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Post by radovic on Apr 16, 2008 22:58:40 GMT -5
List of terrorist groups with anti-Yugoslav agenda that existed in the late 1970s Croatian Intelligence Service Croatian National Liberation Forces-Fighters for a Free Croatia Croatian National Resistance Freedom for the Serbian Fatherland (SOPO) Trotskyist Organization Young Croatian Army for Freedom Young Croatian Republican Army www.mipt.org/GetDoc.asp?id=2320&type=d
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Post by CiKoLa on Apr 16, 2008 23:23:59 GMT -5
And without them we wouldnt have had a free and independent Croatia today. Thank-you!!
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Post by radovic on Apr 17, 2008 11:33:39 GMT -5
^ Then you don;t know anything about history. None of those had anything to do with Croatia's independence or movement towards independence. All they did was attack embassies, blow up 1 plane and kill a bunch of Croats who didn't agree with them.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 17, 2008 14:05:11 GMT -5
Freedom for the Serbian Fatherland (SOPO) We only had one? Then again, Serbs were never known for having good organization skills. I guess its impressive that we even had one.
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Post by radovic on Apr 17, 2008 21:01:24 GMT -5
^ The fact that we had one is nothing to be proud of. This people were terrorists. The idea of slamming an airplane into the WTC came from a member of the Serb group who planned to slam into the CK building and kill Tito and scores of innocent civilians.
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Post by CiKoLa on Apr 17, 2008 22:13:19 GMT -5
I'd hate to think where we would be now had these organisations not existed. It sends shivers down my spine just thinking about it.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 17, 2008 22:38:16 GMT -5
^ The fact that we had one is nothing to be proud of. This people were terrorists. The idea of slamming an airplane into the WTC came from a member of the Serb group who planned to slam into the CK building and kill Tito and scores of innocent civilians. You mean he was planning to kill a man who slaughtered thousands of Serbs based on political affiliation and some people who were Tito sympathizers.
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Post by radovic on Apr 18, 2008 9:31:29 GMT -5
I'd hate to think where we would be now had these organisations not existed. It sends shivers down my spine just thinking about it. you'd be in the same position you are now. These groups literally contributed nothing to Croatia's independence. All they did was kill people outside Yugoslavia, not within it. Furthermore, when has a terrorist group actually achieved it's objective?
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Post by radovic on Apr 18, 2008 9:32:24 GMT -5
^ The fact that we had one is nothing to be proud of. This people were terrorists. The idea of slamming an airplane into the WTC came from a member of the Serb group who planned to slam into the CK building and kill Tito and scores of innocent civilians. You mean he was planning to kill a man who slaughtered thousands of Serbs based on political affiliation and some people who were Tito sympathizers. Had he dones what he did he would have killed Tito and some 10 or so top communists with hundreds of innocent serbs. The simple fact is he (Nikola Kavaja) is a terrorist and deserves no respect.
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Post by CiKoLa on Apr 19, 2008 2:40:08 GMT -5
What was the name of the serbian terrorist group who framed a group of Croats in Australia in the 1970's only to be exposed on Australian tv later on?
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Post by fenian on Apr 19, 2008 9:35:39 GMT -5
Is the reason why Bosnian Muslims and Turkish minority had no named organizations in this list that they were loyalist citizens or were their organizations not considered in 'terrorists groups' by the Yugoslavian secret service?
By the way, I find it very interesting that Slovenians(who declared the independence first) had no organizations willing for a separation.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 20, 2008 6:52:01 GMT -5
What was the name of the serbian terrorist group who framed a group of Croats in Australia in the 1970's only to be exposed on Australian tv later on? What goes on in your imagination should stay in your imagination. Had he dones what he did he would have killed Tito and some 10 or so top communists with hundreds of innocent serbs. The simple fact is he (Nikola Kavaja) is a terrorist and deserves no respect. He pushed a German soldier down a well when he was a kid. He fought against the anti-Serb communist dictatorship. For that he already has my respect. As for the Usce plot, the only "innocents" he would have killed would have been communist bureaucrats.
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Post by stickinthemud on Apr 20, 2008 15:30:33 GMT -5
I don't find it surprising that the majority of those groups were foreign based Croatian. What about that Trot organization? Is it actually a group or a description of a Trotskyist group?
Croats and Slovenes were disenfranchised ever since 1918 in Yugoslavia. Certainly the actions taken by these groups were extreme but I wouldn't call it blind ambition and I don't think its a handy excuse to detract from the atrocities the Yugoslav state has perpetrated on its own people it was supposed to govern.
Radovic, I do believe, particularly in the Croatian case, that many of these foreign based Croats funded the 90s war effort. It would not be surprising if those same Croats had ties to these groups, at least in the past.
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Post by zgembo on Apr 22, 2008 7:33:39 GMT -5
Is the reason why Bosnian Muslims and Turkish minority had no named organizations in this list that they were loyalist citizens or were their organizations not considered in 'terrorists groups' by the Yugoslavian secret service? By the way, I find it very interesting that Slovenians(who declared the independence first) had no organizations willing for a separation. The civil war fought in Yugoslavia during WW2 was between Partisans, Chetniks and the Ustashe. The latter two groups lost which is why some among them never accepted the loss and perpetuated these terrorist attacks. It was much less among Serbs because the Treaty of Vis in 1944 was a peace deal of sorts between Partisans and Chetniks (many Chetniks received a pardon and joined the Partizans).
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 22, 2008 11:52:56 GMT -5
The civil war fought in Yugoslavia during WW2 was between Partisans, Chetniks and the Ustashe. The latter two groups lost which is why some among them never accepted the loss and perpetuated these terrorist attacks. It was much less among Serbs because the Treaty of Vis in 1944 was a peace deal of sorts between Partisans and Chetniks (many Chetniks received a pardon and joined the Partizans). Amnesty was given to the Ustasha as well. Most of the Chetniks under Draza fought to the death or died from disease. The other groups who called themselves Chetniks were either killed in 1944 by Draza for being collaborators or ran off in 1945.
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Post by fenian on Apr 23, 2008 12:00:23 GMT -5
Is the reason why Bosnian Muslims and Turkish minority had no named organizations in this list that they were loyalist citizens or were their organizations not considered in 'terrorists groups' by the Yugoslavian secret service? By the way, I find it very interesting that Slovenians(who declared the independence first) had no organizations willing for a separation. The civil war fought in Yugoslavia during WW2 was between Partisans, Chetniks and the Ustashe. The latter two groups lost which is why some among them never accepted the loss and perpetuated these terrorist attacks. It was much less among Serbs because the Treaty of Vis in 1944 was a peace deal of sorts between Partisans and Chetniks (many Chetniks received a pardon and joined the Partizans). Thanks for the explanation, Mapko.
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Post by CiKoLa on Apr 24, 2008 1:49:02 GMT -5
The civil war fought in Yugoslavia during WW2 was between Partisans, Chetniks and the Ustashe. The latter two groups lost which is why some among them never accepted the loss and perpetuated these terrorist attacks. It was much less among Serbs because the Treaty of Vis in 1944 was a peace deal of sorts between Partisans and Chetniks (many Chetniks received a pardon and joined the Partizans). Amnesty was given to the Ustasha as well. Most of the Chetniks under Draza fought to the death or died from disease. The other groups who called themselves Chetniks were either killed in 1944 by Draza for being collaborators or ran off in 1945. Dont forget that Draza himself was executed for treason by the serbian partisans for collaborating with the NAZIS.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 24, 2008 4:08:40 GMT -5
Dont forget that Draza himself was executed for treason by the serbian partisans for collaborating with the NAZIS. Only a fool would believe that communists kill for the reasons they state.
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Post by CiKoLa on Apr 24, 2008 6:50:51 GMT -5
^^ interesting u should say that. The communists would also have us believe that most of the victims of Bleiburg were soliders. Thank-you for bring that also into question.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 26, 2008 7:16:35 GMT -5
^^ interesting u should say that. The communists would also have us believe that most of the victims of Bleiburg were soliders. Thank-you for bring that also into question. So they ran because... they were Yugoslav Royalists? That is unlikely since they would have been killed by the Ustasha during the WW2 period if they were. The only people who died at Bleiburg were either Ustasha or Yugoslav Royalists.
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