljes) also survived the invasions.[86] Isidore of Seville even claims that the Slavs took "Greece" from the Byzantines.[87] The Avars also began to raid Thrace, threatening commerce and agriculture, even near the gates of Constantinople.[87]
Because of the need to defend against these incursions, the Byzantines could not afford to use all their forces against the Persians. Heraclius sent an envoy to the Avar Khagan, saying that the Byzantines would pay a tribute in return for the Avars' withdrawing north of the Danube.[64] The Khagan replied by asking for a meeting on 5 June 623, at Heraclea in Thrace, where the Avar army was located; Heraclius agreed to this meeting, coming with his royal court.[88] The Khagan, however, put horsemen en route to Heraclea to ambush and capture Heraclius, so they could hold him for ransom.[89] Heraclius was fortunately warned in time and managed to escape, chased by the Avars all the way to Constantinople. Many members of his court however, as well as an alleged 70,000 Thracian peasants who came to see their Emperor, were captured and killed by the Khagan's men.[90] Despite this treachery, Heraclius was forced to give the Avars a subsidy of 200,000 solidi along with his illegitimate son John Athalarichos, his nephew Stephen, and the illegitimate son of the patrician Bonus as hostages in return for peace. This left him more able to focus his war effort completely on the Persians.[89][91] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine–Sassanid_War_of_602–628#Avar_threatthis should be in the same ranks with the classic fairy tales ..... its like saying today : poor england-america was in iraq and left ..... washington/london .... undefended... its self-contradicting crap. BTW Sofia was not named Sardica, but Sredica or Serdica (you know sred = center)
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Post by micsokoli on Jun 25, 2012 1:50:40 GMT -5
^ Kish means Church in Armenian/Caucasus languages, as in your Albanian. Don't give me some stupid and retarded explaination. I know your origins come from Arberani in Armenia also. ;D stupid ass you should write another stupid ass language book for your dumbass serb idea friends o wait you are all reading the same stupid script anyway it doesnt matter if albainas are sudanese nigros well still get the great albania because we are illyrian anyway and you dont even know what an indoeuropean language means so i have to tell your dumb ass
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Post by micsokoli on Jun 25, 2012 2:25:15 GMT -5
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 25, 2012 2:37:51 GMT -5
so kishe comes from ecclesia ? LOL!!!!! LMAO!!! 1st - ecclesia is not latin, it is a greek word from ek-klisis, ek-kalo, etc.. (its almost known to anybody with bare minimum knowledge of greek) 2nd kishe has no phonetic or other resemblance to the word ekklisia
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Post by micsokoli on Jun 25, 2012 2:48:57 GMT -5
so kishe comes from ecclesia ? LOL!!!!! LMAO!!! 1st - ecclesia is not latin, it is a greek word from ek-klisis, ek-kalo, etc.. (its almost known to anybody with bare minimum knowledge of greek) 2nd kishe has no phonetic or other resemblance to the word ekklisia so your stupid ass too, who the fuck are you anyway i wasnt talking to you well all hail prince obvious of course it come from the greek because Christianity came from the hebrews through greek aramaic but they are all releated words sillyboy its EKKLISIA in greek ECCLESSIA in latin EGLISE in french IGLESIA spanish KISHA in albanian you dumbshit but we didnt get from the greeks we got it from italina and it follow similar development from other latin loans dont be stupid around me please its like arguing where name John come from, it Yanny in Greek, Giovanni in italian, Jean in french, Gjon in albanian all to say the same thing but you look more dumbshit than novi so maybe you too can write book together after beating it off to skype video chat and wiping dickus on curtains ok buddyboy leave it to proffessionals next time
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 25, 2012 3:17:47 GMT -5
I told you that the root is greek, the others just copied it as is. Now I even find the spanish word "iglesia" closer phonetically than ... kishe.... And we are talking about two nations (supposed illyrians, greeks) that YOUR PROPAGANDA claims are ancient to the lands... and adjacent to each other more 1000s of years. Wouldn't it be more natural that the greatest similarity was between the alb-greek version than the greek-spanish versions?
(not that i expect a decent answer from an albino)
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Post by micsokoli on Jun 25, 2012 3:23:02 GMT -5
look silly goose boy with a shitty attitude all you get is the natural answer, let the professionals do the speaking little buddy this is ethnik albania
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 25, 2012 3:34:30 GMT -5
^ What do you expect from Albanians Pyrro, nothing as always. In Ancient Caucasian Albania there is an ancient Kish in Shaki town, todays modern Azerbaijan. Its one of the few remaining original Shqipe words remaining in their own language.
I agree with you man, how can a word morph into Kishe from ecclesia, freaken ridiculous, is it one of those MISUNDERSTANDINGS from Albanians that 1 X 10 = 20 njezet or moter = sister, while they were stealing IE words from their neighbours to create this Shqipe language
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 25, 2012 3:41:20 GMT -5
Read and Enjoy, Micsokoli: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ki%C5%9F,_Shaki Does it make sense, why: However, the oldest Christian church in the Caucasus - the Albanian "Church of Kish" - founded by the apostle Yelisey in Sheki, as well as the Gandzasar, Targmanchats and Amaras monasteries in Karabagh have reached our times in relative good shape. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_influence_in_Caucasian_AlbaniaPS Its the original Shqipe word brought to the Balkans from somewhere over there
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 25, 2012 3:48:44 GMT -5
The toponym Sheki, sounds so freaken Albanian/Shqiptar ;D
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Post by micsokoli on Jun 25, 2012 3:54:15 GMT -5
The toponym Sheki, sounds so freaken Albanian/Shqiptar ;D sure thing chief thats why Kosova asht e Shqypnis ;D but its ok too because nothing wrong with Alb-Illyrian kindgom go all the way to Armenia the original indoeuropean homeland
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 25, 2012 4:09:26 GMT -5
^ What do you expect from Albanians Pyrro, nothing as always. In Ancient Caucasian Albania there is an ancient Kish in Shaki town, todays modern Azerbaijan. Its one of the few remaining original Shqipe words remaining in their own language. I agree with you man, how can a word morph into Kishe from ecclesia, freaken ridiculous, is it one of those MISUNDERSTANDINGS from Albanians that 1 X 10 = 20 njezet or moter = sister, while they were stealing IE words from their neighbours to create this Shqipe language what?? moter = sister??? LOL, those chechens cannot even copy correctly man i am just using the google xlate : translate.google.com/#en|sq|sister%0Amother%0Abrother%0Afather%0Awater%0Aone%0Atwo%0Athree%0Aten%0Atwenty%0AUN_FUCKING_LIEVABLE !!! this albo language is so paranoid
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 25, 2012 4:11:14 GMT -5
The toponym Sheki, sounds so freaken Albanian/Shqiptar ;D sure thing chief thats why Kosova asht e Shqypnis ;D but its ok too because nothing wrong with Alb-Illyrian kindgom go all the way to Armenia the original indoeuropean homeland you fucking rats your original homeland is the toilet drain...
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