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Post by radovic on Mar 29, 2008 19:18:49 GMT -5
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Post by ilirdardani on Mar 29, 2008 19:23:31 GMT -5
Big difference, as we Albanians (illyrians) always lived in the Balkans and Kosova was our home so we had rights to it.
Mexicans on the other hand have no right to claim southern US, as they migrated from Mexico (and other latin american countries) and they're all bums anyway. lol
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Post by kiki on Mar 29, 2008 19:26:53 GMT -5
actually mexico has claims on southern cali. as it was once thers.
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Post by ilirdardani on Mar 29, 2008 19:35:12 GMT -5
The only people that can claim "Americas" are the native americans, which today are very low in number (its a tragedy what happened to them). Other than that, both "Americas" south and north, are mixed with Europeans, Africans, and Asians.
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Post by vinjak on Mar 29, 2008 19:35:40 GMT -5
Ilirdardani,
Hypotheticaly speaking if they formed a liberation movement and boycotted US institutions and set up a parallel government how do you think the US government should respond ?
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Post by SKORIC on Mar 29, 2008 19:35:58 GMT -5
Texas , and other southern states were annexed by the US.
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Post by radovic on Mar 29, 2008 19:41:16 GMT -5
The only people that can claim "Americas" are the native americans, which today are very low in number (its a tragedy what happened to them). Other than that, both "Americas" south and north, are mixed with Europeans, Africans, and Asians. So you are denying the fact that the vast majority, 60%+, Mexicans are of Amerindian descent. So basically you are saying that even though mexicans have Amerindian ancestry they can not cl;aim lands that belonged to their ancestors.
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Post by nemapravdebreee on Mar 29, 2008 19:51:41 GMT -5
Not to mention that the states took those lands unjustly Radovic. Mexico abolished slavery, and Texas which was part of Mexico at the time forced American nationals who were living in the territory to relinquish their slaves. The Americans refused to obey the law of the country they resided in and the Mexicans sent in troops, then you have the Alamo garbage happen and the US military got involved and took that land.
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Post by ilirdardani on Mar 29, 2008 19:54:23 GMT -5
The only Native Americans I know live in reservation camps.
As for your question Vinjak, I suppose if those states wanted to be left alone, I say give them the right. Its time that everyone had right to "rule" or shall I say "govern" themselves in any way they want to. (democratically of course)
But, let me say that I don't see it ever happening in the US, since most of the states, as they currently are, benefit from being in the union, and the Mexicans (and other latin americans) have right to speak their language, have their own schools, etc etc. If it wasn't good in the US, they wouldn't leave Mexico and cross the border.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 29, 2008 20:01:30 GMT -5
"Big difference, as we Albanians (illyrians) always lived in the Balkans and Kosova was our home so we had rights to it." So u think one or two coincidental words like ilir or dardani makes albanians illyrians, you know they can be loan words?....however dardan is anatolian like dardanelles What does these illyrian words mean: Lugo, oseriatis, metu, kish, bra, vesa, barba, lugini, trtigo, sybina, teuta, vleves, abeis, pelso, alt, plo, brisa, mag, bako? Some of them even have the same meaning in serbo-croatian, so does that make them illyrians as well? Hey Rado, l have heard of the mexican Aztlan before and they are wanting to reclaim their lost territories.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 29, 2008 20:03:55 GMT -5
Skoric from the maps you show above, approximately half of the USA was bought!.
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Post by nemapravdebreee on Mar 29, 2008 20:31:16 GMT -5
The only Native Americans I know live in reservation camps. As for your question Vinjak, I suppose if those states wanted to be left alone, I say give them the right. Its time that everyone had right to "rule" or shall I say "govern" themselves in any way they want to. (democratically of course) But, let me say that I don't see it ever happening in the US, since most of the states, as they currently are, benefit from being in the union, and the Mexicans (and other latin americans) have right to speak their language, have their own schools, etc etc. If it wasn't good in the US, they wouldn't leave Mexico and cross the border. So you support RS then?
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Post by ilirdardani on Mar 29, 2008 20:41:49 GMT -5
I actually do, just like the Serbians in Kosovo should have that right and just like the Albanians in Serbia (presevo valley) should have that right.
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Post by radovic on Mar 29, 2008 20:43:14 GMT -5
^ No one should be surprised at that statement. I've heard several Albanians say that.
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Post by c0gnate on Mar 29, 2008 20:44:57 GMT -5
All of the United States was stolen. As was Canada. And Mexico. And South America, Australia, and New Zealand.
But if you look at any other part of the world, and are willing to go far enough into the past, every square millimeter of land was stolen from someone at one time or another.
The question is, how do you establish property rights? What is to be done about a just control over land (or territory)? Do we always have to fight each other to the death over it or is there another way?
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Post by Anthologic on Mar 29, 2008 21:24:30 GMT -5
Big difference, as we Albanians (illyrians) always lived in the Balkans and Kosova was our home so we had rights to it. Hi ilir, you may not have been taught about native south americans wherever you're from, but the fact is that the majority of common folk in mexico have aztec forefathers and only the elite politicians are pure spanish. Good try though. The only real difference is that there is a defined historical timeline of the aztecan and mayan histories, where as illyria is rather jumbled up between roman and hellenic histories. I would suggest you look up "mexico" and "amerindians" on wikipedia. Thank you. Please don't bother posting again.
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Post by Anthologic on Mar 29, 2008 21:25:39 GMT -5
The question is, how do you establish property rights? What is to be done about a just control over land (or territory)? Do we always have to fight each other to the death over it or is there another way? Exactly, go back far enough and all we have is Africa.
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Post by toskali4springbrk on Mar 30, 2008 1:18:40 GMT -5
The only difference is that American can wipe clean most of its belligerent southern immigrants in a few days without anyone in the world making a single peep. Most Mexicans and other immigrants who assimilate also become very good Americans; very often, quite conservative and nativist. In America, all you see is immigrants looking to make a life like the white WAP's whom they idealize.
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Post by albaniansoul on Mar 30, 2008 8:42:51 GMT -5
Whats the problem if anything is bought? If for example, Serbia wishes to buy RS from Bosnia and Bosnia wants to sell it. Who gives a shit?
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Post by isisgoing on Mar 30, 2008 9:58:56 GMT -5
Texas , and other southern states were annexed by the US. Actually YOU"RE WRONG on this case. Texas people WON its independence from MEXICO in 1837 from Santa Ana and existed as an Independent Republic for many years prior to its annexation by the US, and after it won the war with MEXICO when it was declared in 1945 by Santa Ana !!! OriginsIn 1837, the Republic of Texas, having just won its independence from Mexico, voted to consent to its annexation by the U.S. Initially, when the Texas minister (ambassador) in Washington, D.C., proposed annexation to the administration of Martin Van Buren in August 1837, the request was refused since the administration anticipated that it would lead to war with Mexico. Texas withdrew the annexation offer in 1838, and chose to exist as an independent nation, recognized by the United States, United Kingdom, France and Holland. In 1843, Britain opposed annexation, but President John Tyler decided to support annexation. Despite the fact that Mexican dictator Antonio López de Santa Anna warned that annexation would be "equivalent to a declaration of war," Tyler signed the treaty of annexation with Texas in April 1844. The Senate overwhelmingly rejected it on June 8: 35 to 16. The Constitution requires a two-thirds majority vote in the Senate to confirm a treaty. James Polk, a strong supporter of territorial expansion, won the Presidency in November 1844. Tyler, knowing the Senate would not ratify the treaty, changed course and had his allies in Congress submit the annexation bill as a joint resolution in December. With President-elect Polk's quiet support, Congress approved annexation on 28 February 1845. The vote in the Senate was 27 to 25. Tyler approved the Joint Resolution, which called for annexation of Texas to be concluded by the end of December 1845, on March 1. However, as this was done via a Joint Resolution of Congress, some scholars believe it is not legal under international law This has led to questions about the Legal status of Texas. Consent and ratificationAfter extensive negotiation by the American chargé d'affaires to Texas, Andrew Jackson Donelson, nephew of former president Andrew Jackson, Republic of Texas President Anson Jones, former Texas president Sam Houston, and the Texas congress consented to the annexation. Texas ratified the Treaty on July 4. On 29 December 1845, President Polk approved Texas's admission to the Union as a state. A factor in the Texas annexation discussions in the United States was the realization of the northern states that there would be two new slave state Senators when Texas was admitted. Although Mexico had outlawed slavery completely years prior to Texas independence, slavery was allowed to continue in Mexican Texas, and continued to exist in Texas during its years as an independent Republic. Mexico broke off diplomatic relations with the U.S. in 1845 over the issue, which eventually led to the Mexican-American war the following year. The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo ended the war when the U.S. ratified the treaty on March 10, 1848. The treaty allowed the U.S. to purchase California and other areas from Mexico on the condition that Americans would honor Mexican culture and values. The annexation of Texas was highly controversial amongst the states and contributed to widening American sectionalism leading up to the Civil War. On February 19, 1846, a ceremony was held to mark the official transfer of authority, and Texas President Anson Jones proclaimed: "The final act in this great drama is now performed. The Republic of Texas is no more." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Annexation
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