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Post by kapetan on Sept 24, 2008 17:51:48 GMT -5
NEW YORK -- Haris Silajdžiæ has called on the UN to "correct the mistakes" made during the war in Bosnia
Silajdžiæ, the presiding member of the Bosnian presidency, also demanded that the UN send the message that "genocide cannot be rewarded".
While addressing the UN General Assembly on Tuesday, the Bosnian Muslim politician said that the Dayton peace agreement, that ended the Bosnian war, was never meant to “maintain ethnic apartheid in Bosnia-Herzegovina”.
"The implementation of the Dayton Accords did not cause this to happen, but the abuse of its principles. It would be a mistake to recognize this result as legal,” he told the leaders gathered for the annual UN GA session.
Silajdžiæ also quoted the International Red Cross Committee data which says that "200,000 people were killed during the Bosnian war, 12,000 of them children, while 50,000 women were raped, with 2.2 million people forced to leave their homes".
"That was true genocide,” he said.
Silajdžiæ added that the war culminated in July 1995 in Srebrenica. He referred to the International Court of Justice’s verdict which stated that Bosnian Serbs proceeded with a plan to execute as many Bosnian Muslims capable of serving in the military, and that "those were the acts of genocide committed by the members of the Republic of Srpska (RS) army in and around the town of Srebrenica from July 13, 1995, until the end of the war".
"The time has come," Silajdžiæ continued, "to correct the mistakes. Rewarding genocide could send a dangerous message to the world that would most certainly jeopardize the chances for permanent peace and stability in Bosnia and in the rest of the region.”
"Those who seek justice are not the enemies of peace. They are the keepers of peace,” he said.
One day ahead of Silajdžiæ's speech in New York, the Serb representative in the Bosnian presidency Nebojša Radmanoviæ sent a letter to the UN General Assembly.
In it, he stated that the address would be Silajdžiæ's personal opinion and not an official position of Bosnia-Herzegovina, adding that a three-member presidency did not reach a consensus on his appearance before the assembly.
After that, Silajdžiæ sent another letter refuting Radmanoviæ's claims, and saying that the Bosnian presidency "authorized him to represent the country" in a May session.
In Banja Luka, Serb officials have reacted angrily today, with Radmanoviæ and RS President Rajko Kuzmanoviæ requesting an emergency parliamentary session to discuss Silajdžiæ’s speech.
Apart from the address itself, which contained a series of grave accusations against the RS, one of the items on the agenda will be a recent declaration adopted by the Bosnian Muslim Party of Democratic Action (SDA, which calls for reinstatement of the constitution of Bosnia-Herzegovina.
The RS lawmakers are also set to debate the situation in the country in the wake of the latest develpoments.
RS Prime Minister Milorad Dodik voiced his supported for the Kuzmanoviæ-Radmanoviæ initiative, stating that Silajdžiæ’s speech before the UN General Assembly was “yet another attack on the RS and on the Dayton Accord”.
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Post by markosijekira on Sept 24, 2008 22:11:30 GMT -5
"Silajdžiæ also quoted the International Red Cross Committee data which says that "200,000 people were killed during the Bosnian war, 12,000 of them children, while 50,000 women were raped, with 2.2 million people forced to leave their homes". "
So even thou he knows that less then 100,000 people died in the war, he picks up some old estimate from the Red Cross, intentionally uses the inflated numbers to further his own agenda. Makes me wonder, maybe he really wanted twice as many people to have died, make it more dramatic, what a tool
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Post by kapetan on Sept 24, 2008 22:15:10 GMT -5
Seems like everyone in mainstream media and all political figures from the war use the 200,000 figure insted of 100,000.
althugh they say it will probly grow by another 10,000 due to ongoing research.
thats off topic though.
maybe he was talking about all the yugoslav wars together lolz
as far as "his own agenda", i beliv he just wants what HE THINKS is best for bosnia...and alot agree with him...that is getting rid of RS.
because lets face it it IS Karadzic's project and it DID succeed in that aspect, even if he himself failed.
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Post by radovic on Sept 24, 2008 22:16:50 GMT -5
^ Political ploy during the elections. Just causes more problems from Bosnia. Now one can expect in a years time to see the Serb side stating the exact opposite and Sijaldzic sending a ltter saying "____ speaks for himself."
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Post by markosijekira on Sept 24, 2008 22:21:55 GMT -5
"i beliv he just wants what HE THINKS is best for bosnia"
I hear you man, it’s just that he doesn’t exactly have anything to show for his caring for Bosnia. It seems like his entire job in government consists of blasting the RS but neglects the Federacija. That’s just what i gather from all the news I read, I don’t know that much about Bosnian politics.
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Post by kapetan on Sept 24, 2008 23:38:20 GMT -5
radovic...ANY WAY you look at it that problem is going to be dealt with and eventualy something will have to happen, its leading up to it, that much is OBVIOUS. silajdzic or no silajdzic.
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Post by zgembo on Sept 25, 2008 0:55:33 GMT -5
The guy keeps making a bigger fool of himself. What an embarrassment.
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Post by SKORIC on Sept 25, 2008 1:46:41 GMT -5
Seems like everyone in mainstream media and all political figures from the war use the 200,000 figure insted of 100,000. althugh they say it will probly grow by another 10,000 due to ongoing research. thats off topic though. maybe he was talking about all the yugoslav wars together lolz as far as "his own agenda", i beliv he just wants what HE THINKS is best for bosnia...and alot agree with him...that is getting rid of RS. because lets face it it IS Karadzic's project and it DID succeed in that aspect, even if he himself failed. lol he wasnt talking about all the yugoslav wars put together, even if he was, the number of deaths is still not 200,000. He knows exactly what he is saying, typical politician.
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Post by CiKoLa on Sept 25, 2008 1:51:52 GMT -5
^^ Skoro i have alerted the Croatian authorities both in Croatia and in Australia regarding your particular situation (family situation). Its now up to them whether they pursue/investigate. I did my duty. BOG i HRVATI.
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Post by SKORIC on Sept 25, 2008 2:03:34 GMT -5
kewl kewl, Dr Spartakus will be pleased with you ;D
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Post by divingfalcon on Sept 25, 2008 2:16:03 GMT -5
the number is just above 100,000. not below 100,000. like i said 84% of the civilians being Bosniak victims of genocide in the RS . still horrific for such a small country.
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Post by divingfalcon on Sept 25, 2008 2:16:57 GMT -5
good on silajdzic. RS is our equivelent of Israeli occupation for the Palestinian people.
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Post by markosijekira on Sept 25, 2008 2:58:42 GMT -5
"the number is just above 100,000. not below 100,000. like i said 84% of the civilians being Bosniak victims of genocide in the RS . still horrific for such a small country. "
I agree very horrific, so why does that toolbox feel the need to double that number (as if it wasn’t bad enough) when he speaks in front of the world, knowing full well that he is lying!
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Post by vinjak on Sept 25, 2008 3:42:48 GMT -5
good on silajdzic.
What do you mean good on him he is the laughing stock of the UN I am suprised he actulay was dumb enough to blab all that crap to leaders who know it was just that, total crap from a raving lunatic who looks like he needs about 4 weeks sleep.
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Post by divingfalcon on Sept 25, 2008 5:30:32 GMT -5
good on him for standing up for justice. we know very well that there is something very sickening if your leaders feel they need to liquidate all people of other ethnicities within your territory. In germany people are disgusted by nazis, while in the rs architects of genocide are hailed as something great. This is continued to this day, imagine if someone had slogans at a German soccer game praising Auschwitz, what the reaction would be?
Fact is bosniaks in the RS where they were a majority in many areas and town ...in their own backyward are treated like 2nd class citzens. As such the comparison with palestine is very clear.
He is making a plea and case for the right thing and that is a Bosnia just like any other normal country- Australia or any other, where people are not opressed and discriminated against on ethnic lines.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Sept 25, 2008 6:01:40 GMT -5
Silajdzic samo cacka mecku ko Alija onomad. Posle ce da ide da place kod velikog brata USA i kod manjeg brata Saudijske Arabije.
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Post by divingfalcon on Sept 25, 2008 7:05:54 GMT -5
Silajdzic samo cacka mecku ko Alija onomad. Posle ce da ide da place kod velikog brata USA i kod manjeg brata Saudijske Arabije. I have always said it and will continue to do so. Our big advantage is that the serbs seam to understimate us. Somthing they did in the last war- there was talks at the start of 1992 amongst cetnik leaders in srebrenica that Bosnia could be captured and bosniak muslims killed/deported to turkey at a cost of around 5,000-8,000 cetnik soldiers and so they began with the dissarmament of the local population in 1992- from small hunting rifles and pistols under the pretex of protecting bosnia from some "mujahedins", eventhough there wasnt a single arab in the area of eastern Bosnia throughout the war. It was obvious towards the end of the war that the VRS was is dissaray and that the ABiH could not be defeated. How the hell could it, when it was a war for freedom. We would have easily switched to guerilla warfare from hills and worn down the serbian army in a war of attrition. From 1993 it was obvious we could only get stronger, while the serbian cetnik aggressors army could only be weaker. If it was not for the arms embargo, you no Banja Luka bag packing would have occured much earlier. However, Bosnia after the war has equipped itself with a decent level of heavy artillery, Anti-tank weapons and tanks. If we had this much during the war- the war would have not ended in a stalemate. Besides after the war the people are not naive as before...there is heaps of weapons stashes of rifles, machine guns, anti-tank weapons- Milan, RPGs, Red Arrow..etc all across the country that even Nato doesnt know about...not to mention all the concreted and fortefied positions around key strategic locations in Tuzla,Kladanj and Sarajevo- that were made post-dayton. If the Bosnian Serb army was so pathetic not to be able to do anything in the previous war when it was armed to the teeth with tanks, artillery and ground attack aircraft; i dont see how you could achieve anything now. I mean the VRS had the most retarded tactics- artillery anything and send in tanks... which get burned such as in sarajevo. the key was lack of quality trained infanty, numbers and smart generals who don't use soviet tactics in a war against what was in essence an infatry army with very limited armour and fire power- so a guerilla army.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Sept 25, 2008 7:33:46 GMT -5
Silajdzic samo cacka mecku ko Alija onomad. Posle ce da ide da place kod velikog brata USA i kod manjeg brata Saudijske Arabije. I have always said it and will continue to do so. Our big advantage is that the serbs seam to understimate us. Somthing they did in the last war- there was talks at the start of 1992 amongst cetnik leaders in srebrenica that Bosnia could be captured and bosniak muslims killed/deported to turkey at a cost of around 5,000-8,000 cetnik soldiers and so they began with the dissarmament of the local population in 1992- from small hunting rifles and pistols under the pretex of protecting bosnia from some "mujahedins", eventhough there wasnt a single arab in the area of eastern Bosnia throughout the war. It was obvious towards the end of the war that the VRS was is dissaray and that the ABiH could not be defeated. How the hell could it, when it was a war for freedom. We would have easily switched to guerilla warfare from hills and worn down the serbian army in a war of attrition. From 1993 it was obvious we could only get stronger, while the serbian cetnik aggressors army could only be weaker. If it was not for the arms embargo, you no Banja Luka bag packing would have occured much earlier. However, Bosnia after the war has equipped itself with a decent level of heavy artillery, Anti-tank weapons and tanks. If we had this much during the war- the war would have not ended in a stalemate. Besides after the war the people are not naive as before...there is heaps of weapons stashes of rifles, machine guns, anti-tank weapons- Milan, RPGs, Red Arrow..etc all across the country that even Nato doesnt know about...not to mention all the concreted and fortefied positions around key strategic locations in Tuzla,Kladanj and Sarajevo- that were made post-dayton. If the Bosnian Serb army was so pathetic not to be able to do anything in the previous war when it was armed to the teeth with tanks, artillery and ground attack aircraft; i dont see how you could achieve anything now. I mean the VRS had the most retarded tactics- artillery anything and send in tanks... which get burned such as in sarajevo. the key was lack of quality trained infanty, numbers and smart generals who don't use soviet tactics in a war against what was in essence an infatry army with very limited armour and fire power- so a guerilla army. Zaboravio si da su i Srbija i Republika Srpska bile pod embargom. Sta bi bilo kad bi bilo.............. Da baba ima onu stvar bila bi deda.
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Post by fukara on Sept 25, 2008 7:43:42 GMT -5
Zaboravio si da su i Srbija i Republika Srpska bile pod embargom. Yeah, and you guys needed to get new weapons, since it is not like the old "JNA" did not turn into the VRS in 1991? Anyways, people like Silajdzic are not doing us any good, he is making the RS stronger, now the Serbs will say "dodik is saving us from the evil muslims" and he will get more votes, and since Bosniacs all think that someone cares about the Genocide that took place they will all vote for SBiH just since Siklajdzic made this stupid statments...Dodik and Silajdzic both are just mafia, they both stole what used to belong to the pre war RBiH, they sell of our companies.. Dodik wants to prostitute him self out to russia, Silajdzic to the west and saudies... they are both not doing us any good, SNSD and SBiH top members live like kings, and people are stupid engouh to vote for them since they bring up the war.. You can not "lobby" for getting rid of the RS, if the west wanted to get rid of the RS they would have done so in 95-2000 Only way the RS will be gotten rid of, is if you have both Serbs Bosniacs Croats, who all want to live better, and make a normal state, and stop caring about who is what...and put people like dodik and hare in jail... RS will never leave BiH, that is not possible, but at the same time a Bosniac dominated BiH, with "one vote per person" is also not possible....
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Post by radovic on Sept 25, 2008 10:09:31 GMT -5
the number is just above 100,000. not below 100,000. like i said 84% of the civilians being Bosniak victims of genocide in the RS . still horrific for such a small country. That's if you use the RDC figures, I'm pretty sure you know rDC is based in Sarajevo -- although they seem to be neutral in their work. anyways, the ICTY gives different figures. The ICTY lists just under 70% of civilians as being Bosniak (around 38,000 people). Furthermore, the fact that the international courts ruled only Srebrenica was an act of genocide means that only 8,000 victims can be claimed to be victims of genocide.
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