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Post by hellboy87 on May 6, 2017 21:09:17 GMT -5
SHEEEESHHHH!!!!!
Why aren't the media taking it seriously and why are the authorities being indifferent to it?
Anyway, I don't think these Muslim thugs are religious at all. I think it's just some tribal thing being acted out.
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Post by hellboy87 on May 6, 2017 21:05:19 GMT -5
No viagra,but some back problems and sleep apnea... I hit 59 last month. Yikes!!!! I so fear aging!!!!! Sleep apnea? Yikes!!! Are you overweight or a smoker?? Back problems?? I hear that that is a common complaint amongst older people. Have you tried back massages or acupuncture to alleviate the pain/discomfort? I didn't know you were already 59. I thought you were in your 60's.
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Post by hellboy87 on May 6, 2017 20:57:15 GMT -5
ps ....and if anybody here keeps in touch with Desire from years back tell her Rexxi says hi <img src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png" alt=" " class="smile" contenteditable="false" text=" " I want AAdmin to de-mod her!
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Post by hellboy87 on Jan 27, 2017 9:48:44 GMT -5
Oh! I don't think white people in America have been generally referred to as European-American. White and Caucasian, yes. European-American? Mostly no.
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Post by hellboy87 on Jan 27, 2017 9:45:54 GMT -5
AAdmin, there is no depopulation agenda. On the LGBT community in your third point, they are just receiving more and more media coverage, and social inclusiveness from various segments. That's all. They've been with us since day one and now they are(at least in the West) more open about it and we are dealing with them as a matter of fact. There is no taking over or agenda as the hysterics claim. Who knows? One day you may fall for a woman who happens to be transgender!
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Post by hellboy87 on Jan 27, 2017 6:31:53 GMT -5
Gönül blunders in remark on history
by Izgi Güngör
ANKARA - With remarks in honor of Atatürk, the ruling AKP’s defense minister recalls the population exchanges between Greece and Turkey after World War I, attracting criticism for his nationalist language and the drift toward pro-state stances.
The population exchange between Greece and Turkey in 1923, which led hundreds of thousands of people to leave their ancestral homelands, was revisited by a politician recently, putting the controversial 85-year process under scrutiny.
At the Turkish Embassy in Brussels on Monday, Defense Minister Vecdi Gönül said the population exchange between Greece and Turkey in 1923 was a necessary step toward building a nation-state at the time.
The Prime Minister has recently come under fire for his use of more nationalist language and pro-state policies on some critical political issues, including the Kurdish problem, but this time it was Gönül who embraced the nationalist discourse.
"One of the great achievements of Atatürk, who abolished the caliphate to establish a nation, is the population exchange between Greece and Turkey in 1923," he said, speaking at the commemoration of the 70th anniversary of the death of modern Turkey’s founder Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. "Could Turkey be the same national country had the Greek community still lived in the Aegean or Armenians lived in many parts of Turkey. We can’t ignore the contribution of those [the Armenians] who feel themselves victim due to the expulsion that resulted in the removal of many Armenians from Anatolia."
Although Gönül made a public excuse saying his words were misunderstood, the experts reacted strongly to his remarks.
"A nation-building process is a homogeneity project and was what all the world’s countries were trying to do at that time. He didn’t bring attention to this fact, instead he presented the issue as if the population exchange was a desirable and positive thing," Soli Özel, political science professor at Bilgi University told the Hurriyet Daily News & Economic Review. "He was expected to say that after 80 years the move has resulted in social and cultural impoverishment for Turkey," he said.
Gönül also said neither Greece nor Turkey wanted different religious elements in their societies as they formed their identity at the time, implying that it wasn’t a one-sided event and the exchange was desirable by both communities.
The exchange took place between Turkish citizens of the Greek Orthodox religion established in Turkish territory and of Greek citizens of the Muslim religion established in Greek territory under the Treaty of Lausanne signed by the Greek and Turkish governments in 1923. About 400,000 Turks moved from Greece to Anatolia and about 1.1 million Greeks moved from Anatolia and Eastern Thrace to Greece in the exchange.
Racist discourse
For retired ambassador Yalım Eralp, Gönül’s remarks were unfortunate as his remarks echoed of racist language. "Should the existence of Turks in Germany disturb Germany, for instance?" he said. �
"Turkey was a war-weary country at the time and it had some concerns about its unity. The exchange was vital in the social and political context of the time. Gönül however ignores these facts; his intention is totally different. His remarks are racist," Eralp said.�
Criticizing Gönül’s remarks, Professor Baskın Oran said the displacement of Greeks and Armenians from Anatolia delayed Turkey’s industrialization, economically speaking, by at least 50 years and the ethnic and religious cleanups eliminated Turkey’s pluralism, politically speaking.
Oran implied it was the deep conservatism and limited worldview embraced by both the founders of and voters for the ruling Justice and Development Party that have inspired its politicians to reveal such thoughts. Other political scientists related the population exchange to the 14 points, a peace program presented at the end of World War I by U.S. President Woodrow Wilson is defense of autonomous development for non-Turkish people of the Ottoman Empire.
Homogeneus society
For Nilüfer Narlı, sociology professor at Bahçeşehir University, the story had two sides and its historical context should be considered. "In the 1920’s we didn’t talk about multi-cultural societies. It is something that we talk about right now, in the 21st century. The concepts of nation-state and nationalism were the dominating ideas at the time," she said. "Likewise not only Turkey but Greece tried to establish an identity and society based on homogeneity. Greece sought a new national identity and developed one by differentiating itself from all elements related to the Ottoman Empire and the Turkish Republic. Even the hostility became part of their new identity," she said.
Foreign policy expert Mensur Akgün, meanwhile, said Gönül had no right to make such sociological and political comments on population exchange, a topic current international law considers a crime. "He praises a Turkish nation that hosts no minorities. He doesn’t see the multi-cultural composition of the society," he said.
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Post by hellboy87 on Jan 27, 2017 6:28:42 GMT -5
MMMMRRRMMMMMMMHHH!!!!!!! Why can't you post the entire article? !!! Will do it myself! HMP!
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Post by hellboy87 on Nov 26, 2016 15:17:37 GMT -5
F.............!!!!
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Post by hellboy87 on Nov 5, 2016 19:11:14 GMT -5
Miss them lot!
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Post by hellboy87 on Oct 19, 2016 3:16:27 GMT -5
what's your point Bozur?That we take advantage of the refugees?Where are you from man?Croatia,Bulgaria,what?which is the immigrant and refugee population in your country?0.0?in Greece we have about 1,5 million immigrants and refugees.Only the Pakis in Athens are 50.000,their president had said so,recently. Greece is in the middle of a VERY severe economic and social crisis.And it is going to last for a few decades more.We cant have more foreigners and we dont want to.As a matter of fact,foreigners must leave and many do so.Bozur,we cant have Syrians in Greece.Unfortunately the borders of all balkan countries/Hungary/Austria are closed and Syrian refugees are obliged to remain in my country.I certainly feel sorry for Syria and i do like these people.But we cant help them,we just cant.On the other hand our balkan neighbors could have a few thousands of Syrian refugees,each one of them.It's their humanitarian duty.BUT they will not,they dont want any refugees and that's sad. Syrian refugees in Greece remain in refugee camps,they live in tents,they complain that their food is of bad quality and so on.They may be right and i feel sorry for them.We cant do anything better and we wont.Unfortunately they keep on coming,and they will continue until the war is over.On the other hand tourism in several greek islands which have many refugees has been harmed very much.Tourism is a very serious source of income for Greece as you may know.And we cannot lose this income,we need it very badly. Bozur,why dont you have 10.000 Syrian refugees in your country instead?it's your duty you know! It's infuriating that Muslim nations - apart from Turkey - are doing nothing about this. So much for Muslim brotherhood and stuff.
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Post by hellboy87 on Oct 19, 2016 3:04:00 GMT -5
This place is nothing without Novi, Vojvoda Marko, Sar Planinac, Highduke. Heck even cheero was better than this albanian parody of a balkan forum ... You forgot Anittas!!!
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Post by hellboy87 on Oct 19, 2016 3:01:33 GMT -5
Just came back from Greece. It seems the Albanians that are left there all think they are Greeks now. This refugee crisis has made Greeks love Albanians more. Oh I forgot to mention I visited friends in Keratea, Athens suburb full of Arvanites. It was nice there. I guess the crisis made the Greeks realize that they're more alike than different from the Albos. The refugees really contrast them.
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Post by hellboy87 on Oct 19, 2016 2:58:45 GMT -5
Hi Rexxy Please do me a favor and don't post his pics in this forum, thanks. Whose picture?
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Post by hellboy87 on Oct 19, 2016 2:58:18 GMT -5
oh yes I forgot ...he was whining about it way back ....that whining vlach that he is how about you ...grow any hair yet on that bald head of yours ? myself I'm starting to lose some now up front ...I'm blaming this forum and the stress ....I have lawyers on standby From what I remember you've started balding years ago. You sent me your picture in our private correspondence, remember?
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Post by hellboy87 on Oct 19, 2016 2:54:45 GMT -5
I would think that one would get into serious trouble if they do so!
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Post by hellboy87 on Jun 14, 2016 16:38:33 GMT -5
Huh? Which map are you referring to?
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Post by hellboy87 on Jun 10, 2016 10:06:35 GMT -5
Wow! Interesting! I didn't think that Turkey would be that low.
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Post by hellboy87 on Feb 8, 2016 3:18:14 GMT -5
...FROM TURKISH.
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, the hero of the Turkish War of Independence and founder of the modern Turkish Republic, was more than just a military man. He was also considered a linguist of some importance in his own times, at least within the boundaries of the Republic he personally established. An enthusiast amateur linguist, his most important contribution was the sun language theory.
Developed in the 1930s, the sun language theory (or Güneş Dil Teorisi in Turkish) held that all languages were descendants of a proto-Turkic language, spoken by what was once the greatest Turkic civilization on earth. According to this sun language theory these Turkic people who wanted to worship the sun transformed the meaningless sounds they had previously uttered into a language. ‘Sun’ or ‘agh’ became the first word man ever spoke, and the root that all other words and languages were consequently derived from.
As this proto-Turkic language allegedly closely resembled modern Turkish, the Turks considered themselves as the direct descendants of these cultivated Central Asian Turks. The Turkish linguists argued that all other languages could be traced back to a Turkic root, elevating the status of their own language above all others.
Not just that, the Sumerians and Egyptians were also incorporated into the fold. According to the sun language theory the Sumerians and Egyptians (establishers of two of the oldest urban society known) were actually Turks who had originated in Central Asia. Using this ‘fact’, Turkish linguists argued that therefore the Turks were also the first people ever to have used the script. In 1930s Turkey, schools and universities taught that all modern-day languages were derived from Turkish, the first language ever spoken on earth. Although not personally responsible for inventing the theory itself, Atatürk recognized its importance and saw to it that scientists were extensively researching this particularly useful and nationalist theory.
A radical revision of history as it was known until then, Atatürk was trying to boost the self-confidence of his newly created Turkish nation. Creating a clear break with the Islamic past of the Ottoman Empire, Turkey’s pre-Islamic and Central Asian roots were praised. A strong sense of identity was necessary to keep the young Turkish Republic together, and the sun theory might just help to do that. Outside of Turkey however, reactions were markedly less enthusiastic, and in the course of time the theory was largely abandoned, until it died with Mustafa Kemal Atatürk himself. What is left is a reminder of the interconnection between linguistics and politics.
Is this or has this been openly and extensively discussed in the Turkish media?
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Post by hellboy87 on Jan 4, 2016 7:49:05 GMT -5
I'm afraid you are off by a few hundred years. The first Cİrcassians were brought to Anatolia by Selim I. They were settled partly in what is today Erzincan province, Kemaliye. Because it was difficult to make a living there, they were granted the right to sell meat to the palace in Istanbul. Erzincan is known for its butchers. Source: my husband's family is from Kemaliye. I don't know when the first Circassian were brought to Anatolia but I know Circassian girls were being traded on the slave market for a long time before the Circassian settled in Anatolia en masse, which began in the 1800's.
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Post by hellboy87 on Aug 25, 2015 8:51:38 GMT -5
better than the wrinkles on canaris I think that canaris has clear skin unlike my blotched, blemished one.
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