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Post by MiG on Aug 12, 2009 13:20:40 GMT -5
Sure you have. Now, where exactly were you? Maybe you were in a Dzamija for 5 weeks. Either way, wherever I went, ironically for you, I saw a picture of Drug Tito. It felt like home once again. Oh Goodness Professor. Tell us more. Maybe you can even tell us what exactly will happen in the future. Maybe the EU itself will replace the stars on its flag to the Ljiljani. HAHAA!! You're a tool. Oh, but they have that right... and do they ever!! Except, being fact that the other 56% of the nation will vote against it. Ej buraz, ti fakticki nemas ni 'p' od pojma. Mamlaze! No, its a democracy by all means and definition. The OHR is there to keep things in check so another war doesn't erupt. But, I thought you knew that? I thought you were in tune with "your nation". BTW, if everyone could choose their own flag, they'd also choose their own way of autonomy, and even to go as far as independence. God, I wish someone like you becomes leader of BiH. I'd love to see the people not take your shit, it would be glorious. But lets face it. The so called "ethnic keys" will always be there.. and by God I will support it, why? Because of people like you. That's the same reason the Serbs have their own Republic and that degree of Autonomy.. and I envy them for that. I used to be an advocate of a United Bosnia, but people like you is what is changing my mind, day by day. Bosnia is lucky to have educated people. From everyone I've been with and met down there, they don't give a shit about BiH or Europe itself.
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Post by MiG on Aug 12, 2009 12:05:57 GMT -5
I know you're not fabricating the evidence. I'm just stating that the Serbs would have, more or less, stayed Serbs. Why? Just look at the Serbs that moved from Serbia to Vojna Krajina (Croatia). For over 150-200 years they didn't lose their identity. Serbs have a strong Culture and awareness of it (Just like Croats do), and I don't think that it would disappear so much within a time frame of 100-150 years.
I never said that their ancestry isn't Serbian. I said that its a shady subject because neither side can really put a relative argument on who these people are (Be it Serbs or Bulgars). The land might have been owned by Serbia but it still doesn't mean that it didn't have a majority of Bulgarian People. The two icons buried there could be so because it was Serbia and not Bulgaria at that time (As I have said before).
St. Sava was buried at Trnovo, Bulgaria (Veliko Trnovo/Turnovo/Tarnovo.. aka the City of Czars), but was born in Podgorica, Montenegro (Stari Ras or Sopocani). He was buried in Bulgaria (At the time of the 2nd Bulgarian Empire). I understand he was dug up 2 years later, and transferred to Prijepolje, Serbia (That is near the Drina River).
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Post by MiG on Aug 12, 2009 11:31:46 GMT -5
85%? Ballpark figure? An estimate? Or did you literally test EVERYONE within the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina? When you have done that, then you can claim it. Until then, dream on. Soko might be a Yugo-Nostalgic person, but at least hes modest. I just spend 2 weeks down there, and BiH is the most Yugo-Nostalgic nation of all Ex-Yu Republics. All you are is an anomaly, and maybe even part Albanian. What Democracy? Answer me this.. Is BiH a Multi-Party Democracy? Is BiH run by a Parliamentary Assembly that represents all people's? Does not every group have their own representation within all Government Institutions? That Flag is there to stay, to the day BiH becomes part of the EU, it will stay.
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Post by MiG on Aug 11, 2009 17:26:28 GMT -5
Nope, not even the least bit. LOL!! It's sad because its all you have, and its not even good enough for your own comfort, let alone credibility. Good job.
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Post by MiG on Aug 11, 2009 16:25:11 GMT -5
Didn't I say Silajdzic's little business room doesn't cut it, neither does the ARBiH Insignia. Man, GTFO. You're wasting your time hahaaa!
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Post by MiG on Aug 11, 2009 14:40:12 GMT -5
Thank you.
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Post by MiG on Aug 11, 2009 14:34:46 GMT -5
What a Baws.
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Post by MiG on Aug 11, 2009 14:32:43 GMT -5
Still nothing from the Parliament? That's all you can give me? That's it? Better luck next time "Tito". BTW, I see nowhere on the website (An official Government Website) the Ljiljani. Nowhere. Man, that really tells ya something. Nostalgiacs like Silajdzic (Nostalgic after a mere flag and a vision, something totally non-existent) is expected to have the Ljiljani where he resides or does business. That's like me seeing the Flag of Croatia in the Croat parts of BiH, its really not that valid of a proof. Now, as you may (And probably will) try to find a picture of the Flag, since you're such a proud man, you may do so. So let me see an OFFICIAL government website, or outside of a public place/inside a public place (Not private as you have shown), that shows this as the BiH Political Domestic/Foreign insignia or flag. Hahaaa! Tvoj kredibilitet tone brze nego Titanik.
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Post by MiG on Aug 11, 2009 12:51:25 GMT -5
Aww, Muffin. Why you all depressed 'n s**t?
BTW, I had some Grah today, and I'm tootin' like crazy haha!
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Post by MiG on Aug 11, 2009 12:47:05 GMT -5
Novi, hvala ti na infu, ali opet je tvoj argumenat nekako skrivljen.
Yes, they may lie buried, but that's because the Czardom of Serbia once controlled that land, either directly or through proxy means. Just because a Kingdom or Empire controls that land, does not mean that when it falls it will stay in status quo. The land might have been controlled by Serbia, and the monasteries might be of the Serbian Orthodox Church, but the people were not Serbs. That's like putting forth an argument that the former Caucasus Soviet Republics (Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan) are and should be Russia, because they're Russian, since the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union were once the Rulers of that land. It doesn't work like that. If it did, then Bosnia is and should be Croatia, and by all argument (Using your school of thought) you cannot disagree with me, whatsoever.
Says who. How could you say that he didn't do that? Did you live in that time of day? The only way someone could control a people is by enforcing laws that are made by the ruler. So to say that he didn't impose his beliefs/customs over his people is going a little too far. Kralj Milutin might be buried within Bulgaria, and so may Sv. Sava be buried there, but it doesn't mean that the land is rightfully Serb.
I could say that due to the historical movements/migrations of Croats, that the Czech Republic, South-East Poland and Pannonian Plains should be Croatia due to the historical presence. Hell, that's claiming well over half the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
BTW, the map is your view of how Serbia should be, then why claim all of Bosnia, and the Ragusa Republic, and even modern day Greece?
Dude, its not taking anybody's word. You state that Bulgarians play on technicalities; but in the end so do you. Your arguments are based off of what happened 650-800 years ago.
Bulgarians might have Thracian Genetics, but customs and culture are Slavic, and were Slavic the day Kralj Tomislav met Czar Simeon on the Bosnian Highlands to settle the Border Dispute and save the Serbian people from the wrath of their then Bulgarian oppressors.
Dude Serbs aren't the only Slavic people in the Balkans. You put forth the argument that gives me validity to Claim that Slovenes are Croats too, just that they speak a twisted version of the Kajkavski Dialekt. So now I can claim that Croatia should rightfully own Slovenia, Modern Croatia, BiH, Srijem, and Boka Kotorska.
Then how do you explain Bulgaria being in existence before the "Turkic Bulgars" came; since you claim they arrived and established themselves as a nation 681AD, but then now they arrived 150+ years after the Serbs?
Even if that did happen, as you claim, that still means that the Slavs in Bulgaria are still Bulgarian.
BTW, how do you come to the conclusion that Bulgarians are Turkic? That means so should the Greeks be.
So how were they formally Serbs? I see no document from that day and age stating that very thing, from either side; let alone a 3rd Party.
Just a couple of questions, that's all.
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Post by MiG on Aug 11, 2009 12:17:47 GMT -5
That's the one and only picture. Dude, Silajdzic jacks off to that flag daily, 3 times a day, for at least 30 minutes. I don't care for one picture. Show me the flag in the Parliamentary Assembly being displayed as so. For all I know, that flag could be in some damn hotel room, or Silajdzic's own villa, if he has one. Please, do the honors, or your current article, with the little map you have created, doesn't mean shit.
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Post by MiG on Aug 11, 2009 12:14:09 GMT -5
Yeh! Power to the people bebeh.
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Post by MiG on Aug 11, 2009 0:17:26 GMT -5
Man fuck the EU. The politicians need to grow a set or take them out of their purses. They may live large, but from what I've seen down there, its the common people Middle Class and Lower, that get affected by their spending. Why the hell did Sanader need a limo that cost 1.7M Euros? Instead of speding that shit on national interests? (Such as fixing the Judicial System, where in a nation of 4.6 Million people, 1.3 Million court cases are yet to be resolved.) What a fucking tool.
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Post by MiG on Aug 11, 2009 0:11:08 GMT -5
Sorry, that doesn't look like the outside of the building for the public to see. Try a little harder. A room with Silajdzic and the Ljiljani? Where don't you see that. Please, like we don't know. What about the Parliamentary Assembly? What about any of the Government Institutions? Show me concrete proof from 2008/2009, or STFU.
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Post by MiG on Aug 10, 2009 23:39:10 GMT -5
Pictures may say a thousand words, but when you're left speechless, then its been sold. Thank you for the nice little collage of pictures. Most entertaining.
BTW, you STILL haven't shown me a picture of the Ljiljani in Official Government Buildings as the Main flag of BiH, nor have you shown me examples of the Ljiljani used as the Official Flag of Bosnia and Herzegovina in ANY international affairs BiH attends (Such as the United Nations General Assembly). Haha, you're so hopeless.
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Post by MiG on Aug 10, 2009 22:59:48 GMT -5
Oh but wait just a second. Armija Republike Bosne i Hercegovine doesn't exist anymore. It didn't since 2006. Not to mention that the ARBiH Flag isn't even a Political State flag, but rather was a Military and War Banner, and the flag is only an insignia representing the ARBiH, not BiH (Note the Crest you tool, before posting). Haha, you're so full of shit.
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Post by MiG on Aug 10, 2009 22:50:35 GMT -5
"Claiming Sofia is a massive stretch, but Plovdiv and Varna? Damn bro, why not just claim Sevastopol while you're at it." Thats just Ruse being silly!. MiG, the region of Samokov whose former name was Srpski Samokov was a serbian town, the regions of Sofia, Kyustendil, Radomir etc....all western Bulgarian towns, the inhabitants in the past used to make homeages to serbian monasteries in kosovo i metohija, even today the western Bulgarians celebrate Vidovdan or Vidovden. The western bulgarians were serbs!. Western Bulgarian towns. But I don't really understand how that's possible, especially with you not providing sources. I mean, hell, I can say that Vojvodina should be carved up between Croatia and Hungary. BTW, Samokov, which was founded 14th Century, was a Bulgarian Mining town, which later on developed. The people, at the time of Czar Dusan might have been forced or had to accept Serbian Customs and the Serbian Church, but they weren't Serbs, nor did they call themselves that. That's like me saying that 50% of the Serbs today are Bulgarian because the First Bulgarian Empire stretched to the Drina. I understand how you're trying to go about seeing this, but its simply not true. I don't see, in any kind of history books, essays, articles, or findings of any sort, that these people refer to themselves as Serbian and not Bulgarian. Your argument isn't fair whatsoever. It's like me advocating why Croatia should be on the Drina and why Srijem belongs to Croatia, simply because it used to belong to Croatia in the 8th, 9th, and 10th Centuries. I'd like to see you create a map of the Balkans showing me what you think belongs to Serbia (East, West, North, South, all borders). Mig, if you are reading this, let me explain you something so you can get the idea what talking to Novi is. Srbski Samokov this remarkable scientist mentioned, is a small totally insignificant village that no longer exists and its name came after a local boyar hired several Serbian workers to build something. This fact doesn't stop Mr. Pazar to claim a totally different place as a serbian one without paying the slightest attention to the numerous posts in which i tried to explain this small difference to him. I guess this is what Pyrro means that we are getting massively beaten Pyrro, did you have your rakia in cases or you tried to use normal glasses as most people do? LoL. Dude, don't let Pyrros get to you. ;D Pyrros is like the next door neighbor who borrows your lawnmower and is all friendly, and then shit talks you the very next day.
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Post by MiG on Aug 10, 2009 22:39:22 GMT -5
f**k da Slavs! Thats not what I heard. BTW, the Mazda is pure sex. Woot fucking sexy! Dude, the engine speaks to me. Getting a sound system soon too.
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Post by MiG on Aug 10, 2009 22:30:41 GMT -5
Nay, the islands aren't being sold. The only probable reason that the EU hasn't accepted Croatia is because of our debt. That's why they're letting Slovenia talk trash for now. The next government should tell the EU to fuck off and just stay neutral on everything (Like Switzerland).
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Post by MiG on Aug 10, 2009 22:27:00 GMT -5
That map is so funny when I look at it. Why does BiH have the Ljiljani, and why is Serbia missing Vojvodina (As Kosovo is an iffy question I won't ask or get into that). What a bias. If you wanted to be a little more politically correct, Tito, you could have maybe NOT made a map, but posted one of the region that is a little more representing. BiH will not have that flag, ever, if things go as they are. Right there your little pie graphs lose their credibility.
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