CiKoLa
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Post by CiKoLa on Aug 19, 2008 0:35:31 GMT -5
^^ tell that to the cetniks serbs
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Post by tiprat on Aug 19, 2008 0:59:31 GMT -5
Death to Jugoslavia
Long Live Croatia
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Post by MiG on Aug 19, 2008 1:17:13 GMT -5
^^ tell that to the cetniks serbs Oke dobro ajde. Sta cu ti ja kad neznas kako je bilo. Neznam kako da ti objasnim u rijecima, i neznam gdje bih poceo.
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Post by CiKoLa on Aug 19, 2008 8:04:17 GMT -5
^^ oh i know .. dont u worry. Human rights violations, political assassinations, religious persecution, oppression, terror, hunger ... paradise on earth, dont u say?!
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Post by MiG on Aug 19, 2008 11:35:05 GMT -5
^ Is that right? Can I please see the following. Provide some sources. (Don't include fascists since they were the main enemy in Yugoslavia). The Yugoslav government never assassinated anyone unless they really deserved it (Pavelic/Mihajlovic). There was a LOT of religious freedom, that can be compared to the west. Who did they oppress? If someone was oppressed, that was everyone equally. Hunger for who? Terror for who? Human rights violations, when? Tito's Yugoslavia was one of the most respected nations in the world.
Yes, it was near paradise. Too bad you never lived there to experience. You people have all this bad shit to say, when you have no idea how it was. I suggest you STFU, and ask some people that actually lived in Tito's Yugoslavia.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Aug 19, 2008 11:48:50 GMT -5
Someones got blinkers on ahahahahahaha....
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Post by zgembo on Aug 19, 2008 12:22:00 GMT -5
^^ oh i know .. dont u worry. Human rights violations, political assassinations, religious persecution, oppression, terror, hunger ... paradise on earth, dont u say?! The only thing that is obvious is that you (or your parents) didn't live in these times. The opinion of somebody who experienced things 1st hand (like Mig) is more valuable than that of somebody who can only rely on incredibly biased hearsay.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Aug 19, 2008 12:31:50 GMT -5
Cikola zna o Jugoslaviji koliko su mu njegovi roditelji pricali. A sudeci po njegovim postovima njegovi roditelji su izdanci NDH rezima, tako da me nista ne cudi.
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Post by tiprat on Aug 19, 2008 17:29:16 GMT -5
I never lived in titos jugoslavia
but the rest off my family has
tito .... i hope ....well im sure he is ROTING in hell!
Long Live HRVATSKA
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Post by Zvone on Aug 19, 2008 17:42:35 GMT -5
I know this is pick on Cikola thread, but that isn't completely true MiG. Mihajlovic was executed, and Pavelic died two years after getting shot. And it's tough to know which people UDBA assassinated due to coverups. Tito's Yugoslavia killed more than a 100,000 people; the soldiers gave up their arms and were subsequently killed. You might call it vangeance but killing civilians and surrendered soldiers is still a crime. It was a dictator led state and when people, mostly students, sought change like Brioni Plenum and MASPOK, they were "dealt" with. There is more to mention but I fail to see how it was close to utopia when it obvioulsy can only be called "ignorant bliss."
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Post by zgembo on Aug 19, 2008 20:01:48 GMT -5
It was far from an utopia. However it deserves praise when compared to the development in other Eastern Bloc countries or to the level of liberalism and cosmopolitanism in its successor countries today. Had it stayed intact or dissolved amicably, we would have made the most seamless transition to the European Union of any Eastern European country (both economically and socially).
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Post by CiKoLa on Aug 19, 2008 20:17:31 GMT -5
^ Is that right? Can I please see the following. Provide some sources. (Don't include fascists since they were the main enemy in Yugoslavia). The Yugoslav government never assassinated anyone unless they really deserved it (Pavelic/Mihajlovic). There was a LOT of religious freedom, that can be compared to the west. Who did they oppress? If someone was oppressed, that was everyone equally. Hunger for who? Terror for who? Human rights violations, when? Tito's Yugoslavia was one of the most respected nations in the world. Yes, it was near paradise. Too bad you never lived there to experience. You people have all this bad s**t to say, when you have no idea how it was. I suggest you STFU, and ask some people that actually lived in Tito's Yugoslavia. the communists were famous for pulling the wool over peoples eyes, i guess they got to you too. It was a hell hole for the majority of Croats, no wonder 94 percent of them voted to split from it in 1990. Long Live Independent Croatia. !
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Post by zgembo on Aug 19, 2008 20:48:44 GMT -5
I can't speak for Croatia or the Croats living there, but I do know that the independence referendum's in the early 90s are not a reflection of the satisfaction people had with Tito's Yugoslavia. I know that the vast majority of the Muslims in Bosnia loved Tito's Yugoslavia, but practically every single one of them voted to separate from Yugoslavia in 1992.
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Post by CiKoLa on Aug 19, 2008 22:16:03 GMT -5
It was far from an utopia. However it deserves praise when compared to the development in other Eastern Bloc countries or to the level of liberalism and cosmopolitanism in its successor countries today. Had it stayed intact or dissolved amicably, we would have made the most seamless transition to the European Union of any Eastern European country (both economically and socially). The republic of Croatia in its 17 years of independence has achieved much more than yugoslavia ever did in its lifetime. Today Croatia enjoys being a member of the prestigious UNSC, its democracy is recognized as the most advanced in the region, its citizens enjoy visa free travel throughout Europe and much of the world ... Croatia sits at the round table of the NATO alliance its independence and sovereignty guaranteed by the most advanced military alliance of the Western world. Croatia is also an official candidate of the EU, negotiating its entrance as we speak ... has opened 21 of 33 chapters and is expected to become a full pledged member within the next 2 years. Croatia today has one of most modern highway networks of any European nation ... it has constructed MORE highways in its 17 years of independece than yugoslavia in its 50. Now that alone deserves praise in itself. ^^ Now you can of course speak on the behalf of your nation ... but dont u dare speak on the behalf of the Republic of Croatia.
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Post by sweetnugs on Aug 19, 2008 22:29:01 GMT -5
I can't speak for Croatia or the Croats living there, but I do know that the independence referendum's in the early 90s are not a reflection of the satisfaction people had with Tito's Yugoslavia. I know that the vast majority of the Muslims in Bosnia loved Tito's Yugoslavia, but practically every single one of them voted t separate from Yugoslavia in 1992. It had something to do with everyone but Serbs thinking that all the money always went to Beograd and that Serbs tried to dominate everything.
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Post by sweetnugs on Aug 19, 2008 22:32:07 GMT -5
It was far from an utopia. However it deserves praise when compared to the development in other Eastern Bloc countries or to the level of liberalism and cosmopolitanism in its successor countries today. Had it stayed intact or dissolved amicably, we would have made the most seamless transition to the European Union of any Eastern European country (both economically and socially). The republic of Croatia in its 17 years of independence has achieved much more than yugoslavia ever did in its lifetime. Today Croatia enjoys being a member of the prestigious UNSC, its democracy is recognized as the most advanced in the region, its citizens enjoy visa free travel throughout Europe and much of the world ... Croatia sits at the round table of the NATO alliance its independence and sovereignty guaranteed by the most advanced military alliance of the Western world. Croatia is also an official candidate of the EU, negotiating its entrance as we speak ... has opened 21 of 33 chapters and is expected to become a full pledged member within the next 2 years. Croatia today has one of most modern highway networks of any European nation ... it has constructed MORE highways in its 17 years of independece than yugoslavia in its 50. Now that alone deserves praise in itself. ^^ Now you can of course speak on the behalf of your nation ... but dont u dare speak on the behalf of the Republic of Croatia. Have you lived in Croatia for more than 10 years of your life? I'm asking because you don't sound like a Croatian-croat, rather, you sound like a diaspora one. Most of you hardcore Croats who were born and raised in Aussie or elsewhere are different than the mainland Croats. You speak of Croatia like you're reading from a brochure that travelers get, its oddly fishy.
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Post by MiG on Aug 19, 2008 23:50:34 GMT -5
I know this is pick on Cikola thread, but that isn't completely true MiG. Mihajlovic was executed, and Pavelic died two years after getting shot. And it's tough to know which people UDBA assassinated due to coverups. Tito's Yugoslavia killed more than a 100,000 people; the soldiers gave up their arms and were subsequently killed. You might call it vangeance but killing civilians and surrendered soldiers is still a crime. It was a dictator led state and when people, mostly students, sought change like Brioni Plenum and MASPOK, they were "dealt" with. There is more to mention but I fail to see how it was close to utopia when it obvioulsy can only be called "ignorant bliss." Perfectly understood. Its very nice that Croatia has independence, and I'm proud of that fact, and proud of our history, but I hate when people shit talk about Yugoslavia that have no idea how it was. It's as if Tito himself murdered his parents. I don't get it. He has no connection to it, no knowledge about it, and yet talks shit. If it wasn't for nationalists, I wouldn't be living abroad right now, and I'd be back in my hometown, with the people I used to know once upon of time. I guess it just bothers me personally that our people resorted to war, and destroyed something they built together.
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Post by CiKoLa on Aug 20, 2008 0:52:20 GMT -5
such a lame ass excuse ... so go back u hero ... who's stoping u. Tko te drzi ... (wait for the excuses, 'oh my family is here now', 'my life is here now', etc etc) aaahh.
Funny you should ask ... in the lead up to the Olympics in Sarajevo there was a food shortage which the communist government tried to cover up. Amnesty international got involved, and released several reports on the issue. In the documentary film 'Freedom from Despair' by Brenda Brkusic there is archival footage obtained by HRT which documents the hunger and food shortages during the Olympics ... i have it ... ive seen it.
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Post by CiKoLa on Aug 20, 2008 0:53:36 GMT -5
You speak of Croatia like you're reading from a brochure that travelers get, its oddly fishy. Fishy is the correct word here. 1. Ms Cikola is just that a Ms that likes to instigate at every oportunity. 2. She wasnt born in Croatia nor has she been, all the Bulls**te she feeds into this forum is (a) Dinner table history (b) made up theorys (c) deliberate instigation Personaly to argue with her is really stupid ... half of the crap she claims is just provocation and she revels at others getting anoyed at her. now b***h argue at what I have said and I will reveal how I know. are u refuting my claims? which ones exactly. ? your just jealous of Croatia and her successes.
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Post by tiprat on Aug 20, 2008 0:54:45 GMT -5
MiG...
Thats pretty funny the only reason why i am living abroad is because my family left due to Titos communism
Croatia during Titos communism had the second highest immigration rate in the world (second to Ireland)
that fact shows plenty
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