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Post by divingfalcon on Sept 26, 2008 0:00:31 GMT -5
double post
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Post by divingfalcon on Sept 26, 2008 0:01:15 GMT -5
im talking about 8000 dead serb soldiers to kill and get rid/deport of Bosnian Muslims.
Not 8000 serb soldiers to do the job hahahaha that would be just silly. i should have been a bit more clear in my statement. However, when i say at a cost of 8000 soldiers... that means killed off or deport the Bosniak population at the cost of a few thousand soldiers. This is FACT what was the talk and ideas amongst local serbian cetniks and their sympethizers.
Also the guy who said it was not a cetnik, but he reported to my uncle what he heared at a serb gathering. Either way even your great leader said it. So my statement that serbs greatly underestimated Bosniaks and their desire to defend Bosnia stands TRUE!
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Post by fukara on Sept 26, 2008 5:08:55 GMT -5
LOL, these guys are still convinced that Serbs one day woke up and thought to themselves: "Oh jeez we are so bored s**tless today, what could we do for fun? Hmm then Cedo goes to say: Hey we could kill our muslim countrymen just for kicks because you know what boys, we are hardcore cetniks (all serbs) and bad to the bone" Stop victimizing yourselves. You are the ones who declared independence which was absurd to begin with. What was declared independent? Bosnia? With three major ethnic groups, three leaders, three ideas/goals...etc When I hear Bosnia declaring independence straight away I think to myself... WTF, a Republic that is subdivided is declaring independence? At no cost? Who will rule over these ethnic groups? Now we go back to Karadzic's famous speech and quite often it is misinterpreted and misused for political reasons. Here is the speech quoted form wikipedia: You want to take Bosnia and Herzegovina down the same highway to hell and suffering that Slovenia and Croatia are travelling. Do not think that you will not lead Bosnia and Herzegovina into hell, and do not think that you will not perhaps lead the Muslim people into annihilation, because the Muslims cannot defend themelves if there is war - How will you prevent everyone from being killed in Bosnia and Herzegovina?Notice that the last part has been mistranslated and that crucial parts of the speech are missing. This is propaganda at its best. Here is his original speech: Ovo nije dobro sto vi radite. Ovo je put na koji vi hocete da izvezete Bosnu I Hercegovinu ista ona autostrada pakla i stradanja kojem su prosle Slovenia i hrvatska. Nemoj te da mislit da necete odvest Bosnu i Hercegovinu u pakao a muslimanski narod mozda u nestanak. Kako ce te vi sprijeciti da svak svakoga ne ubija u Bosni i Hercegovini. Vi ovde hocete u evropi da ispostujete nesto nasta nemate pravo.In the last two centences he says: How will you prevent people from killing each other in bosnia & herzegovina. Here in Europe, you are trying to achieve something that you are not entitled to. These last two sentences are very important in his speech as he warns the Bosnian Muslim leaders about a move that is not achievable without the outbreak of a war. Unfortunately they are frequently either left out or mistranslated to make it seem nothing more but a statement of aggression towards the bosnian people rather than a warning. Bosnain muslims and their leadership are hardly innocent. They had planned this way before the war so the only people buying into this "oh lookie here poor us. We knew nothing. We were just standing here doing nothing and Serbs were bored and wanted to exterminate us" is they themselves. Now I am not against bosnian muslims. I do not blame them alone for the war. It takes two to tango. War could have been avoided yet to the politicians it seemed the best solution. Just before some of you start judging me, I have bosnian muslims in my family. My first and therefore closest cousins from my father's and mother's side are half bosnian muslims. The leadership and the people are not the same! People in Sarajevo protested against the nationalists in power, but Raso shot at them, these were not "muslims" but socialists and reformists holding red flags... We, all Bosniacs and Croats, wanted out of Yugoslavia as of 92. since in 91 the JNA had become a Serb army, and was fighting side by side with Cetniks in Vukovar, I am sure you understand, that had the JNA turned into a Croat-Muslim army, fighting side by side with Ustasas in Banja Luka, you would have wanted Serbia to get out of the union.. And the only reason Bosniacs wanted yugoslavia was with socialism... yugoslavia without socialism becomes greater serbia... okey! So, let me ask you this, would not it have been better if the socialists and reformists would ahve gotten SDA SDS HDZ out of power in 92, and that the TO BiH stopped all nationalists paramilitaries in BiH? The reason that Yugoslavia fell apart, was in the end, that the JNA sold out socialism, and became a nationalist army in 1991, also they, for some reason, I am guessing slobo ordered it, did not hold on to Slovenia, as the constitution would have wanted to.... I have no issues with a south slav state, but one where we are equal, there is some form of democratic socalism
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Post by fukara on Sept 26, 2008 5:11:09 GMT -5
Zaboravio si da su i Srbija i Republika Srpska bile pod embargom. Yeah, and you guys needed to get new weapons, since it is not like the old "JNA" did not turn into the VRS in 1991? Anyways, people like Silajdzic are not doing us any good, he is making the RS stronger, now the Serbs will say "dodik is saving us from the evil muslims" and he will get more votes, and since Bosniacs all think that someone cares about the Genocide that took place they will all vote for SBiH just since Siklajdzic made this stupid statments...Dodik and Silajdzic both are just mafia, they both stole what used to belong to the pre war RBiH, they sell of our companies.. Dodik wants to prostitute him self out to russia, Silajdzic to the west and saudies... they are both not doing us any good, SNSD and SBiH top members live like kings, and people are stupid engouh to vote for them since they bring up the war.. Are you a communist? Of course they will sell what belonged to the RBiH before the war because every thing now is pretty much worthless, Bosnia for years had more important things to worry about -- i.e. settling refugees, rebuilding infrastructure, feeding it's people and a sale of these assets would occur if therwe was no war anyways. Why should the state control these assets when the state absolutely sucks at running any eneterprise. LOL, selv governing companies worked, energoinvest? zrak? soko? where are they now! I am talking about how they sold out and of, all of Bosnia is now owned either by tycoons, or outsiders.... and they took the money from these sales for them selfs, the SDA HDZ SNSD SBiH SDP, they did not use it to build up Bosnia.....
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Post by fukara on Sept 26, 2008 5:22:00 GMT -5
Oh man I really dont know how many times this must be said. Understand once and for all this was not a war of total victory if it had been and in the early months you all would have been wiped out if that was the goal it was acheivable. It was never the Freakin goal it was hold as much territory to have the bargaining in your favour. Dont you ask yourself why there where many cease fires ? dont you think the Bosnian Serbs knew with every cease fire you could reorganize etc LOL cmon think a little. But I don't see an ounce of that from you guys for any of us. You are wrong there was and is tremendous respect for the fight you put up from people who where there and did the fighting the ones who did not fight but watched or where not born are the ones that will show no respect, quite simply it was not you that beat us but a 3rd party and that created and still has the effect of lingering what ifs. I understand that all the places the VRS took, Bosniacs were either killed or driven out, anyways, I doubt the RS leadership wanted to kill us all, just take most of the land and keep us in a Ghetto, try to turn in into Palestinians.. As for the what if´s... What if we did not have a weapons embargo on us? NATO only went in in 95..... they didnt want the war to stop its seems, they could have stopped it but didnt... Bosniacsw fought since they knew that they would get killed anyways, its the same reason the Croats put up such a good defence in central bosnia in 93´, they knew what would happen if they lost a town.
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Post by tito on Oct 7, 2008 20:43:31 GMT -5
23/09/2008 - Govor Dr Harisa Silajdzica u UN-u
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