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Post by yeni on Jul 29, 2008 3:42:29 GMT -5
i don't know how the greeks call it, in Hungarian this is called "neveletlenség", im not sure what is the good english equivalent for this word (in turkish terbiyesiz i think the term), it basicly means your mother, teacher etc didn't teach you how to behave. like if somebody greets you u should answer. Most ppl learn this in their childhood. So this is simply "neveletlenség".
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Post by yeni on Jul 28, 2008 6:09:08 GMT -5
the 3. is better.
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Post by yeni on Jul 27, 2008 20:40:09 GMT -5
Hey i knew this book is aviable online for a long time in Hungarian, but now i saw it also have Engilsh translation. So: History of Transylvania, a three volume book by the Institute of History of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences written in 1986, roughly 2500 pages together. it covers the history of the territory from the beginnings to 1919. A good source for both Huns and foreigners. so here is the book in English www.mek.oszk.hu/03400/03407/html/index.htmland Hun mek.oszk.hu/02100/02109/html/good reading:) do i have to mention that the book was banned in Ceausescu's Romania...
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Post by yeni on Jul 17, 2008 13:00:39 GMT -5
Novi Here u can find the list of the most frequent Hun surnames based on Hungarian phonebook: www.bogardi.com/gen/g021.htmsome notes to your list: "Tót" means only Slovak since the 18-19th century before that it could apply to other Slavs too (like Slavonia was called Tótország in older Hungarian). Rácz is somehow similar before the 18th century Hungarians sometimes also used that name on catholic and muslim south slavs. Today Orosz means Russian but in proper names it could also refer to the Rusyns (like most place names containing the part "oroszi" refer to Rusyn settlers not Russians from Russia). So i think many ppl whose family name is Orosz in fact have Rusyn not Russian ancestry. And sometimes u can meet with ppl who have these ethnic names though their ancestors were not from that ethnic group, like Oláh is common name among Gypsies just because most of them migrated from Wallachia to Hungary, another gypsy activist in Hungary is called Horváth Aladár or there was a famous Hungarian (catholic) writer called Szerb Antal who had originally jewish background no relation to Serbs, etc. or this is also a good example i already linked this book in the old forum, it contains around 15000 names changed between 1800 and 1893 in Hungary: kt.lib.pte.hu/cgi-bin/kt.cgi?konyvtar/kt04112203/tartalom.htmlLets see the Horvát's kt.lib.pte.hu/cgi-bin/kt.cgi?konyvtar/kt04112203/0_0_2_pg_106.htmlThe original name is in the brackets, around 60 ppl changed his name to "Horvát/h during this period but more than 90% of them had originally german names not south slav. (though i see two "Jellachichs" on the list who changed their name ;D ) same is true for the Rácz kt.lib.pte.hu/cgi-bin/kt.cgi?konyvtar/kt04112203/0_0_2_pg_184.htmlseven person changed his name to Rácz during this period but non of them had south slav name before that. but of course in most cases these ethnic surnames really means that one of their paternal ancestor (probably hundreds of years ago) was from that ethnic group or came from that territory or had other connection with them. wbb u mean Sokác(z)? actually its a quite rare surname, don't u confuse it with "Szakács" (= cook)?
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Post by yeni on Jul 8, 2008 14:03:40 GMT -5
www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/217632,wearing-a-red-star-in-hungary-is-a-basic-human.html " Wearing a red star in Hungary 'is a basic human right' Posted on : 2008-07-08 | Author : DPA News Category : Europe Strasbourg - Wearing a red star - the maligned symbol of erstwhile communist rule - is a "basic human right" in Hungary, the European Court of Human Rights ruled Tuesday. It said a ruling by a Hungarian court eight years ago convicting a 45-year-old representative of the leftist Workers' party at a Budapest rally violated freedom of expression. The Strasbourg-based human rights court ruled that the state could restrict freedom of expression "within the framework of political discussion only in special, clearly-defined circumstances." In this particular case, the politician had worn the red star clearly as a symbol of his political opinion. Hungarian law forbids the wearing and exhibiting of so-called "symbols of the rule of force" such as the red star, hammer and sickle, or swastika. The court said that although human rights violations under communism had discredited the red star, Hungary had proved over the past 20 years that it had become a stable democracy. This meant there was no reason to fear any political party seeking to restore a communist dictatorship." see also on the site of the European Court of Human Rights: cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/view.asp?item=1&portal=hbkm&action=html&highlight=vajnai&sessionid=11495385&skin=hudoc-pr-enAnd the article in the Hungarian Criminal Code: "Use of Symbols of Despotism Section 269/B (1) The person who a) distributes; b) uses before great publicity; c) exhibits in public; a swastika, the SS sign, an arrow-cross, sickle and hammer, a five-pointed red star or a symbol depicting the above, - unless a graver crime is realized - commits a misdemeanour, and shall be punishable with fine. (2) The person, who commits the act defined in subsection (1) for the purposes of the dissemination of knowledge, education, science, or art, or with the purpose of information about the events of history or the present time, shall not be punishable. (3) The provisions of subsections (1) and (2) do not extend to the official symbols of states in force. (4)" So should these symbols be legal in Hungary? or should there be a difference in the legality of commie and nazi symbols?
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Post by yeni on Jun 23, 2008 14:15:07 GMT -5
And still the communist products were mostly copies of outdated capitalist products.
Communism gave the illusion of stability and security and i understand that many ppl liked it (it could be good to know that if you hold your tongue you can work in the same place in the next 20-30-40 years and u won’t be fired) but this illusion also needs that evil capitalist thingy called money... but the commie regimes could no longer finance it.
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Post by yeni on Jun 20, 2008 20:59:14 GMT -5
Tebrikler Türkler!
en büyük Türkiye, baºka büyük yok! ;D
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Post by yeni on Jun 19, 2008 5:32:43 GMT -5
www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7a10a714-3d1b-11dd-bbb5-0000779fd2ac,dwp_uuid=70662e7c-3027-11da-ba9f-00000e2511c8.html Daimler picks Hungary for east Europe factory By Thomas Escritt in Bucharest and John Reed in London Published: June 18 2008 10:54 | Last updated: June 19 2008 11:08 Daimler has chosen the south Hungarian city of Kecskemet as the location for an €800m ($1.24bn, £624m) plant to manufacture two new vehicles in its bottom-end A and B classes. The decision, announced on Wednesday, came as a surprise as the German group had been expected to locate its first plant in central and eastern Europe in either Romania or Poland. Hungary, which has higher labour costs and tax rates, had not been regarded as a serious contender. The country last attracted a big foreign manufacturer in 2005, when the South Korean tyre manufacturer Hankook invested about €500m on a plant. Senior officials said negotiations between Hungarian officials and Daimler had been under way for a year. All countries in the running are understood to have offered the maximum subsidies allowed under European Union law. Officials said Hungary’s package, which includes tax discounts and cash payments capped at 20 per cent of Daimler’s investment, or €147m, was not decisive. Janos Koka, who was economics minister with responsibility for investment promotion when negotiations began, said: “We won because the site was well linked in to the motorway network.” Hungary has one of the densest networks in the region. The availability of labour may also have been a factor. Although Romania and Poland have been attractive to manufacturers looking to outsource, strong growth and migration to western Europe have made for tight labour markets and fast-rising wages. Work on the plant, which will directly employ about 2,500 people, will begin next year, with the first of 100,000 cars that will be produced annually to roll off the production line in 2011. Ferenc Gyurcsany, Hungary’s prime minister, said: “Daimler’s decision represents the biggest single investment in Hungary’s history.” Dieter Zetsche, Daimler’s chief executive, said the expanded range would allow Mercedes to tap into new customer groups and open new markets. The company already makes small A and B-class cars in Rastatt and the expansion will take the facility to full capacity.
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Post by yeni on Jun 4, 2008 12:01:12 GMT -5
Deucaon u are a dangerous threat to peace and stability not he, after all u want to murder a peacefull law abiding ethnic Hungarian politician.
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Post by yeni on Jun 3, 2008 14:33:06 GMT -5
Viva Cuba, End the Blockade. "Communism and socialism are so utopistically detached from the true nature of man that politicians and militants pursuing them are either criminals exploiting the gullibles of earth or they are just the worst among the honest politicians." ;D
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Post by yeni on May 28, 2008 1:32:21 GMT -5
The first recorded swearing in Hungarian can be found in the Chronicon Dubnicense (original title Cronica de gestis Hungarorum). The chronicle was written in the year 1479, and it is mostly a copy and compilation of earlier chronicles, all in Latin. So the relevant part of the chronicle was originally written in the second half of the 14th century and its about the military expeditions of our king Louis the Great. The chronicle describes that in the year 1355 the Hungarians fought a horrible battle with Swabian Germans, but when the Hungarians shouted „holy kings help us („Sancti reges adiuuate nos”), they finally won. After the Hungarians won they recieved the command that they have to kill all German soldiers, no prisoners. So the chronicle records that the Hungarians chopped off the hands and the heads of the Germans and they said: „ Wezteg kwrwanewfya zaros nemeth; iwttatok werenkewth, ma yzzywk thy wertheketh ” With modern Hungarian orthography „ Veszteg kurvanõfia szaros német; ittátok vérünket, ma isszuk ti véreteket.” Only this sentence was written in Hungarian in the text and it literally means: „ Doomed son of a bi*tch shi*tty German(s); you drank our blood, today we drink your blood.” Here you can find the text in the Chronicon Dubnicense kt.lib.pte.hu/cgi-bin/kt.cgi?konyvtar/kt06030304/0_0_3_pg_167.html
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Post by yeni on May 27, 2008 18:06:48 GMT -5
wbb: i didn't say we have to be pro Russians or anti US. But today we are too dependent on russian gas (=energy) thats why we need new nuclear power plant. i doubt the us will oppose it. (And if they will, we can build nuke weapon any time ). radovic i primary meant that we should follow the German foreign policy, not their internal policies. Though the Hungarian population is declining so we will face this problem once, we either start to produce kids like rabbits or import immigrants. I wouldn't mind more Chinese or Vietnamese in Hun, back to the Asian roots But of course we need legal immigrants not illegal who know's whos...
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Post by yeni on May 27, 2008 17:53:40 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_K%C3%BCnstlerFranz Künstler (July 24, 1900 – May 27, 2008) was, at age 107, the last known surviving veteran of the First World War who fought for the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Following the death of 110-year-old Ottoman veteran Yakup Satar on April 2, 2008, he is also the last Central Powers veteran of any nationality. He was born in Soost, then Kingdom of Hungary, now Romania. A German Hungarian, he joined the Austro-Hungarian army in February 1918 for training in a field artillery regiment (HFKR 5. k.u. Feldkanonen-Regiment/ - 5. honvéd tábori ágyúsezred), and served at the Italian front until November 1918.[1] After the war, he fought against the communists, and was a soldier until 1921. In the Second World War, Künstler served six months in 1942 as a mobile courier in Ukraine. Künstler lived in Niederstetten, Baden-Württemberg, Germany, and worked as a guide in a museum. After the Second World War, he was expelled from Hungary like many other ethnic Germans.[2] [3] Asked about his nationality, Franz Künstler said that he felt connected to the German nation and saw himself as a German. He was a Hungarian citizen until 1946, at which time he obtained German citizenship. In an interview given to an Austrian magazine in 2008 at the age of 107, he was asked about "the most important thing in life". He answered: "I was a handsome man and had many women. But more important is to have a good wife, with whom one can share one's life."[4] After the death of fellow 107-year-old Georg Thalhofer in February 2008, Künstler became the oldest living man in Germany.[5] www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,druck-555854,00.html GERMANY'S OLDEST MAN PASSES AWAY World War I Veteran Dies in Germany One of the world's last surviving World War I veterans has died in Germany aged 107. Franz Künstler fought in the Austro-Hungarian army in 1918. He was the oldest man living in Germany. One of the last veterans of World War I has died in Germany aged 107. Romanian-born Franz Künstler, who served in the Austro-Hungarian army and fought on Germany's side, died after an operation on his intestine in the southern German town of Niederstetten. The mayor's office confirmed a report in Bunte magazine that he had died. Künstler, who was the oldest man living in Germany, was born on July 24, 1900 in Soost in what is now Romania and was drafted into the 1st Artillery Regiment of Austro-Hungarian army in February 1918, nine months before the end of the war. He fought on the Italian front. His passing follows the death in January of Erich Kästner, believed to have been the last German World War I veteran to have fought for the German Imperial army. It is impossible to be sure because Germany keeps no official records on its veterans of World War I or World War II. Künstler had lived in Niederstetten since 1946 and worked as a guide in the hunting museum of Schloss Haltenbergstetten castle. He is believed to have been the last World War I veteran living in Germany. The veterans of World War I, all well over 100 years old, are dying fast, with less than 15 survivors left in the world today. Their death marks a historical milestone as the conflict that shaped the 20th century recedes out of living human memory. There are an estimated three World War I veterans left in the United States, one in Canada, three in Britain, three in Australian, one in Turkey and two in Italy. The last two French veterans died this year. The last one, Lazare Ponticelli, was given a state funeral in France in March. By contrast, the death of the Kästner, the last known survivor of the German Imperial army, in a retirement home in Cologne on January 1, went largely unnoticed and elicited no response from the German government. The Defense Ministry in Berlin, the army’s Military Research Institute and the Federation of German Soldiers' Associations all said they had no information on Kästner because Germany doesn’t keep archives on surviving war veterans. Commentators abroad said the lack of any public recognition for Kästner showed Germany had not yet come to terms with its past. One British newspaper called on Chancellor Angela Merkel to issue a statement honoring him. Künstler's death on Tuesday was more widely reported in German media than Kästner's. But the stigma of defeat and the conflict’s historical link with World War II and the Holocaust has made it impossible for Germany to officially mark the death of its last veterans, even the very last one. Künstler still had plans for the future in March, when he told Cicero magazine: When I'm 110 the devil can come and get me." yeni's note: the birthplace mentioned in the articles (Soost) is i think Hungarian Sósd/Soósd, today ªoºdea in Krassó-Szörény/Caraº-Severin county, but back then it belonged to Temes county.
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Post by yeni on May 25, 2008 14:34:28 GMT -5
Like the article mentions we are very dependent on Russian gas so we can't afford too bad relations with them. Though our politicians should work on building a new nuclear power plant or expand the Paks with new reactors.
Hungary was, is and will be in the German sphere of influence, they are our most important economic partner so basicly what is good for Germany, thats good for Hungary too.
i hope the US ambassadors are also concered about anti-Hungarianism in some neighboing countries.
Thx God the US doesn't want to build it here so why should our regime express opinion about it? personally i would be against it, more problems than benefits comes with those missiles, it would be only a security threat to us.
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Post by yeni on May 25, 2008 10:05:46 GMT -5
I think it can be historical reason, i'm not sure but isn't bel grad (belo white in slavic languages?) the original Slavic version and the Beograd the later change in Serbian pronounciation (see Russian, Bulgarian Áåëãðàä, Polish Belgrad, Czech Belehrad)? so probably when the name Belgrade entered the English (and other foreign languages, actually allmost all foreign languages call it Belgrade/Belgrad) it was closer to the way how the Serbs themself called it that time. In this 17th century English book it is already called Belgrade kt.lib.pte.hu/cgi-bin/kt.cgi?konyvtar/kt04021801/0_0_2_pg_26.html
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Post by yeni on May 25, 2008 9:15:07 GMT -5
Hitler offered the Kingdom of Yugoslavia a non-Agression pact on very favourable terms. He respected us because of what Serbs did in WWI. I do think it would have been smarter if we accepted his offer. The British were the ones who fomented a coup d'etat in Belgrade, and consider just how much they betrayed us in 1999 and after. What if we accepted the germans? What would happen to all jews and gypsies? = Dead The only way you could save the jews if you could remain neutral. You opposed the Germans, they occupied Yugo and Belgrade became judenfrei. if you join the axis, most likely=same would happen (though axis Bulgaria and Finnland could save most of their jews so maybe you could save more jews if you are with the Axis than if you are occupied by the Axis) Deucaon yeah but there were Slavs in the Axis (NDH, Slovakia, Bulgaria... + the czech were occupied but weren't really terrorized, actually they were quite lucky) despite what was Hitler's opinion about Slavs. If Yugo became Axis then Nazi scientists would immedietly "discover" that you are not real Slavs but "Aryans" who just speak Slavic language Huns and Finns aren't even indoeuropeans (not to mention Japanese) but it was not problem for the Germans...
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Post by yeni on May 13, 2008 14:58:33 GMT -5
?? lol i'm not psychologist so i don't care what are the sources of your hatred. buy a cat or a dog if you are not happy with ur family, they will give more love to you than anti-semitism. you have to admit its quite funny when a foreign citizen comes here and want to tell which Hungarian citizens should leave Hungary and which not. btw read this www.stop.hu/articles/article.php?id=221495
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Post by yeni on May 11, 2008 16:10:48 GMT -5
About the topic, i doubt the anti-semitism is rising unless i see opinion polls which confirm it. but thats a fact that the far-rightist groups are mostly anti-semitic and these groups are more active on the streets (thus more visible) since the 2006 riots so maybe its true that anti semitic speech is more common but i m not sure.
wbb I have better idea, you should go back to Australia and don’t send Hungarian citizens anywhere. thx
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neither the muslims nor the jews in Hungary are problematic or backward.
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Post by yeni on Apr 19, 2008 10:23:51 GMT -5
well actually i said "polygamy was not prohibited i think". now searching more about it i didn't find source which support that it was common, like about the main Magyar tribal leaders there is no mention they had more wives usually only one wife mentioned (or i didn't find it) so its more likely polygamy could be rare if it existed. but now i'm not sure in this so if anybody have infos about polygamy among early Magyars tell me.
edit: now i found in the Gesta Hungarorum its says that Mén-marot (Menumarot) the chief of the kozars in Bihar had more wives. we don't know if this guy really existed or made up by Anonymous but its really interesting question how common was the polygamy that time. I don't know.
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Post by yeni on Apr 17, 2008 21:41:59 GMT -5
The basic issue is whether the Magyars came in large numbers into a relatively unpopulated Carpathian basin as peaceful, hardworking, noble families, as modern Hungarian historiography likes to see it, or whether they came in as small groups of plunderers, raiders and slave traders (mostly male) on top of a large pre-existing agricultural and pastoral population as the rest of the world sees them. or C: they came in a larger number (=few hundred thousands what was large back then ) as a semi-nomadic (=primary cattle and horse and other animal herding with subsidiary role for agriculture) tribal federation with their family and animals where they found a similar number or slightly more (but also in hundreds of thousands) mostly agricultural and pastorial population who were also remants of pervious migrations. And later most of these local population was assimilated. Then new wars, drastic populations losses (like the Tatar raid 1241-42, Ottoman-Habsburg wars, plagues) and mass immigrations happened and thats how you have modern Hungarians. (i doubt the rest of the world cares too much about the Carpathian basin, mostly only the neighbors.)
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