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Post by bog on Nov 14, 2008 12:00:36 GMT -5
ovaj dogovor nema veze sa bilo cime, jedino ove stranke dijele medusobno imovinu, thats it....
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Post by tito on Nov 14, 2008 12:05:17 GMT -5
it would simply be a place where there is a greater Serb majority No one is forcing the serb majority out of what is today RS, but to ever accept the entity border as permanent is to award the the aggression and genocide. And even with all those cosmetic changes that you are suggesting it would still not change one of the main problems with the existence of RS: entity voting in the national parliament of BiH.
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Post by bog on Nov 14, 2008 12:06:18 GMT -5
might you tell us then mr tito, how do you plan to make the RS go away?
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Post by tito on Nov 14, 2008 12:06:45 GMT -5
There are a lot of subjects, including religion, education, that are at the core of identity. Serbs, and all sides, need to protect their religion, education, etc It is the most important issue today IMO. Again: Have you forgotten that both entities belong to all citizens of BiH and all 3 constitutional people and all 4 religions.
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Post by manijak on Nov 14, 2008 12:07:04 GMT -5
Ummm how could you say that they can control education for example and then not be able to pass something on that bill in the assembly? That is the whole point.
What we don't want is a blockade at the national level, and insuring that they can control their own education policy is one way.
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Post by bog on Nov 14, 2008 12:10:15 GMT -5
my 3 cents... non-nationalists winning the elections in both RS anf FBiH, and making join projects... but not changing anything, as regarding the laws and stuff as they are now, apart from making the state secular again, and a harder hand against organized crime..
after that, making poeples lifes better, after a while, they will inter travel/work, perhaps even inter marry, and first then does it make any sense to talk about getting rid of the enteties, talking about it now, makes no sense at all
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Post by manijak on Nov 14, 2008 12:13:24 GMT -5
Tito
What you don't understand is that there are very succesful, powerful nations, around the world, who have electorates with very different views on how the country should be . Take the United States for example. The Democrats have one vision, the Republicans a very different one. The differences are on everything, the role of the govt, the vision for the country, the way of life. One believes in a more socialist country, with more govt involvement, more centralization of govt, and freedom and unity through rights and opportunity. The other believes in a country where people make their own success, less govt, giving states more power than centralization, and simple rights.
This is not unique to BIH.
Uniting doesn't just mean centralizing everything and making it seem you are united. Uniting means how do you make things function? How do you make people happy? How can the economy work well? And so on.
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Post by tito on Nov 14, 2008 12:14:49 GMT -5
might you tell us then mr tito, how do you plan to make the RS go away? First of all by Not having an ethnic census which will make it even more difficult for people to return. It is in Bosnia’s national interest to work towards a civil society which will not care what ethnicity the citizens of BiH belong to. The key to resolving the cetnik problem in BiH is to free Bosnia from the entity voting. Today we have 2 pro-Bosnians from RS in the BiH parliament, we need another 3 to free Bosnia from the veto of RS. This means 60 000-80 000 pro-Bosnian voters from RS. Which we will get by returning the 120 000 registered refuges in Bosnia to their homes as soon as possible.
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Post by tito on Nov 14, 2008 12:23:23 GMT -5
Ummm how could you say that they can control education for example and then not be able to pass something on that bill in the assembly? By cooperating with the other 2 people in BiH. What we don't want is a blockade at the national level Then you must get rid of the House of Peoples of Bosnia and Herzegovina, good luck!
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Post by manijak on Nov 14, 2008 12:27:55 GMT -5
Ummm how could you say that they can control education for example and then not be able to pass something on that bill in the assembly? By cooperating with the other 2 people in BiH. What we don't want is a blockade at the national level Then you must get rid of the House of Peoples of Bosnia and Herzegovina, good luck! do you see the hypocricy? Your first answer on "how should serbs pass education without a majority", by cooperating. Then your second answer to getting rid of the blockade at the national level is to get rid of the other peoples views.
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Post by tito on Nov 14, 2008 12:34:42 GMT -5
do you see the hypocricy? Only in your posts since you are the one that is telling everyone that we should cooperate with cetniks but at the same time not expect the cetniks to cooperate with us. You where the one demanding that there should be no blockades on national level, which includes the house of peoples!
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Post by manijak on Nov 14, 2008 12:37:47 GMT -5
do you see the hypocricy? Only in your posts since you are the one that is telling everyone that we should cooperate with cetniks but at the same time not expect the cetniks to cooperate with us. You where the one demanding that there should be no blockades on national level, which includes the house of peoples! Where did I say that cetniks should not cooperate with us? Its these types of lies and mud slinging that are prevelant in Bosnian politics. I'd like you to find where I stated that.
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Post by tito on Nov 14, 2008 12:46:48 GMT -5
Only in your posts since you are the one that is telling everyone that we should cooperate with cetniks but at the same time not expect the cetniks to cooperate with us. You where the one demanding that there should be no blockades on national level, which includes the house of peoples! Where did I say that cetniks should not cooperate with us? That is what you are saying when you keep claiming that RS belongs to them, and that they need to be protected from everyone else. In fact you don’t see that what you suggest is what we have today and also the reason to why BiH is as problematic as it is.
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Post by manijak on Nov 14, 2008 12:50:01 GMT -5
Where did I say that cetniks should not cooperate with us? That is what you are saying when you keep claiming that RS belongs to them, and that they need to be protected from everyone else. In fact you don’t see that what you suggest is what we have today and also the reason to why BiH is as problematic as it is. I didn't say RS belongs to them. I said we need to keep the entities but we need to change the name. And we also need to allow all the displaced people back into their homes. I also said that we have to get rid of the blockade at the national level so we can get things done there. That means, ONE president, elected based on the majority.
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Post by tito on Nov 14, 2008 12:53:46 GMT -5
I didn't say RS belongs to them. "the two entities will be given greater power. This is to make sure that each entity can protect their culture, education, religion, etc"illyria.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=bosniahercegovina&action=display&thread=13417&page=1CCCC I also said that we have to get rid of the blockade at the national level so we can get things done there. That means, ONE president, elected based on the majority. It also means no entity voting and no house of peoples.
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Post by manijak on Nov 14, 2008 12:57:42 GMT -5
Yes, and that way Bosniaks get to protect theirs, and Croats as well.
How about my idea that nationally we elect one president based on the majority? Is that a Cetnik belief?
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Post by tito on Nov 14, 2008 13:01:04 GMT -5
How about my idea that nationally we elect one president based on the majority? Is that a Cetnik belief? That idea was accepted by all 3 sides(including cetniks) in 2006, give us something new.
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Post by manijak on Nov 14, 2008 13:02:07 GMT -5
How about my idea that nationally we elect one president based on the majority? Is that a Cetnik belief? That idea was accepted by all 3 sides(including cetniks) in 2006, give us something new. really? what was the deal exactly?
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Post by tito on Nov 14, 2008 13:03:52 GMT -5
That idea was accepted by all 3 sides(including cetniks) in 2006, give us something new. really? what was the deal exactly? 1 president, 2 ethnic vice presidents.
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Post by manijak on Nov 14, 2008 13:06:42 GMT -5
really? what was the deal exactly? 1 president, 2 ethnic vice presidents. I disagree with that. I mean have a normal national election and have a house based on the pop.'s choice. No ethnic quotas, or nothing, just a straight vote. No blockade of any type at that level.
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