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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Dec 15, 2008 10:01:15 GMT -5
no, serbia has a small army, way to small for its size.. and most of its gear probably isn't operational.... I dont know where u get all ur facts from, but u havent got a clue lol
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Post by manijak on Dec 15, 2008 10:10:42 GMT -5
come on, generally, the serbs have a lot of small things, including the army.
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Post by tito on Dec 15, 2008 10:15:15 GMT -5
Serbia doesnt need a bigger army compared to its population. Compare it to the other balkan armies and their populations. There is no need for one, its only for defence. How do you expect 40 000 soldiers to defend Serbia from Nato? You are surrounded by Nato. Serbia would need Titos JNA to be able to put up a somewhat effective resistance against an invasion. Face it: Serbias current “army” only exists to prevent uprisings in Vojvodina, Sandzak and Presheva.
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Post by SKORIC on Dec 15, 2008 10:32:33 GMT -5
Which small country in the world can defend itself from nato? Why do you have to compare Serbia to nato to make a point lol.
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Post by manijak on Dec 15, 2008 10:39:09 GMT -5
well clearly if RS separated the West and europe has interests there and they would want the war to stop before it ever got going
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Post by tito on Dec 15, 2008 10:43:32 GMT -5
Which small country in the world can defend itself from nato? Why do you have to compare Serbia to nato to make a point lol. You are the one claiming that the Serbian “army” is supposed to defend Serbia from invasion. well clearly if RS separated the West and europe has interests there and they would want the war to stop before it ever got going Now that just stupid.
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Post by manijak on Dec 15, 2008 10:46:28 GMT -5
then why WOULD you compare the serb army to nato?
you are such a moron, tito.
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Post by tito on Dec 15, 2008 10:50:51 GMT -5
then why WOULD you compare the serb army to nato? To prove that Serbias army is not there to defend Serbia from invasion.
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Post by SKORIC on Dec 15, 2008 11:07:30 GMT -5
I said its for defence. Like every army in the world is. Assclown.
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Post by bog on Dec 15, 2008 11:10:14 GMT -5
Key word there is probably. Meaning you dont know anything. Serbia doesnt need a bigger army compared to its population. Compare it to the other balkan armies and their populations. There is no need for one, its only for defence. nah, i havnt seen any of the things personally, nor inspected any of the brigades. But if anything written about it is true i stand by my word.. and all other balkan army's are also s**t, just smaller... I havn't been able to find info on the gazela choppers.. but the Mi-8 are mostly grounded atm I think... hmm's.. sijekira ought to have links...... il pm him
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Post by theblackswans on Dec 15, 2008 11:11:06 GMT -5
There I was trying to have a nice informed dialog with kapetan on war in Bosnia and you trun it into a pissing contest on who is going to win ;D ahhh i love you guys "Serbs are not really that heroic and I wouldn't expect too much of resistance because they don't like to die much for their causes. When going gets tough Serbs run. "That’s basing strategy on a assumption, the Serbs will run, because look what happened in 1995. You cant make war plans based on such assumptions, especially from a war that happened 15 years ago. The French analyzed wwI, and concluded to invest in static defenses anticipating another static war, in the end they got bumf**ked by a army smaller then theirs with less hardware. Element of surprise will not be there, I imagine the Serbs would be gearing for war, before they go through with some declaration of independence. You can't expect police units (especially present day Bosnian police which is trained as a western law enforcement agency, not a secondary front militia like in SFRJ) to take up battalion size offensive operations in hostile territory. Doesn’t work that way. anyhow... markosijekira... we all know what you would like BiH to be, your probably place tri baklje in our coat of arms... but...your an evil doer zlikovac...errrm whaaaaa? The Serbian military as of today in incapable of sustaining offensive operations, so is OSBiH who would only be able to advance a couple of tens of kilometers into the RS before things stopping. This is true, and it goes for all ex SFRJ armies, even Croatian army. First all present armies are way to small for offensive operations, in case of Serbia there is a substantial number of IVF's and MBT's but just enough to equip the current 4 Brigades. If losses are suffered they cannot be replaced easy. Also if reserves are called up and the army size is inflated you still have only enough hardware to equip the current 4 brigades leaving you with a large number of reservists with no transportation, no MBT's, no IFV's and little on artillery. Logistically also very difficult, it takes a lot of resource to move a mechanized force in offensive operations, especially in terrain like Bosnia. There has to be enough fuel and ammunition stored for sustained operations and the air force needs to be able to protect air space around the formation staging grounds. The Serbian Air force is the largest in ex Yu, but it is no shape or form ready for offensive war. Lack of spare parts, lack of pilots, and most of all lack of fuel. In short if war would happen theoretically, and both Croatia and Serbia get dragged into it, it would quickly degenerate in to a infantry slugfest. Lets not forget the wear and tear a sustaind operation would have on the hardware. Breakdowns would be common " Thirdly NATO does not have intrests of a new war, the local political elite does not have intrests in a new war..Pretty Much 10 000 is peace time army. Right after the war vojska federacije numbered 60 thousand and at the end of war Bosnian Army numbered over 200 000 soldiers. Its not like weapons to arm that many people are missing. It's just that in peace time you don't need that many people in the army because its waste of money. Just drafting 100,000, 200,000 people does not give you an army. That’s just an angry mob with guns. Even if you have standardized equipment for that many men in storage, you still have many more problems. First even though many of these men will be veterans, they will need to be retrained, and go through basic again, meaning simple s**t like field stripping a weapon, basic infantry tactics etc. The US army trains its forces on a regular basis, so when you have men who have not picked up a gun since the 90s there will be a lot of issues to address. Uniforms, ammunition, food and enough communication devices for every formation down to platoon level have to be provided. If you want to fight a modern war and not the infantry slug fest of the 90s all these things will have to be addressed, and that would be very very expensive, and time consuming. And you still have a problem of shortage on MBT's, IFV's, APC's and artillery. There would not be enough to even equip a fraction of an enlarged army. How many troops you can raise for a fight does not matter today if you can’t equip them and train them and have the resources to sustain them as a proper army. Serbia can theoretically mobilize more then a Million men for war if you exclude the unfit for service, but that number is irrelevant when you don’t have the infrastructure to equip and train that many man and have the means to maintain them in sustained conflict. All good points, you have to remember though that the VRS/JNA and paramilitaries had every break going there way. Heavy weapons pre-positioned around Bosnian cities, they disarmed the TO, large officer corps, logistics, men and material supplied from Serbian JNA stocks, were experianced from the war in Croatia and were fighting basically a poorly armed TO and fragmented police force in 1992. They would have none of these advantages today. Also most people in the world in power recognize the mistake of an arms embargo against the ABiH. There is a lot of support for correcting this mistake. Also Hillary Clinton doesn't want her husband's legacy tarnished by a partition of Bosnia. Also Joe Biden is a big backer of BiH...
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Post by theblackswans on Dec 15, 2008 11:13:08 GMT -5
no, serbia has a small army, way to small for its size.. and most of its gear probably isn't operational.... A lot of that "surplus" equipment was sold off and the money pocketed by Serbian officials. It wasn't reinvested back into the armed forces.
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Post by theblackswans on Dec 15, 2008 11:15:12 GMT -5
Which small country in the world can defend itself from nato? Why do you have to compare Serbia to nato to make a point lol. Besides Nato has no stomach for a conflict with Serbia, they have there hands full in Afghanistan.
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Post by bog on Dec 15, 2008 11:21:41 GMT -5
no, serbia has a small army, way to small for its size.. and most of its gear probably isn't operational.... A lot of that "surplus" equipment was sold off and the money pocketed by Serbian officials. It wasn't reinvested back into the armed forces. so was most of the gear of the Bosnian army.... oh well. if there is an other war, we will do a genocide rwanda style against each other... with swords....it will be so much fun....
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