Trazi Vise
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Post by Trazi Vise on Jun 29, 2008 8:54:48 GMT -5
You are wrong, the war didn't start because of this notion. You surely must know this by now. So wa\e somehow started hatred (apparantly again) in order for our cities and towns to be demolished, I don't think so.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 29, 2008 10:05:14 GMT -5
You are wrong, the war didn't start because of this notion. You surely must know this by now. So wa\e somehow started hatred (apparantly again) in order for our cities and towns to be demolished, I don't think so. What about Croatians downgrading the status of Serbs in the constitution? What about the Dalmatian Pogroms? What about Tudjman downplaying the crimes of the Ustasha? Are you telling me these actions aren't that of xenophobes?
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Trazi Vise
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Post by Trazi Vise on Jun 29, 2008 12:12:18 GMT -5
I was replying to your comment that racism/xenophobia started the war. What you are talking about has nothing at all to do with the before/during/ and after facts of the war; and why the war occured.
What downgrading are you specifically talking about? In my eyes everyone was a winner and Serbs enjoy much the same as we do. I was talking to my cousin who was here recently on holiday, he lives in Osijek. He befriened a Serb for not only business, but also pleasure. They seem to have the same rights in Osijek and the same mentality for the future.
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Post by tiprat on Jun 29, 2008 21:05:59 GMT -5
Ustasa was born when a serb put a bullet in stjepan radic in Jugo parliament,
end of the day its croatia....
and croatia never invaded serbia....
war was on our soil.
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Anthologic
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Post by Anthologic on Jun 29, 2008 21:19:55 GMT -5
Somebody is making sockpuppet accounts with spartacus' and tiprat's names.
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Post by markosijekira on Jun 29, 2008 22:53:12 GMT -5
"What downgrading are you specifically talking about?"
I think he is talking about the change made by Tudjmans government changing the status of Serbs from a Constitute Nation to national minority. What he did was give Seselj and his thugs the proof they needed that the new Croatia was a second coming of the old NDH. It did not really matter if that was the case or not, a large group of angry people will buy it
To be honest it wasn’t that easy for Serbs in areas under Croatian control. Some local gov clerks even told my mom if she wanted to get benefits, she better divorce my dad. My dad’s friends Kafana was bombed with frag grenades in the night...and my teacher who was from Belgrade was fired... This was 60km behind the front lines On the bright side all my family’s Croatian friends very supportive to my dad, and understood why he could not go fight in the HkoV.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 30, 2008 0:44:28 GMT -5
I was replying to your comment that racism/xenophobia started the war. What you are talking about has nothing at all to do with the before/during/ and after facts of the war; and why the war occured. Tudjman downplaying the holocaust and the downgrading of Serbs in the constitution happened before the war. What downgrading are you specifically talking about? Go from an ethnic group recognised as an integral part of the nation and who has equal historical claim to the land to an ethnic minority who doest have historical claim to the land. In my eyes everyone was a winner and Serbs enjoy much the same as we do. I was talking to my cousin who was here recently on holiday, he lives in Osijek. He befriened a Serb for not only business, but also pleasure. They seem to have the same rights in Osijek and the same mentality for the future. In Yugoslavia/Krajina, Serbs are an equal ethnic group who are allowed to study their own language and celebrate their own culture. In Croatia, Serbs are an ethnic minority in a country whose legal system, etc. are dominated by Croats and they have to go to schools where their language and culture is suppressed (and their homes have either been wiped off the map or the biased legal system in Croatia doesn't allow them to retake their land from Croatian squatters.) By language I mean the Cyrillic alphabet. Ustasa was born when a serb put a bullet in stjepan radic in Jugo parliament, end of the day its croatia.... and croatia never invaded serbia.... war was on our soil. Croatia invaded Krajina which was Serb land. GTFO, troll.
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Post by tiprat on Jun 30, 2008 1:23:04 GMT -5
you serbs are the most Hallucinated people in existence.
contradicte yourselves like CRAZY
you think its all yours....
but it isnt.........thats why you lost everything you stole...
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Post by Trazi Vise on Jun 30, 2008 1:25:29 GMT -5
^^^You are going off topic once again, WTF does the holocaust got to do with '91??? As I said they have the same rights as we do there as far as I can see. Marko and tiprat are partly right also.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 30, 2008 2:14:57 GMT -5
you serbs are the most Hallucinated people in existence. contradicte yourselves like CRAZY you think its all yours.... but it isnt.........thats why you lost everything you stole... You are nothing but a troll. ^^^You are going off topic once again, WTF does the holocaust got to do with '91??? I am not going off topic. Are you telling me that Tudjman has nothing to do with the war in Croatia? I think you're confused because you didn't read my post. Also, explain to me how the holocaust has nothing to do with Nazis. As I said they have the same rights as we do there as far as I can see. How would you like it if another ethnic group came into your village/town/city and banned your culture, your language and forced you to learn their language and culture? Marko and tiprat are partly right also. About what?
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Post by tiprat on Jun 30, 2008 17:21:12 GMT -5
Deucaon...lol....great come back Kosovo is serbia.....but so is Krajna?.....massive contradiction. serbs...wake up....smell the coffe ;D
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Post by Novus Dis on Jul 1, 2008 3:29:09 GMT -5
Kosovo is serbia.....but so is Krajna?.....massive contradiction. I said Krajina is Serb land which it is. I never stated that it was Serbia and it is not Serbia, nor will it ever be Serbia.
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Post by spartacus on Jul 1, 2008 10:22:32 GMT -5
"krajina is serb land"
now that is absolutely hilarious. I'm sure Mr. Seselj would agree with you on that,,, but everyone else that is mentally sane would not.
And Tudjman was not an Ustasa, he was a Partizan. Many Croatians even think of him as a Partizan.
Croatia's current president, Stephen Littlemeat, is building more Serbian homes and settling Cetniks in Hrvatska so you guys can have another opportunity to cause destruction and blame it on the Ustase.
Ustasa symbols are banned while Serbs throw a fit for displaying Cetnik insignia on Croatian soil! Imagine if the reverse happened.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jul 1, 2008 14:03:17 GMT -5
now that is absolutely hilarious. I'm sure Mr. Seselj would agree with you on that,,, but everyone else that is mentally sane would not. You're one to talk about what the sane would accept. And Tudjman was not an Ustasa, he was a Partizan. Many Croatians even think of him as a Partizan. You're 100% right. He is testament that all Croats can be Serbophobes no matter what their political affiliation. Croatia's current president, Stephen Littlemeat, is building more Serbian homes and settling Cetniks in Hrvatska so you guys can have another opportunity to cause destruction and blame it on the Ustase. Lets take the largest city in Krajina as an example, Knin. Before the war Serbs made over 80% of the population and now they make less then 20% of the population. Sounds to me like Croatia is only making a few symbolic gestures but not actually doing anything to help Krajina Serbs. Ustasa symbols are banned while Serbs throw a fit for displaying Cetnik insignia on Croatian soil! Imagine if the reverse happened. First off, Chetniks are nothing like the Ustasha filth so don't try and compare the two. Secondly, if you are referring to Serbs displaying Serb symbols on Krajina soil then they are displaying it on Serb soil and not Croatian soil. Finally, what Chetnik symbols are you yapping about?
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Post by tiprat on Jul 1, 2008 17:14:00 GMT -5
so serb way if thinking is kosovo is serbian land and krajna is serbian also bit of a contradiction here ladys.
the sooner serbs accept they lost the war...yes LOST the war and were in the wrong the sooner they can move on.
Good way off looking at krajina for all thoes that are new to this topic.........Imagine you have a home (which i am sure you aldrady do), and you lend out 1 room to a person that was in need. ( a serb running from the ottomans) and 1 day this person thinks fark it....this room is mine....no longer owned by the home owner enforcing his own rules, and also thinking i will take as much as i can...............what do you do that that person? you boot him the F#ck out off your house like any normal person.
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Post by terroreign on Jul 1, 2008 20:45:35 GMT -5
Kraijina is just as much Serbian as Kosovo is Albanian, the difference is theres no more serbs in Kraijina lol
The fact is Deucon, you serbs dont belong in croatia, you came there but then you started trouble and tried to destroy the great Croatian country and become part of some non-existent Greater serbia
You basically tried to do the same thing you say the albanians are doing to you
Thats why I say : Zivjelo Nezavisno Kosovo zauvijek i uvijek!
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Post by spartacus on Jul 1, 2008 21:27:33 GMT -5
Knin had a large serb population because serbs began ethnic cleansing in the 90's!!
how about the Serbian government start making reparations for the slaughtered Croatians, muslims, and albanians? But cetniks are held high in glory, the bearded untrained seljaci who carry knives around.
I'm sick of this Serbian rhetoric of completely making a 90 degree turn and blaming their guilt on the Ustase. The Ustase formed for the very reason of Serbian territorial and ethnic ambitions.
Tudjman was not an Ustasa, cedo.
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Post by markosijekira on Jul 1, 2008 22:50:52 GMT -5
"Knin had a large serb population because serbs began ethnic cleansing in the 90's!!"
No, Knin and the whole Krajina region had a large Serb population because by the early 17th century the Hapsburgs had allowed large number of Serbs (although smaller numbers had served there since the 15th century, but mostly croats) who were retreating from the Turkish occupation, into their domain, into the Vojna Krajina, which by that time had already existed for a few hundred years.
The Serbs were granted a freedom of worship, and the entire population was militarized and structured around fortifications. There were still Croats at the border as well, those who staid were freed from serf status. Because of the special status as a military frontier, the kraijna region was lost to the control of the Ban, and the Archduke himself would command the forces there. The Vojna Krajina Serbs such as the Hussars, along with Croats were also used by the Hapsburgs as shock troops in offensive campaigns on other fronts.
Ottomans also used Serbs in their own version of a military krajina, and in fact after they conquered Kinin, most Croats fled, and the city was sort of taken over by Serbs, although there had been a smaller Serb minority in Knin long before that. After the ottoman wars Serbs became the majority.
But Knin is historically as important to the creation of a Croatian state as Kosovo is to Serbia
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Post by tiprat on Jul 2, 2008 1:40:07 GMT -5
"Serbs…..biggest contradiction in Europe "
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Post by Novus Dis on Jul 2, 2008 6:32:28 GMT -5
so serb way if thinking is kosovo is serbian land and krajna is serbian also bit of a contradiction here ladys. Kosovo is SERBIAN. Krajina is SERB. SERBIAN is a nationality. SERB is an ethnicity. Learn the difference. Kraijina is just as much Serbian as Kosovo is Albanian, the difference is theres no more serbs in Kraijina lol Well actually the majority of the Albanians currently in Kosovo are 1st, 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants which means they have been there for some 100-150 years. Most of them are squatters. The majority of Krajina Serbs on the other hand have been in Krajina for 400-500 years. Most of them earned their land through military service. The fact is Deucon, you serbs dont belong in croatia, you came there but then you started trouble and tried to destroy the great Croatian country and become part of some non-existent Greater serbia You just admitted that there is no Greater Serbia so how can someone fight for something that doesn't exist? You basically tried to do the same thing you say the albanians are doing to you Explain how. Knin had a large serb population because serbs began ethnic cleansing in the 90's!! It had a 80%+ Serb majority before the war. how about the Serbian government start making reparations for the slaughtered Croatians, muslims, and albanians? But cetniks are held high in glory, the bearded untrained seljaci who carry knives around. I'm sick of this Serbian rhetoric of completely making a 90 degree turn and blaming their guilt on the Ustase. The Ustase formed for the very reason of Serbian territorial and ethnic ambitions. Tudjman was not an Ustasa, cedo. Just change a few words and BAM: the reality appears... But Knin is historically as important to the creation of a Croatian state as Kosovo is to Serbia Explain how.
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