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Post by Shmajser on Dec 11, 2008 4:43:31 GMT -5
What is your opinion on Gospa tyson, i was in Medugorje many times, it`s like Catholic Meka, my parents were born not so far from Medugorje, do you believe that Gospa appeared there or do you think it`s a ploy for tourists.
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Post by Shmajser on Dec 10, 2008 6:25:10 GMT -5
We got a new coach yesterday, i hope things will turn around for us, we play against Farca next, they are in great from, ready for revenge, we thrashed them last year.
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Post by Shmajser on Dec 10, 2008 6:17:08 GMT -5
Wow, so many replies, never knew there was so many atheists on this board, i will not be able to reply to everyone, cause i don`t have the time so i shell focus only on Arthur Kane, since he seems to be the brightest one, plus i didn`t read all the replies so it is not even possible to answer all. Are you seriously going to stand by the claim the Quran is a book of science? Not just science , but the all science having an advanced understanding of physics, biology, geology, etc. Hahaha. Really, you should consider picking up a real science text if you are truly interested.
The Arab culture that made up Islam borrowed many ideas from the lands they conquered in the West and inherited vast reserves of philosophical and pre-scientific knowledge of the Ancient Greeks such as contained in the Great Library of Alexandria. They also inherited Judeo-Christian theology and spawned their own religion from it.
You really should try to understand what atheism and evolution actually are. Atheism =/= Theory of Evolution though most atheists are rationally minded and accept the massive evidences for biological evolution. One does not need to be an atheist to accept evolution by natural selection as a fact and valid scientific theory.
Yes Quran is the book of science, many ideas may seem like they were borrowed from ancient Greek and Arab scholars, who said many correct things, but they also said many false things as well, everything in Quran is scientifically accurate, there is not a single contradiction, it is impossible only to borrow/copy correct things and leave out the incorrect ones, just because you find similarities between ancient scholars and the Quran it does not mean that Quran copied from them, besides Muhammed could not write. Yes i know there are millions of sites out there trying to disprove the Quran, but they are mostly hate sites, created by the people who don`t even speak Arabic. If you want to know the truth talk to the Islamic scholars, you will find all sorts of stuff on the internet. Many atheists demand a scientific proof for the existence of God. I agree, today is the age of science and technology. So i will use scientific facts to kill two birds with one stone, to prove the existence of God and at the same time prove that the Quran is from God. In mathematics there is a theory known as Theory of Probability. If you have two options, out of which one is right, and one is wrong, the chances that you will chose the right one is half, one out of the two will be correct. You have 50% chances of being correct.If you throw a coin the chances that your guess will be correct is 50% (1 out of 2) 1/2. If you throw a coin the second time, the chances that you will be correct in the second throw is again 50% half. But the chances that you will be correct in both times is half multiplied by half (1/2 x 1/2) which is equal to 1/4 50% of 50% which is equal to 25%. If you throw a coin the third time, chances that you will be correct all three times is (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2) that is 1/8 or 50% of 50% of 50% that is 12½%. A dice has got six sides. If you throw a dice and guess any number between 1 to 6, the chances that your guess will be correct is 1/6. If you throw the dice the second time, the chances that your guess will be correct in both the throws is (1/6 x 1/6) which is equal to 1/36. If you throw the dice the third time, the chances that all your three guesses are correct is (1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6) is equal to 1/216 that is less than 0.5 %. If we apply this theory of probability to the Quran, and assume that a person has guessed all the information that is mentioned in the Quran which was unknown at that time. Let us discuss the probability of all the guesses being at the same time correct. At the time when the Quran was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It could be triangular, it could be all kinds of shapes. Lets assume there are about 30 different options for the shape of the earth. The Quran says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30. The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The Quran says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both the guesses the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60. The Quran also mentions every living thing is made of water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water, cement.... The options are say about 10,000. The Quran rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of all the three guesses the earth is spherical, light of moon is reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%. The Quran speaks about hundreds of things that were not known to men at the time of its revelation. Only in three options the result is .0017%. I leave it upto you, to work out the probability if all the hundreds of the unknown facts were guesses, the chances of all of them being correct guesses at the same time and there being not a single wrong guess. It is beyond human capacity to make all correct guesses without a single mistake, which itself is sufficient to prove to a logical person that the origin of the Quran is divine.
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Post by Shmajser on Dec 9, 2008 3:25:22 GMT -5
Does Islam show empirically that god exists? Is it a hypothesis subject to scientific experiment? The Quran is hardly scientific and the pseudo-science proposed by the pedophile Harun Yahya to try to offer credence to his antiquated religion won't cut it. Translations of the Quran have been less altered than the Bible since the Quran has remained in Arabic only for so many years. They're both fairy tales since they lack evidence showing the god they propose actually exists. I don't even find them an inspiring source for morality, quite the opposite actually. These are not fairy tales my friend, there is no science in fairy tales. To say that someone could of predicted these things 1400 years ago goes agains the theory of probability, which means that mathematically it is not possible. There is only one God, none of that 3 in 1 b.s, one Quran, not 100, and one last messenger Muhammed p.b.u.h. True fairy tales are b.s made by the atheists like how we all evolved from monkeys, and yet there are still monkeys around, somehow they did not evolve, isn`t that strange.LOOL Than you have Big bang theory,LOOOOOL, the earth was created when some giant rocks hit our planet, who created that rock i wonder, you see the scientists don`t want to admit that there is a creation because than they would have to admit that there is a creator,and we can`t have that now can we.
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Post by Shmajser on Dec 8, 2008 7:53:32 GMT -5
This behavior from anthropologically unevolved sub-humans doesn`t surprise me, if the slaves did this to Albs 5 prdoslav churches would have been burned for retaliation.
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Post by Shmajser on Dec 8, 2008 7:35:41 GMT -5
serbianimals, if the church was burned down it would be a breaking news on CNN and BBC, sta ja vama svo vrijeme govorim da morate biti ko Albanci, sa zivotinjama nema milosti.
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Post by Shmajser on Dec 8, 2008 4:39:15 GMT -5
I am a Madrid fan, it was painful to watch our game against Sevile yesterday night, we really need someone to stabilize our midfield now that Diarra will be out for at least 3 months, i hear that Albanian player is pretty good, he and Gago would make a good pair in midfield.
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Post by Shmajser on Dec 8, 2008 4:31:27 GMT -5
I live in Dobrinja suburb, nothing much to see there. I `ve been to Incognito, never heard of that Cheers bar, they probably opened recently.
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Post by Shmajser on Dec 8, 2008 3:57:23 GMT -5
What Christianity? There are at least 100 different versions of Bible: the king James Bible(probably the most used one),the Geneva Bible,Taverners Bible....and other 18-th,19-th and 20-th century versions of Bible. With so many different version and interpretation how can one be sure what they believe in. I think that most ppl believe in God because of the fear that they might go to hell if they don`t, just to be on the safe side. With Islam it`s different, in Quran there is science, today you have to prove with testable evidence that God exists, blind faith is fake faith. Stuff like "i saw a miracle", "i saw a vision","Jesus spoke to me in a dream" won`t cut it anymore, that`s why ppl in the West convert to Islam.
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Post by Shmajser on Dec 5, 2008 6:53:46 GMT -5
This thread demonstrates perfectly why we need a seperate Bosniak forum, cedomiri are bored in servia forum because of the censorship, so they have to come here only to provoke. In a Bosniak forum with Bosniak mods this would never happen. As for my so called "propaganda", well in order to judge what is propaganda and what are facts you need to educate yourself, i think when someone reads nearly 200 books related to Croatian history, which include works of Vjekoslav Klaic, Nada Klaic, Grga Novak, Trpimir Macan,Milan Budak,Karatay,John V.A Fine, Kronsteiner and many many others than i think you can examine and talk about certain aspects of Croatian history Illyria. www.bogbosnaibosnjastvo.org/porijeklohrvataobicaji.htmCheck out this thread, take a look at how many books i have used to prove my so called propaganda, how many Croats on this forum read this many books about Croatian history? Better yet how many Croats on this forum even speaks Croatian properly?LOOL So when i make statements about your people it`s based on what i read from some of your very own and foreign historians, not on hate. Same thing with servs, people who get all their knowledge from wikikikirikipedia, youtube videos and who can barely speak servian are criticizing me.LOOL Get a life loosers. That is why we need our own forum, to avoid loosers, and talk about issues that concern us without some lunatics who`s entire purpose in life is to provoke other people with their childish little sigs, and dumb comments. Kosovo forum is devided, i think this one should be to.
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Post by Shmajser on Dec 4, 2008 4:11:19 GMT -5
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Post by Shmajser on Dec 4, 2008 3:55:40 GMT -5
Did i say i wanted to be a mod.? I will never candidate myself for a moderator position here, and i don`t deserve to be a moderator, i think that is fairly clear. I am only suggesting that we Bosniaks deserve a forum where we can post freely, or to put it another way, where Aadmin turns a blind eye. I don`t think that`s to much to ask now is it, why would you be against such a forum? Please don`t say stuff like "rules apply to everyone equally" b.s, we both know that`s not the case. I think i speak for every Bosniak when i say that such a forum is needed, or we can make two sub-forums, a multi-kulti one like this one, and one for Bosniaks only where we set up the discussion rules.
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Post by Shmajser on Dec 4, 2008 3:33:34 GMT -5
I think aadmin should change the forum description to "topics centered on slaves,croasians and Bosniaks" to make it more fair. Mod. composition and forum description make no sense. I personally think that this forum should have only Bosniak mods and Bosniak participants(o.k we can include Albanians like servus lol). Kunta Kinte and Kur-bati have their own home forums with censorship, i think we Bosniaks deserve our own forum, where i can post anything without smrdi like Vinyak editing and deleting my topics all the time like he did on "the reasons you hate sluge thread".
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Post by Shmajser on Dec 4, 2008 3:22:16 GMT -5
Moj omiljeni trener Reala, kada su njega otpustili nismo ni jednom osvojili ligu sampiona.
španskih prvoligaša Barcelone
Fuj, ja nebi muhu ubio sa ovim dresom, bljak. Hala Madrid, puta Farca. ;D
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Post by Shmajser on Dec 1, 2008 7:42:52 GMT -5
Slovenia, only because i know all the other motherfvckers, no matter how Slovenians are as ppl they can`t be worse than Balkanoids, and i don`t understand what they are saying.LOOL That can be a very good thing in the Balkans.
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Post by Shmajser on Nov 29, 2008 5:55:34 GMT -5
I think Assenije should of included Slavs in Greece, so many Slavs were settled around Thessaloniki that a town was desribed as a Roman island in a Slavic sea by a local source. Aadmin could tell you more about it if he is not to ashamed. ;D
Nice pictures by the way, there is a huge surplus of women in Russia there are 9 million more women than men, no wonder they have to go abroad, besides Russian men are much more interested in vodka than women.LOOL As a general rule Slav looking ppl in the Balkans live mostly in the northern regions like Slavonija(hint: that`s why it is called Slavonija),Vojvodina... further south you go the dinaric racial type prevails.
Tito
I think Jelena could have some Bulgarian blood,that could explain her looks,proto-Bulgarians were Turkic ppl just like Croats. There are many Bulgarian toponyms throughout Servia. Plus many Tatars and Kumans(Turks) were in Dusans army,there were many Albanians as well.
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Post by Shmajser on Nov 25, 2008 6:54:29 GMT -5
How about it's a slavic language (not Illyrian) which was primarily developed by the Serbs & to which Bosniak scholars such as Mesa Selimovic adhered to.
Yes Slavic language since illyrian language if ever such language existed had died out, Serbs could not have developed anything because they were merely a social status. ;D SLAVES, SLAVES, SLAVES LOOLCHINA repeat this 10000 times until you finally get it. How about love for your pashaluk, not country. Present day Bosniaks had a pashaluk. Not a country or Kingdom. In any case Serbs have much much much much more in common with Tvrtko than any present day Bosniak. lol.
You probably mean elayet that included present day Sandzak and parts of Croatia, Bosnian elayet resembled the continuation of Bosnian medieval state that had a great deal of autonomy, the locals were in power we were nearly independent from the porte, Again remember SLAVES SLAVES SLAVES slaves have nothing in common with Tvrtko you mean nothing, you could argue that you have something in common with African Americans, if you apply that logic. Do you finally get it Kunta Kinte.lLOOL
That's absolutely absurd & ridiculous! Absolutely & totally in your dreams. Not only was Christianity around for centuries before Islam but so was Catholicism, Orthdoxy & “Serbian” Orthodoxy in Bosnia. You seriously expect someone to believe that the Bosniaks were hiding out in the hills & they were heretics the whole time until the friendly Turks came along and enlightened you? Open for discussion. Absolutely ridiculous. Serbs have more in common with a few random and scattered people who called themselves Bosniaks then the present day Bosniaks. If you were Christian of any denomination, even if you were heretic, or spoke Illyrian then full respect to that but it's not the case. Serbs could just as easily claim that type of heritage but it has no meaning.
"...the Manichees,who were almost majority in his Kingdom,preffered Turks to the Christians." ("The Bosnian Church : A New Interpretation",John V.A. Fine Jr.,Columbia University Press,1975.,stranica 328.) Sto,u prijevodu na bosanski znaci:
"...Maniheji,kojih je uglavnom vecina u njegovom Kraljevstvu vise vole Turcima nego krscanima."
O tome kako se Bosnjaci masovno okrecu protiv Kralja Tomasevica i prelaze na stranu Sultana Fatiha,i da su time sticali SLOBODU,imamo vise historijskih svjedocanstava,od kojih je najkonkretnije napisano rukom samog Kralja Tomasevica:
U svom pismu papi,obavjestavajuci ga o tome,Kralj Stjepan Tomasevic kaze:
"The Turks have built a number of fortifications in my kingdom and are showing kindly disposition toward the peasants.They promise that all who desert to them shall be free and they welcome them graciously.The inexperienced rustics do not understand their wiles and think their liberty will last forever.The people will be easily induced by such tricks to desert me unless they see me fortified by your aid,and the nobles,if they are deserted by the peasants will not hold out long in their fortress"(Citat iz pisma Bosanskog Kralja Tomaseica papi naveden u knjizi:"The Late Medieval Balkans:",John V.A. Fine Jr.,The University of Michigan Press,2006,stranica 583.) Sto,u prijevodu na bosanski,znaci:
"Turci su izgradili vise utvrda u mom kraljevstvu i ponasaju se dobro prema seljacima. Obecavaju im da ce svi oni koji predju na njihovu stranu biti SLOBODNI i ljubazni su prema njima.Neiskusni nitkovi ne razumiju njihove podlosti i misle da ce njihova SLOBODA trajati zauvijek.Narod ce biti vrlo lako naveden takvim trikovima da me napusti osim ako me ne vide utvrdjena tvojom pomoci,a ako plemici budu napusteni od strane seljaka nece moci dugo izdrzati u tvrdjavama."
Robert Guisepi: Though they have often been depicted as brutal and corrupt despots in Western writings, the Ottoman sultans, especially in the early centuries of their sway, were frequently very capable rulers. Ottoman conquest often meant effective administration and tax relief for the peoples of areas annexed to the empire. This was true for the peasants throughout much of the Balkans, whose Christian overlords had oppressed them with excessive tax and service demands in the decades before the Ottoman takeover.
history-world.org/ottoman%20empire.htm
Wikipedia: When they left in 1307 to attack Byzantine Thrace, the locals welcomed the Ottomans who once again began blockading key fortresses in Asia Minor.[17] The Ottomans were able to implement their military success due to the numerous divisions amongst their opponents. Many of the peasant classes in Anatolia saw the Ottomans as the better master[18][19]
Serbian historians don`t teach you these things, it`s always plunder, nabijanje na kolac, cela kule etc.
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Post by Shmajser on Nov 25, 2008 4:01:31 GMT -5
illyria.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=scmajsterscorner&action=display&thread=13112Izvori o herezi, onaj ko je zainteresovan za ovu tematiku neka ih pregleda. Oh, and one more thing there are no Sarmatian Serbs,no Serboi, no Sorabi, that is just a linguistical trickery, you were simply a group of ppl that got your name after servitude,deal with it ;D ‘Serbs’ in the tongue of the Romans is the word for ’slaves’, whence the colloquial ’serbula’ for menial shoes, and ‘tzerboulianoi’ for those who wear cheap, shoddy footgear. This name the Serbs acquired from their being slaves of the emperor of the Romans.
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Post by Shmajser on Nov 25, 2008 3:52:08 GMT -5
Well you are dumber than a doorknob, because you totally missed the point. Bosnjani from the Middle Ages have nothing to do with this thread. And if you wish to bring them up they have nothing to do with Bosniaks today (regardless of you forcibly associating with it). Nothing in commom?!? How about similar language and similar appearence, and yes as Gorshtak mentioned love for my country, we still celebrate ppl like ban Kulin and Tvrtko, as for religion,well Bosnjani were considered to be heretics by many of our eastern and western neighbors,reasons for that could be political or that most of us were truly dualists/heretics/manichee/paterans(west) or babuni/bogomili/antihristove pretece like the orthodox ppl used to say. That is open for discussion.You base your whole argument on Islam, we somehow "betrayed" "Christianity" and now we can`t have any continuity with the medieval Bosnjani,but enven that argument is weak because if we were heretics like we are portrayed to be in countless sources,than who did we betray?Certainly not the Christians.
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Post by Shmajser on Nov 24, 2008 9:04:05 GMT -5
You are dumb as a door knob Zgembo, and i am being nice now, Bosnjaci is just a linguistical transformation from Bosnjani, if we use that logic than serbalji are not srbi. ;D Hervati are not Hrvati. Hervatski jezik like Starcevic used to say is not Hrvatski jezik.
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