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Post by Shmajser on Apr 21, 2008 6:31:48 GMT -5
I thin Skoric might be a closet Albanian, that is why he is posting here all the time.
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Post by Shmajser on Apr 21, 2008 6:28:36 GMT -5
Barca for many reasons. Its an emotional connection to them from Cruijff time. Im a fan of dutch football. Therefore Ajax is my first love. Barca comes second. They are a team of people and for me being a desperate leftist means something. I also like jews once they got the Ajax connection. Political correctness above everything. ;D That jersey u saying, never got an advertise on. Only UNICEF. Its honorable. Real is a good squad and now they seem to have a dutch colony there. Im happy to see Roben, Drenthe and my favorite player for the time being - Sneijder there. So no hate to Real. It would be very nice to see Lorik wearing that jersey too. Actually they need a player like him. Could be the next Herrero, who knows... Thanks for the support. Barca could win the C.L this season. Ajax is a great team, to bad they are not able to keep most of their star players, usually any good player they have will eventually get sold to clubs like Real, Barca, Chelsea, Liverpool. I am sure they would be on par with teams like Chelsea, ManU, Barca, Real if they kept some of their major players. It seems to me that French and Dutch league is just a testing ground for players who might end up in England, Italy or Spain. Thats a shame i think we need more variety. You probably meant to say Hierro, he was a defender, not a midfield player. Here is a great site about Barca, funny shit. www.anti-barcelona.com/
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Post by Shmajser on Apr 21, 2008 6:12:10 GMT -5
What happened to Sarpussy, is he posting under a different nick now?
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Post by Shmajser on Apr 20, 2008 16:39:38 GMT -5
Shmajser you are correct. The Bulgars(who have a claim to most of the churches in Kosovo) and the Turks have far more rights to claim Kosovo as theirs. Bulgarian have ruled for more than 300 years and Ottoman Empire for more than 500 years. Let's see who has ruled First Bulgarian Empire (850 to 1180) Medieval Serbia (1180 to 1455) Ottoman Empire (1455 - 1912) Don't forget Skanderbeg and the Dukagjini family for crying out loud. Some people here think that albanians never ruled kosovo in the middle ages. Well don't because you will only satisfy ''you know who''. Temporary military conquest don`t mean anything, one can`t base territorial claims on those grounds, imagine how big Germany and Turkey would be than. The most important part is that Albanians are indigenous people in Kosovo, that`s all that matters really.
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Post by Shmajser on Apr 20, 2008 16:32:14 GMT -5
I prefer Barca from Real. "Ronaldo, Figo" TRAITORS!!! Why Farca, they look like clowns in those jerseys, currently they are 11 points behind Real, where is the "Fantastic 4" we hear so much about . ;DBut i wish them all the best against Man.U i really do.
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Post by Shmajser on Apr 20, 2008 7:23:20 GMT -5
Thats the thing i dont get, Bulgarians built most of those churches by tearing down the roman structures and using the bricks, yet the Serbs claim the territorry because they owned it briefly 553 years ago? Bulls**t, the area belongs to the people who live there today. If you use "Serb Logic" we should then as Albanians try to rebuild our kingdom of Illyria and expell the Serbs back to Iran. Why only Iran, according to a "prominent" Serbian historian Jovan Deretic even Jesus was a Serb who spoke Sarmatian, and according to him and several other Serbian "scholars" every city and country in Europe has Serbian roots not only in Europe but throughout Asia and Africa as well, i know this sounds ridiculous even coming from Serbs but that is what they claim. Here is the link if you don`t believe me, i am sure some of you understands Serbian. www.vreme.com/cms/view.php?id=541840 jer nema u Evropi grada koji nema srpske korene, nema države koja nema srpske toponime, čak u severnoj Africi, u Aziji, do Sibira.So basically wherever you send them they would feel at home, cause remember the whole world is Serbian. ;D I swear sometimes i think that these "professors" are Croats and Bosniaks trying to ridicule the Serbs, this is just to much man, even for their standards.
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Post by Shmajser on Apr 19, 2008 18:33:22 GMT -5
I am a huge Real Madrid fan, i hope that this player joins Los Blancos, but i bet those are just rumors, it would be nice to see him wearing the white jersey of Real Madrid, like DiStefano, Ronaldo, Figo, Beckham, Redondo,R.Carlos...
HALA MADRID, PUTA BARCA. ;D
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Post by Shmajser on Apr 19, 2008 18:24:16 GMT -5
Serbs believe that if you build a church somewhere in about few centuries you can claim that area, they even have a saying that goes something like this "wherever there are Serbian graves, that`s the Serbian land". ;D Hell even Bulgarians and Turks have a bigger claim on KosovA, but you don`t see them claiming that area. Whats all that hype about the battle of Kosovo, that battle wasn`t really important at all from the military standpoint,it`s barely mentioned in the Turkish records, they lost the war in the battle of Maritsa really.
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Post by Shmajser on Apr 19, 2008 17:52:01 GMT -5
Find me one original document about Croatian statehood in the middle ages JUST ONE DOCUMENT, that`s all i ask. ;DProve to me that you are not just some Vatikan fabrication?
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Post by Shmajser on Apr 19, 2008 17:46:38 GMT -5
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Post by Shmajser on Apr 4, 2008 14:00:02 GMT -5
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Post by Shmajser on Apr 4, 2008 13:57:24 GMT -5
'Bosna i Hercegovina i ustavne uredbe' 1911. godine piše austro-ugarski diplomat A. Sheck:
"Kada se jednom srpskom /pravoslavnom/ seljaku postavi pitanje šta je, on samosvjesno odgovcara: 'Srbin, gospodine', a kad se to isto pitanje postavi katoličkom seljaku, on stidljivo odgovara da je katolik. Ni od jednog bosanskog seljaka nisam čuo da je Hrvat. Nasuprot tome, bosanski intelektualci, zanatlije, trgovci katoličke vjere priznaju se bez izuzetka Hrvatima"
To pokazuje da sirenje hrvatske nacionalne ideje još 1911. nije uzelo maha kod Bosnjackih katolika na selu.
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Post by Shmajser on Apr 4, 2008 15:30:56 GMT -5
7-9th century Croatia: When the people identified as Croats dispatched the Avars there came into existence two territories identified with the word 'Croatian' ( some argue three) in the form of Dalmatian Croatia and Pannonian Croatia. Pannonian Croatia in the north was conquered from the Croats by the Franks just as soon the Croats took it from the Avars. This was probably the single most important event in Croatian history. The Franks made a run for the south ( Dalmatia) but were unable to hold it mainly due to other problems presenting themselves in the Frankish Empire. Dalmatian Croatia remained relatively autonomous but still formally under Byzantine rule. The Dalmatian coastal cities were almost 100% populated with Latins, Greeks, Vlachs and formal citizens of the Empire. The Croats and Slavs were settled around the cities in the Dalmatian hinterland and inwards in Bosnia. Because of Frankish rule and close proximity to Latin cities, two important factors affected Croatia for the rest of its existence. One, the Catholic Church by way of the Roman priests administering to Croats and Slavs the Western Christian faith. The Croats and Slavs under them came into communion with the Western Church. The Frankish rule introduced into Croatia and Slovenia contractual feudalism which would play an important role for the rest of Croatia's existence. The Latin city-states would be monumentally influential.
In the D.A.I Constantine reports that Croatia land was divided into 11 zupas Livno, Cetina, Imota, Pliva... he than lists where other Slavic regions were. Zupas like Livno, Imota , Pliva bordered with Bosnia Large parts of what was to become ex-Yugoslavia was under the rule of the original Slaveni, those areas included Bosnia and Duklja(Montenegro)
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Post by Shmajser on Apr 4, 2008 15:12:54 GMT -5
Ciao Zeko ;D'
Entire thread dedicated to me, i am flattered.
Idon't think its really an absurd notion for Catholics and Orthodox peoples respectively in Bosnia to declare themselves Croats and Serbs. The precedent of ethno-nationalism is already set in Bosnia and even the Muslims have adopted a specifically Bosnian ethno-nationalist identity called Bosniak. I am sure you're aware of Bosniaks in regions outside of Bosnia declaring themselves ethnically Bosniaks as well. Its even a more ridiculous notion for one to deny another person's freedom and liberty to declare himself what he wants.
Well it is kind of absurd since they know virtually nothing about them, it`s like me identifying with Sioux Indians, so to you it is logical for the catholics an orthodox christians to identify with some savage non-slavic Asian tribes, they lost all connection to a long long time ago, only the name is passed on to them, the name they carry with great pride and at the same time 99,99% of them don`t even know what those names actually mean. Even to this day the are convinced that the language they speak is Serbian or Croatian, how can non-Slavs speak a Slavic language, oh Zeko can`t you see how lost they are. I am sure Croats an Serbs from Turkey or Iran spoke Slavic yeah right HAHA. Did you know that back in 1911 some catholic peasants didn`t know what word Croat even means, do you trust me when i tell you this? Matica Srpska didn`t even mention Serbs in Bosnia back in 1825, why is that? Serbs were those people who belonged to the orthodox church it was just a religious affiliation back than.
As far as the history goes and the 'savagery' of the medieval Croats and Serbs I would question that deeply. I concede that the majority of historians ( including myself) believe that the Croat and Serb names are not Slavic in origin. There is also compelling evidence to link the Croat and Serb name to the ancient Persian civilization but in the end I think its really unimportant. I also don't believe that being 'Turkic' or Asiatic implies savagery necessarily. Certainly the Western Europeans considered non Christian 'newcomers' barbarians but that doesn't imply that they were in the pejorative sense of the word. Heck, by the 7th century, Europe was unofficially divided between the Western Church and the Eastern Byzantine rite and both sides considered the other uncivilized.
Dude it`s the 7-th century most people were savages back than, even the Romans, anyway at that time many tribes were incorporated in the Roman society and took up Roman names, numerous Roman military leaders were of Gothic origin like Strabo(not sure about him) the Croats were invited to defeat the Avars, not because they were good in fine arts, there are no records of Serbs fighting the Avars. So i see no problem in calling them barbaric or savage. I am note sure about the Slaves(Serbs) but i am almost certain that the Croats were of Turkic origin, we have only a slight indication that they are from Persia, but that is not enough, the word Croat according to Karatay consists of two words KUR - BAT and is connected to Turkish historical names like Kur-Sad, Kur-Han, Kur-Tegin... I am sure you are aware of that story about 5 brothers and two sisters from the D.A.I Klukas, Lobel, Kosenc, Muhlo, Hrvat and sisters Tuga and Buga, those names are Turskish 100% and can easily be traced in Turkish language KŸlŸk, Alpel, Kssenci, Mugel Korvat and 2 sisters Tugay and Buga, do you think that these similarities are a coincidence? It is also mentioned in the D.A.I that the Croats intermarried with the Turks, which could possibly suggest that they were somehow related, don`t you think. Mr. Karatay suggests that a tribe of Oguric union, a Turkic group coming to Europe just after the collapse of the Hun Empire, second half of the 5th century, were driven by the Avars from the northwest of the Caspian sea to Galicia, south of Poland. A few years later the Avars came just to their south, in today's Hungary and Slovakia. That Ogurs became champions of resistance to the Avars, and organized local people(Slavs) Anyway Serbs and Croats don`t have an official theory about their arrival, their language, culture, appearance. The issue of their origin has been subject to hard debates, but their roots are still "officially" not known. i am afraid if they don`t take up a Bosniak identity they will continue to be people without an identity in Bosnia.
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Post by Shmajser on Apr 2, 2008 5:35:29 GMT -5
Stickinthemud illyria.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=bosniahercegovina&action=display&thread=1207042119Before the rise of general nationalism in Europe, the overwhelming majority of Europeans had regional and local identities, not ethnic ones. Bosnia is no special case. 'Ethnic identities' are superficial at best. Bosnia used to be divided into provinces between its nobles as it adopted Western European feudalism when it was incorporated into the Hungarian kingdom. I agree, that was the case in the Balkans as well, actually in Bosnia, nationalities were first introduced in the mid 19-th century. That is nearly a century after the same process tok place in Europe, but that is beside the pont, the term Bosniak is by itself a ethno-regional term, THERE WAS NO SERBIAN OR CROATIAN national awareness not even in a medieval sense of the word . To equate catholics and orthodox christians with Serbs and Croats is stupid, to call people living in Bosnia anything else but Bosniaks is ridiculous since they have no connection with those wild savage tribes that ceme in the 7-th century(if they came in that time period at all), only the name, they don`t know for certain where Serbs and Croats came from, they don`t know for sure how they looked, what language they spoke, what God or Gods they believed in. All we know for certain is that they were not Slavs, all linguists confirm that, according to D.A.I the term Serb is the name for a slave, a Croat simply means "one who owns much land". There is no archeological evidence of any proto Croatian or proto Serbian tribes in Bosnia No trace of their existance at all!!! Do you think it is more reasonable than for the Catholics and Orthodox christians to identify with some barbarians they don`t know almost nothing about, or with the country they live in? Bosna=Bosnjaci
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Post by Shmajser on Apr 4, 2008 16:29:36 GMT -5
the guy's a tosser. i read what he said, but i wont even dignify it with a reply there. croats are of turkish origin?..... what a joke he say that croats look asian, lol he must not see very well. last time i checked i dont look asian even the slightest. i would say that my looks are very dinaric. if croats origins are asians & or turks, then bosniaks must be that too, given the fact that we are the same peoples.
No, Mr. Starcevic wannabe we are not the same people, different, culture, genetics, origins, religion, customs, how did you come to a conclusion that we are the same? I don`t think that you are Asian, it was the Turks who formed you as a people, they gave you the name Hrvat, which is kind of strange considering how much you ppl hate everything Turkish, kind of ironic don`t you think.
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Post by Shmajser on Apr 4, 2008 16:23:07 GMT -5
So shmajmun is back in town. Oh dear.
Yes Fender Bender, i am back, don`t worry i won`t be around much, i am only here to promote my site and jerk around with lowlifes like yourself. Did you cry when KOSOVA became independent?
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Post by Shmajser on Apr 4, 2008 16:19:57 GMT -5
This is what history sounds like when a person delivering it does not have an agenda. Bravo.
Well yeah, what makes you think i don`t agree, i bet you didn`t even read 10% of what he wrote, but you immediately assumed that he is somehow against me, actually i agree with 80% of what he wrote. How are you doing Vinibljak? Remember our previous discussions on the old forum. Ever since you learned how to use that delete button you were after me(and it took you a while). ;D
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Post by Shmajser on Apr 2, 2008 5:49:53 GMT -5
illyria.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=bosniahercegovina&action=display&thread=1207041774Deu konjSerbs in Bosnia were there long before Muslims came. Bosnia was a Serb kingdom and as much Serb as Serbia or Montenegro. Then the Ottomans came and told the Serbs in Bosnia that they can have all earthly things if they convert. Some betrayed their heritage while most remained loyal to Serbdom. How does it feel to know that your ancestors were corrupt traitors? This posrbica is even worse than CroASIANS, do you know what your pathetic name even means. Let me refresh your memory in case you forgot. www.bogbosnaibosnjastvo.org/znacenjerijecisrbin.htm ;D Serb is merely a social status, it means nothing, are African- Americans Serbs as well. ;D Yes, you showed your loyalty to Serbdom when you helped Turks to defeat the largest Christian army in a battle of Nicopolli. It tok 300 years for the Christian Europe to recover from that defeat, so piss off with your Serbian pseudo history, and Marko Kraljevic whom you celebrate so much was a Turkish vassal, and Lazar was a faithful Turkish servant even in Anadolia dumbass.
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Post by Shmajser on Apr 2, 2008 5:08:29 GMT -5
illyria.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=bosniahercegovina&action=display&thread=1207042119Cikola the retard said I'm so flattered that u adore our Catholic queen of BiH Croats so muchWhat does Cro rats have to do with Bosnia or Europe for that matter, you were a savage barbarian tribe from Turkey with non -Slavic Turkish names like Tuga, Buga, Kukles, Horvat. It is only thanks to the mixture with the locals and Slavs that came before you in the 6 century that you look like human beings at all. Dumbass ;D tyson the moron said sorry to be blunt, but you're a poturica. your descendants sold her out, and betrayed her by taking the side of the invaders/opressors/enemies. only the croats of BiH deserve the right to call her their queen. Do you Cro ASIAN know what poturica means, it simply means a crypto christian, someone who is just nominally a muslim but practises Christianity in secret. I don`t fit that description so if you are going to use certain terms do describe someone at lest try to find out what they mean first, MORON. As for me being a muslim, what were Croats before they became Christians, were they Christians from the very beginning IDIOT. So if you use some logic and common sense you could describe yourself as a traitor to. As for our queen, in that picture she does not look Asian, does she, she spoke Slavic, and we all know that Croats much like the Serbs were not of Slavic origin, if she truly was a Croat she would look Asian, and speak some barbarian language, but she was not she was Bosniak, a persons religion does not change his ethnic identity, a Bosniak can be a Muslim, Christian, Hinduist, member of Hari Krishna but he/she is still a Bosniak. MigAnd that is all anybody has to say. I agree 100%. You agree because you are just as retarded as he is.
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