libofsha
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Post by libofsha on Jul 6, 2008 14:41:17 GMT -5
ridiculous, this is straight off the serb history books, you truly are a --edit--- for believing this, no wonder the serbs have become the laughing stock of the balkans,
who is the author by the way? did mladic perhaps take time out from slaughtering muslims to enlighten us with this eye-opening and riveting insight into the slavic origins?
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Post by srbobran on Jul 6, 2008 15:25:12 GMT -5
You retard, the sources are all cited and they are not Serbian. Read, you --edit---. Although I should have expected this, I mean look at the way you write English, its total crap. I suppose I shouldn't have expected you to be any better at reading.
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Post by radovic on Jul 6, 2008 16:36:49 GMT -5
To add to what Srbobran has: - In Napoleonic Europe the Illyrian Provinces was a short-lived state incorporating Dalmatia and half of the Militargenze (i.e. Military Frontier, also known as the Krajina). - In the times of Napoleon and before the term Illyria refered to South Slavs. - The Illyrian Movement was a pan-South Slavic Movement of the 19th century. - In Ragusa (modern day Dubrovnik) the official languages were Latin and Illyric (an old name for the language the Slavs of Dubrovnik spoke).
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Post by radovic on Jul 6, 2008 16:38:20 GMT -5
ridiculous, this is straight off the serb history books, you truly are a cretin for believing this, no wonder the serbs have become the laughing stock of the balkans, who is the author by the way? did mladic perhaps take time out from slaughtering muslims to enlighten us with this eye-opening and riveting insight into the slavic origins? He got it from several sources. All included historical references, so you could easily search it up. Also, notice how Catholic Encyclopedia: Illyria -> www.newadvent.org is mentioned several times.
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libofsha
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Post by libofsha on Jul 6, 2008 17:27:10 GMT -5
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I THINK YOU SHOULD TAKE YOUR OWN ADVISE AND WATCH YOUR MOUTH.
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Post by vinjak on Jul 6, 2008 17:44:27 GMT -5
Ljubisa i think you should take a breath before you go off like you did. Thanx
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Post by albaniansoul on Jul 6, 2008 20:09:06 GMT -5
Greek idiots, noone ís saying there wasnt greeks, however they came to albanian populated places, just like your took over athens step by step. And you were in small numbers. Which idiot said epirus was greek and greek populated along with that slavs have ruled over it sometimes? Are you feeling so small over being a slav that you must steal albanian history? We understand you...
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Post by terroreign on Jul 7, 2008 2:17:13 GMT -5
Hello people, his true birth name was Gjergj KASTRIOTI (Not kastriotis or kastriotovic)
Now, his mother WAS a Montenegrin slav, his father an Albanian, that is fact.
But he was an Albanian and that's that.
Btw libofsha - so if you named yourselves shiptari after Skanderbeg then what did all of those muslim albanians that were fighting against skanderbeg call themselves??? TURKS?? hehe
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libofsha
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Post by libofsha on Jul 7, 2008 2:35:51 GMT -5
they might as well have been, but there were collaborators everywhere, not just in alb
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Post by terroreign on Jul 7, 2008 2:38:11 GMT -5
^So considering the fact that before communism about 70% of albania was muslim, that makes 70% turks, 30 %shqiptars
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Post by libofsha on Jul 7, 2008 4:35:54 GMT -5
there is no correlation btw muslim religion and anti-albania, don't pretend you know alb history, those who were muslims did not refute alb roots, they were jsut as patriotic as anyone else, do not delude youself thinking you know about us
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Post by terroreign on Jul 7, 2008 4:47:14 GMT -5
^So that's why skanderbeg converted back to christianity to fight off the turks/muslim albos...
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Post by libofsha on Jul 7, 2008 5:40:07 GMT -5
learn when the mass islamisation(nominal) of albs occurred, during the time of the great Kastriot albanians were entirely christian(almost), after years of toil and fighting the albanian population was reduced to less than half of what it was, mass migration and widespread killing as a reprisal for putting up a resistance, depleted the population, the sultan was incenced that such a modest albanian army held up the march of the ottoman army accross the adriatic many times, he vowed that he would make the stubborn albanian kneel and would destroy their livelyhood, after the fall of kruja and subsequently thereafter people were disheartened although widespread conversion did not occour until the late 17 hundres and early 18 hundreds during the land reforms and there were many reasons why people converted
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Post by albaniansoul on Jul 7, 2008 11:46:22 GMT -5
TerrorMontewtfyournameis.
Scanderbeg was forced to be muslim when they kidnapped him. Do you really think the mountainapes would allow him to stay christian?
When he escaped he converted back. Albanians have never been religious, thats why people converted to Islam. It meant an easier life. Those that didnt convert didnt because well they're the ancestors of the spartans. Principles...
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Post by kapetan on Jul 7, 2008 14:28:59 GMT -5
WTF with all the Illyrian arguments, what is there to argue about? It's a fact various Illyrian tribes occupied the whole Ex-Yugoslavia area and modern day Albanian land.
Everyone from Croats to Albanians has claimed an Illyrian "movement" at some time. Albanian language is most likely the last descendant of the Illyrian languages, cuz the rest of us were Slavicized and they assimilated the Illryian population.
This is all fact, what is there to argue about?
This s**t's not even important today as far as moving forward goes and making progress.
As for Skanderbeg reverting to Catholicism, why the f**k not? It was an act of defiance.
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libofsha
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Post by libofsha on Jul 7, 2008 17:23:10 GMT -5
that's talking sense!
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Post by radovic on Jul 8, 2008 8:51:38 GMT -5
Hello people, his true birth name was Gjergj KASTRIOTI (Not kastriotis or kastriotovic) Now, his mother WAS a Montenegrin slav, his father an Albanian, that is fact. But he was an Albanian and that's that. Btw libofsha - so if you named yourselves shiptari after Skanderbeg then what did all of those muslim albanians that were fighting against skanderbeg call themselves??? TURKS?? hehe Yes his mother was Montenegrin. But his father was Greek not Albanians, the Kastrioti were a Greek family.
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Post by terroreign on Jul 8, 2008 15:08:50 GMT -5
I believe his father's name was Gjon, this name is not greek, and he came from the dibar region in which is located 0 greeks
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Post by terroreign on Jul 8, 2008 15:10:31 GMT -5
Oh and for the albos, if religion didnt matter to skanderbeg, then why did he change his religion...
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libofsha
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Post by libofsha on Jul 8, 2008 16:46:21 GMT -5
because it was his birth religion, because at the time everyone was a christian, a show of defiance, shedding the religion of the enemy and embracing the religion of his forefathers, because the vatican pledged support, because he married an albanian women of a noble family and marriage the consacration of the union took place in the church.....many many reasons
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