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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Dec 14, 2008 14:16:45 GMT -5
the only fuckup here is u... And i think all other members can agree with that....
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Post by bog on Dec 14, 2008 14:18:19 GMT -5
im not a big fan of mr Tito.. but he's not much worse then the avrege member here...... so I dont think he should be hated on so much... anyways... if the big D declares independance
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Post by bog on Dec 14, 2008 14:22:44 GMT -5
they can take our axes... they can rape our women take can take 49% of our land and have an entety in a state run by the OHR but they can never take our freedom for we are Peruns chosen people.. the only balkan slavs not to have been raped by turks.. if you look here, he is half blue half white, the bosnian flag is white and has a blue part his eyes are blue and white he is a true bosniac, the only south slavic people not to get raped by turks FREEDOM
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Dec 14, 2008 14:30:47 GMT -5
im not a big fan of mr Tito.. but he's not much worse then the avrege member here...... so I dont think he should be hated on so much... anyways... if the big D declares independance Vidi se da nisi bio ovde dugo... Tito pada u kategoriju Cikole i Highduka
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Post by kapetan on Dec 14, 2008 17:18:02 GMT -5
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Dec 14, 2008 20:13:42 GMT -5
Man you guys are stupid for openly discussing your war tactics.
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Post by theblackswans on Dec 14, 2008 20:46:24 GMT -5
the only f**kup here is u... And i think all other members can agree with that.... Even I agree Tito is bit tough to take. Could I tie him and skorkic together and throw the both of them down a well? He is our very own cetnik, or maybe like Borat's cousin Bilo?
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Post by theblackswans on Dec 14, 2008 20:47:35 GMT -5
im not a big fan of mr Tito.. but he's not much worse then the avrege member here...... so I dont think he should be hated on so much... anyways... if the big D declares independance It would be hilarious if that threat didn't just come from a Croat, I think I just peed myslef...
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Post by theblackswans on Dec 14, 2008 20:48:46 GMT -5
Man you guys are stupid for openly discussing your war tactics. What do you think Tito is secretly Atif Dudakovic?
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Post by karabin on Dec 15, 2008 0:25:27 GMT -5
LOL neke balije ovde se pravo dobro tjese misleci da njihova "vojska" moze zauzeti RS za 12 sati. To je sega matere mi. To bi bio pravo dobar materijal za nadrealiste. Onaj koji podcjenjuje svoga protivnika pretezno najebe. Zelim vam puno srece, a nemorate se nista sekirati za sastanak sa alahom, to ce mo mi srbi za cijenu jednog metka (odprilike $1) organizovati.
pozdrav Cedo
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Post by SKORIC on Dec 15, 2008 1:00:53 GMT -5
oh well, we will just have to break gotovina out of prison, so that he can lead us into battle once again.. ima jedan covik, tvrdi nego stina ime mu je anteee gotovina. Sto ce nam Gotovina kad imamo Atifa, Sefera i Zeljka
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Post by SKORIC on Dec 15, 2008 1:06:24 GMT -5
you shouldn't list wiki as your source, lots of the balkan army's are "paper-tigers" most of the things are not operational and have rusted away.. Serbia has gotten rid of all our old and rusty s**t. It's army is now smaller and more flexible. 750 old t-55's sold or scrapped aswell as reducing our number of troops and heaps of other s**t. Update yourself before making statements. Serbia's army is way more profesional now then from when you're thinking of. Fuk'n BANG! Anyways there wont be a war. And i doubt Serbia would go in if there was one.
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Post by karabin on Dec 15, 2008 2:16:40 GMT -5
Anyways there wont be a war. And i doubt Serbia would go in if there was one. nice pics!!! I think Ill make a thread with pictures purely dedicated to the modern serbian army. It will also act as an educational session for those thinking serbian armed forces are stuck in 1993. Having said that, Serbia would do what they did in the last war, whilst not officially engaged they would supply RS with weapons should the need arise.
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Post by tito on Dec 15, 2008 3:01:45 GMT -5
Having said that, Serbia would do what they did in the last war, whilst not officially engaged they would supply RS with weapons should the need arise. Which brings us back to this:
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Post by markosijekira on Dec 15, 2008 4:40:26 GMT -5
There I was trying to have a nice informed dialog with kapetan on war in Bosnia and you trun it into a pissing contest on who is going to win ;D ahhh i love you guys "Serbs are not really that heroic and I wouldn't expect too much of resistance because they don't like to die much for their causes. When going gets tough Serbs run. "That’s basing strategy on a assumption, the Serbs will run, because look what happened in 1995. You cant make war plans based on such assumptions, especially from a war that happened 15 years ago. The French analyzed wwI, and concluded to invest in static defenses anticipating another static war, in the end they got bumf**ked by a army smaller then theirs with less hardware. Element of surprise will not be there, I imagine the Serbs would be gearing for war, before they go through with some declaration of independence. You can't expect police units (especially present day Bosnian police which is trained as a western law enforcement agency, not a secondary front militia like in SFRJ) to take up battalion size offensive operations in hostile territory. Doesn’t work that way. anyhow... markosijekira... we all know what you would like BiH to be, your probably place tri baklje in our coat of arms... but...your an evil doer zlikovac...errrm whaaaaa? The Serbian military as of today in incapable of sustaining offensive operations, so is OSBiH who would only be able to advance a couple of tens of kilometers into the RS before things stopping. This is true, and it goes for all ex SFRJ armies, even Croatian army. First all present armies are way to small for offensive operations, in case of Serbia there is a substantial number of IVF's and MBT's but just enough to equip the current 4 Brigades. If losses are suffered they cannot be replaced easy. Also if reserves are called up and the army size is inflated you still have only enough hardware to equip the current 4 brigades leaving you with a large number of reservists with no transportation, no MBT's, no IFV's and little on artillery. Logistically also very difficult, it takes a lot of resource to move a mechanized force in offensive operations, especially in terrain like Bosnia. There has to be enough fuel and ammunition stored for sustained operations and the air force needs to be able to protect air space around the formation staging grounds. The Serbian Air force is the largest in ex Yu, but it is no shape or form ready for offensive war. Lack of spare parts, lack of pilots, and most of all lack of fuel. In short if war would happen theoretically, and both Croatia and Serbia get dragged into it, it would quickly degenerate in to a infantry slugfest. Lets not forget the wear and tear a sustaind operation would have on the hardware. Breakdowns would be common " Thirdly NATO does not have intrests of a new war, the local political elite does not have intrests in a new war..Pretty Much 10 000 is peace time army. Right after the war vojska federacije numbered 60 thousand and at the end of war Bosnian Army numbered over 200 000 soldiers. Its not like weapons to arm that many people are missing. It's just that in peace time you don't need that many people in the army because its waste of money. Just drafting 100,000, 200,000 people does not give you an army. That’s just an angry mob with guns. Even if you have standardized equipment for that many men in storage, you still have many more problems. First even though many of these men will be veterans, they will need to be retrained, and go through basic again, meaning simple s**t like field stripping a weapon, basic infantry tactics etc. The US army trains its forces on a regular basis, so when you have men who have not picked up a gun since the 90s there will be a lot of issues to address. Uniforms, ammunition, food and enough communication devices for every formation down to platoon level have to be provided. If you want to fight a modern war and not the infantry slug fest of the 90s all these things will have to be addressed, and that would be very very expensive, and time consuming. And you still have a problem of shortage on MBT's, IFV's, APC's and artillery. There would not be enough to even equip a fraction of an enlarged army. How many troops you can raise for a fight does not matter today if you can’t equip them and train them and have the resources to sustain them as a proper army. Serbia can theoretically mobilize more then a Million men for war if you exclude the unfit for service, but that number is irrelevant when you don’t have the infrastructure to equip and train that many man and have the means to maintain them in sustained conflict.
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Post by SKORIC on Dec 15, 2008 7:07:50 GMT -5
Anyways there wont be a war. And i doubt Serbia would go in if there was one. nice pics!!! I think Ill make a thread with pictures purely dedicated to the modern serbian army. It will also act as an educational session for those thinking serbian armed forces are stuck in 1993. Having said that, Serbia would do what they did in the last war, whilst not officially engaged they would supply RS with weapons should the need arise. Make one, ill help ;D
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Post by bog on Dec 15, 2008 9:39:53 GMT -5
smaller and more flexible, *cought*... other words for so small it has no meaning. The Serbian army was better in 93 then it is today, and had a rather decent PVO system, today, now it is a paper-force more then ever. Wonder how much of the gear is operational, of IFV , MBT's and so on... Posting pics of Serbs with M4's does not make it a good army... baklje, torches, flame things, I said, if it was up to you the BiH grb would have tri baklje, the same way an other grb had 6 of them, small flames... lol well, you just said all there is to say... anyways, I'm not sure as of the numbers of IFV and MTBS and choppers of the OSBiH, but my guess is, they are also in a "paper tiger" state, much like the Serbian army, and that things would break down fast, and that it would end in a ww1 infantry sloughter house with no hope or meaning for any of the sides... My guess is, small gains for one of the sides in the war, and after that degeneration into ww1 style scenoario... But no-one has any intrests in a new war, the politicans keep up the ethnic tentions for their re elections, but I doubt they need a new war... one that neither side can win...
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Post by SKORIC on Dec 15, 2008 9:47:39 GMT -5
Im not trying to prove that we can invade Bosnia. Im proving that what you said about Serbia having a large army that isnt operational is incorrect. Stop being ignorent.
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Post by bog on Dec 15, 2008 9:52:58 GMT -5
no, serbia has a small army, way to small for its size.. and most of its gear probably isn't operational....
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Post by SKORIC on Dec 15, 2008 9:58:55 GMT -5
Key word there is probably. Meaning you dont know anything. Serbia doesnt need a bigger army compared to its population. Compare it to the other balkan armies and their populations. There is no need for one, its only for defence.
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