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Post by yeni on Dec 1, 2010 19:17:01 GMT -5
My point was to proove they have Quranic base, and according to the Quran they r to be obeyed also
Yes free dua and zikr but there also exist a regulated form of prayer and the Quran itself speaks about it, that it have fixed times, the ablution before it, also mentions its parts, the bowing, prostration, or to turn to the Qibla (2:144) it also mentions prayer in group (4:101-103) this whole later part strongly indicates a common rite existing for it, taught by the Prophet
Sufis do the 5 namaz (as overwhelming majority of them in the matters of fiqh (fikih) are sunnies and a minority of them twelver shia), as also the main shia groups do it (twelvers, zaydis, the mustali ismailis…) and also the kharijites/hariciler (the earliest separate branch originating int he 7th century, different from both sunni and shia traditions). these all perform the 5 prayers in a strikingly similar manner with relatively minor differences.
Then some minority ghulat (’extreme’) shia groups started to give it up at different points hundreds of years after the Prophet, some as a long historical development (like in Alevism and Bektashism which had a twelver shia origin but became isolated from the shia ulama centers and synchertised with other local faiths) or by the decision of an 'infallible' leader of the sect (like in the Agha Khani ismailism). And lately also became popular in some 20th century movements founded in Western countries…
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Post by yeni on Nov 30, 2010 21:41:16 GMT -5
about the 5 arkan ul islam
Belief in Allah in His Prophet 7:158
(Ey Muhammed!) De ki: "Ey insanlar! Şüphesiz ben, yer ve göklerin hükümranlığı kendisine ait olan Allah'ın hepinize gönderdiği peygamberiyim. O'ndan başka hiçbir ilah yoktur. O, diriltir ve öldürür. O halde Allah'a ve O'nun sözlerine inanan Resûlüne, o ümmî peygambere iman edin ve ona uyun ki doğru yolu bulasınız.'
prayers to performed in fixed times 4:103, perform ablution before prayer 5:6 bowing and prostration 48:29
perform prayer and give zakat 2:43, 2:110 (and these 2 mentioned together in several other ayats too in the Quran)
fast during Ramadan 2:183-185
perform Hajj: 2:158, 2:196, 3:97, 22:27-29
so it seems to me all 5 pillars have Quranic base
Regarding the role of the Sunnah, some interpret the reoccuring "al-Kitab wa l-Hikma"as reference to it, the Kitab (book) meaning the Kuran and the Hikma (wisdom) referring to the Sunnah of the Rasulullah. like 3:164 'Andolsun, Allah, mü'minlere kendi içlerinden; onlara âyetlerini okuyan, onları arıtıp tertemiz yapan, onlara kitab ve hikmeti öğreten bir peygamber göndermekle büyük bir lütufta bulunmuştur. Oysa onlar, daha önce apaçık bir sapıklık içinde idiler.'
see also 2:129, 2:151, 2:231, 4:54, 4:113, 62:2
He is also an example:
'Andolsun, Allah'ın Resülünde sizin için; Allah'a ve ahiret gününe kavuşmayı uman, Allah'ı çok zikreden kimseler için güzel bir örnek vardır.' 33:21
Also several verses say to obey Allah and His Messenger 'Ey iman edenler! Allah'a itaat edin. Peygamber'e itaat edin ve sizden olan ulu'l-emre (idarecilere) de. Herhangi bir hususta anlaşmazlığa düştüğünüz takdirde, Allah'a ve ahiret gününe gerçekten inanıyorsanız, onu Allah ve Resûlüne arz edin. Bu, daha iyidir, sonuç bakımından da daha güzeldir.' 4:59
and to obey the Rasulullah and make him judge in all disputes according to 4:64-65
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'Kim peygambere itaat ederse, Allah'a itaat etmiş olur.' 4:80
so these r complex thingies thats why i suggest not to reject so easily the ahadith totally (not to mention they can also give good background information on when and in what circumstances were certain ayats reveled to Hz Muhammed and some were commented by himself also..)
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Post by yeni on Nov 29, 2010 17:05:00 GMT -5
The Kuran doesn't state that there are 5 pillars of Islam, nor does it tell us to go to Mecca... these things were all invented hundreds of years later probably.... pfff Going to Mecca has become more of a touristic money making scheme for the crazy Wahhabi cult more than anything else. The Hajj to Mecca is prescribed in the Quran, 2:158, 2:196, 3:97, 22:27-29 and about its form there was and is a large consensus in different branches of islam too. As the other 4 pillars also has Quranic base. I would not reject the hadis as a source generally so easily. the Quran itself states to follow the Quran and the Rasulullah, and the hadis are a major source of the acts and teaching of him ( and also the sirahs). Of course as the collectors themself didnt claim these works to be perfect so case to case criticism is legitime. Regarding the money from the religious tourism i think the THY also takes a nice sum of profit from it as the small business in Mecca and Medina who r themself from different part of the islamic world (again including many Turks running business there). The Saudi state also takes fees from the pilgrims directly or through the travel agencies but most of it is really need for the controll of the huge masses, to constantly improve the infrastructure.
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Post by yeni on Jul 29, 2010 20:47:41 GMT -5
i dont like the burqa, but no. on one side some muslim men want to force the women to wear it and on the other side some non-muslim men want to force them not to wear it.. Respect the ladies, allow them to decide..
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Post by yeni on May 21, 2010 13:01:09 GMT -5
I'm never late, especially not from job, school, meetings, i feel its disrespectful toward the other person... so usually i arrive 10 minutes earlier. but unfortunetly most Huns are not too punctual, most of the time they come 10-20 minutes late
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Post by yeni on May 19, 2010 15:16:18 GMT -5
waz.euobserver.com/887/30088Slovakia incensed at Hungarian double citizenship plan GYÖRGY FOLK 18.05.2010 @ 09:01 CET Hungary's conservative Fidesz party, run-away winners in last month's parliamentary elections with a two thirds majority, has proposed making double citizenship available to inhabitants of territories formerly belonging to Hungary. The proposal prompted a vehement reaction from the government of neighbouring Slovakia, which threatened to strip Slovak citizenship from those who applied for a Hungarian passport. In order to disarm their right-wing rivals, the conservative Fidesz put the subject on the new parliament's agenda (Photo: EUobserver.com) * Print * Comment article The Fidesz government treats the issue as a priority mainly for symbolic reasons. It still causes tension today that the country lost a large part of its territory in the Trianon Treaty signed in Versailles after World War I 90 years ago. The "Great Hungary" issue is one the most effective rhetorical weapons of the minority radical right party Jobbik. In order to disarm their right-wing rivals, Fidesz put the subject on the new parliament's agenda. The Slovak government under prime minister Robert Fico immediately condemned the plan, pointing to national security concerns. After János Martonyi, Hungary's foreign minister-designate, announced the double citizenship scheme in a meeting in Bratislava with Slovak foreign minister Miroslav Lajcak last Wednesday, Slovakia recalled its ambassador to Budapest for "further consultations." According to a spokesperson for Mr Lajcak, Mr Martonyi refused to enter into discussions about the issue. Mr Fico signalled he would table new legislation taking away Slovak citizenship from everybody applying for Hungarian citizenship as well. This could, however, contravene European law, legal experts said. The Slovak prime minister is in the final stretch of the parliamentary election campaign before the country goes to the polls on 12 June. His Smer party can ill afford to lose votes to the radical right Slovakian National Party. Fidesz' vice party president Lajos Kósa rejected suggestions that his party simply wants to boost its voter base with the popular double citizenship issue. While the law would allow everybody with proven Hungarian family origins to apply, it had nothing to do with voting rights which were defined in a separate electoral law, Mr Kósa argued. Of Hungary's six other neighbouring countries, Austria and Slovenia did not react in a visible way to the Fidesz proposal. Romania, Croatia and Serbia officially allow double citizenship. Ukraine does not, but a legal ban is widely ignored, without penalty. Some 80-90 percent of members of the Ukrainian parliament carry a second passport.
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Post by yeni on Apr 30, 2010 0:04:39 GMT -5
this sounds more like a typical American b$, they are the ones who always care about these race issues. The Szekely, the Romanian and the Black are in the hospital, all of them waiting for the birth of their children. The nurse comes: ’Congratulation, the babies are healthy, but we accidently mixed up the children. Please come in and choose which is your baby.’ The Szekely immedietly runs into the room and pick up the black child. The Black goes there: ’hey Szekely, what are you doing? don’t u see this baby is mine? He has the same skin colour as me’ ’I dont care, until it turns out which one is the Romanian, this kid will stay with me!’ no i think only you bought bad history books.
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Post by yeni on Apr 25, 2010 14:11:05 GMT -5
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8642456.stmLandslide victory for Hungary's conservative opposition Hungary's conservative opposition party Fidesz is poised for a two-thirds general election victory, second round results indicate. With 97% of votes counted, the party had nearly 68% of the popular vote and 262 of the 386 seats in parliament, the national election committee said. Almost a third of the seats were left to be decided on Sunday following the first round two weeks ago. Fidesz promised to create jobs, lower taxes and reduce bureaucracy. The ruling Socialists were in second place on 15% (59 seats), the far-right Jobbik had 12% (47 seats) and a new Green party called Politics Can be Different had 4.1% (16 seats). Fidesz leader Viktor Orban is set to become prime minister. The second round of the election was fought in 57 constituencies where no single candidate had won more than 50% of the vote in the first round. A two-thirds majority will give Fidesz the chance to change the constitution, the BBC's Nick Thorpe reports from Budapest. The Socialists, who had governed for the past eight years, argued that they had created 100,000 jobs, navigated the ship of state safely through a serious economic crisis and improved law and order.
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Post by yeni on Apr 19, 2010 18:55:39 GMT -5
“Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives … you are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side here in this country of ours … You, the mothers, who sent their sons from far away countries, wipe away your tears; your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well.”
very well said, nice quote.
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Post by yeni on Apr 14, 2010 20:00:54 GMT -5
yes
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Post by yeni on Apr 12, 2010 10:57:41 GMT -5
www.politics.hu/20100412/fidesz-sweep-points-to-twothirds-majority-in-next-parliamentFidesz sweep points to two-thirds majority in next Parliament By Hungary Around the Clock Fidesz looks set to win a sweeping, two-thirds majority in Parliament after winning 52.7% of the votes in Sunday's first round of elections. The result puts the party far ahead of the Socialists, who received 19.3%, and the far-right Jobbik, at 16.7%. In perhaps the night's biggest surprise, recently formed Politics Can Be Different (LMP) easily surpassed the 5% threshold to gain entry to the legislature, winning 7.5% of all votes cast. The Democratic Forum will not be returning to the House, having polled only 2.7% of the vote. Party leader Ibolya Dávid announced her resignation. News website Index projects that Fidesz will have 261 seats, three more than the 258 required for a two-thirds majority in the 386-member House, with the Socialists holding 54 seats, Jobbik 51 and LMP 20. Based on constituency votes and mandates assigned through the regional list votes, Fidesz has already obtained 206 seats, the Socialists 28, Jobbik 26 and LMP 5. Fidesz candidates scored a near total victory in the individual constituencies, winning outright 119 of the 174 seats available and leading in all but two of the remaining 55. The exceptions are both in Budapest's 13th District, where Socialist candidates will defend narrow leads in the second round on April 25. Fidesz will most probably win at least 48 of the 55 seats still undecided, and will also obtain some of the seats distributed for the national lists, raising its total above 258. Fidesz tallied 2.7 million votes, more than the 2.3 million obtained in 2006. The Socialist vote collapsed from 2.3 million four years ago to 989,609. Jobbik received 854,745 votes, and fourth-placed LMP 382,991. Turnout was 64.4%, slightly lower than 2006's 67.8%. Fidesz easily won the regional list votes in all 19 counties and Budapest, scoring 60% or slightly less in western Hungary. Jobbik finished second ahead of the Socialists in eight counties, most of them in Hungary's north and east. LMP achieved its best result in Budapest, where it took 10% of the vote.
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Post by yeni on Apr 10, 2010 11:51:32 GMT -5
RIP (I dont know how could they allow so many important state ppl to one plane...)
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Post by yeni on Apr 4, 2010 14:40:37 GMT -5
oh that means ill have to visit Kolozsvár/Cluj again when its finished. beware
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Post by yeni on Apr 3, 2010 17:00:38 GMT -5
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Post by yeni on Apr 3, 2010 16:59:29 GMT -5
www.portfolio.hu/en/cikkek.tdp?k=2&i=19819Hungary Fidesz rules out coalition with other parties April 1, 2010, 12:58 pm Share this Hungary’s main opposition party Fidesz, which is expected to win elections this month, will not form a coalition with any other party even if it fails to get a two-thirds majority in Parliament, a party spokesman said on Thursday. hirdetés "We will not form a coalition in order to have two-thirds with anyone," Reuters cited Péter Szijjártó, Fidesz spokesman, as telling a press conference on Thursday. "We will have the initiatives and the other parties will vote as they want," he added. Fidesz is expected to win the vote on April 11 and 25 by a landslide and stands a good chance of winning two-thirds - a "supermajority". Based on most opinion polls, only two other parties are expected to reach the 5% threshold to gain seats in Parliament, namely the ruling Socialists (MSZP) and far-right Jobbik. Green liberal party LMP might also garner enough support for that, some polls suggest. With a two-thirds majority Fidesz could alone change key laws such as elements of the constitution and laws governing local municipalities. Analysts say such moves are essential to reform an oversized and inefficient public sector. Szijjártó ruled out any co-operation with Jobbik, which has boosted its support in the past year by capitalising on public anger over economic crisis and antagonism towards the country's large Roma minority. "We'll have no co-operation with Jobbik because it is an extremist party, a party of violence, they are pretty dangerous to Hungary," Szijjártó was cited as saying. He added he does not see a way of teaming up with the Socialists either. Even without a 2/3rds majority, Fidesz would still initiate changes that require such a strong majority and leave it to the other parties to decide whether to support them or not, the spokesman said.
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Post by yeni on Apr 3, 2010 16:58:47 GMT -5
multumesc Diur, ce mai faci?
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Post by yeni on Apr 1, 2010 13:44:49 GMT -5
teşekkür ederim thracian
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Post by yeni on Mar 25, 2010 10:22:40 GMT -5
dogum günün kutlu olsun!
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Post by yeni on Mar 24, 2010 0:10:06 GMT -5
www.politics.hu/20100324/six-parties-qualify-for-national-surplus-listMarch 24, 2010, 9:32 CET news Six parties qualify for national "surplus" list By MTI Six Hungarian political parties were able to register a national election list for the general election by the Tuesday deadline, the National Election Office said. The parties which qualify for a national list were the ruling Socialist Party, the opposition Fidesz-Christian Democrat alliance, the radical nationalist Jobbik, the green party Politics Can Be Different (LMP), the Democratic Forum and the Civil Movement. This is the lowest number of parties to qualify since Hungary's first democratic elections in 1990. Out of the ten parties that fielded a national list during the last elections in 2006, four made it to Parliament. Under the election law, national lists can be entered by parties that are able to field a regional list in seven of Hungary's 20 regions, namely the 19 counties and Budapest. The 386-member Parliament will be elected in two rounds, on April 11 and 25. As many as 176 seats will be granted to winners in individual constituencies, and 210 to regional and national party lists. The number of seats allocated to national lists will be at least 58. The electorate will not directly vote on national lists. The parties which qualified will be allocated seats in parliament in proportion to their "surplus votes" that were cast on them but failed to contribute to a mandate. Parties unable to win at least 5 percent of votes cast on regional lists in the first round will have no access to "national-list" seats.
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Post by yeni on Mar 23, 2010 23:58:30 GMT -5
koszi wbb and Oszkar! Csak huszonhat, nem huszonhet
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