CiKoLa
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Post by CiKoLa on Aug 20, 2008 0:56:30 GMT -5
because my family left due to Titos communism
I rest my case!
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Post by vinjak on Aug 20, 2008 1:09:16 GMT -5
You speak of Croatia like you're reading from a brochure that travelers get, its oddly fishy.
Fishy is the correct word here.
1. Ms Cikola is just that a Ms that likes to instigate at every oportunity.
2. She wasnt born in Croatia nor has she been, all the Bulls**te she feeds into this forum is (a) Dinner table history (b) made up theorys (c) deliberate instigation
Personaly to argue with her is really stupid ... half of the crap she claims is just provocation and she revels at others getting anoyed at her.
now b***h argue at what I have said and I will reveal how I know.
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Post by SKORIC on Aug 20, 2008 2:31:46 GMT -5
Unless any of you are 40+ you dont know really how it was in Tito's Yugoslavia. and even then you were just a kid. My deda couldnt even find work and had to move to Austria for work to send back money to my baba back in the 60's/70's. It was like that for alot of people (not all ofcourse). Im not saying Tito's Yugoslavia was a hell hole like Cikola says but it wasnt a Paradise like Mig and others say. He ruled yugo asif he would rule forever, and when he died (leaving Yugolslavia behind with massive foreign debt) and everything went to hell it made him look even better.
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Post by SKORIC on Aug 20, 2008 2:44:32 GMT -5
Tito's Last Years The late 1960s and early 1970s were marked by improved Yugoslav relations with other countries, regardless of their political orientation. In 1971 Tito and Soviet leader Leonid I. Brezhnev met in Belgrade and signed a declaration reaffirming Yugoslavia's political independence but calling for strengthening of ties between the two nations. That policy was reflected by subsequent friendly Soviet-Yugoslav visits; at the same time, Tito cultivated good relations with the European Common Market, the United States, and China. At the 1979 meeting of the non-aligned nations in Havana, Tito led the moderates in opposing the pro-Soviet stance of Cuban leader Fidel Castro. Domestically Tito's final years were much less successful. The economy suffered from inflation, unemployment, strikes, and, usually, a huge foreign trade deficit, despite devaluation of the dinar and commercial agreements with both East and West. Tension between Croats and Serbs, marked by riots, hijacking, and assassinations, provoked severe repression. Thousands of Croats and others accused of subversive nationalism, liberalism, or pro-Soviet leanings were purged from the party, fired, or imprisoned. Yugoslavia After Tito Tito died on May 4, 1980, after a long illness. With his death, one-person rule came to an end in Yugoslavia. In keeping with the constitution of 1974, the country instituted a system of collective leadership, with top government and party offices rotated annually. A series of austerity plans made little headway in reviving the economy, which staggered under the weight of foreign debt that exceeded US$15 billion; with inflation and unemployment rising, the standard of living declined steadily throughout the 1980s. The weakness of the economy and of government leadership stimulated the growth of ethnic conflict, as separatist movements in the individual republics and provinces threatened the viability of the nation.... au.encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761567145_4/Yugoslavia.html
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Post by bosanskinovi on Aug 20, 2008 2:48:52 GMT -5
LOL I love how everyone jumps a persons bones the moment they argue against Yugoslavia being paradise on earth. To some it was, to some it wasnt, geez...
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MiG
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Post by MiG on Aug 20, 2008 16:06:44 GMT -5
such a lame ass excuse ... so go back u hero ... who's stoping u. Tko te drzi ... (wait for the excuses, 'oh my family is here now', 'my life is here now', etc etc) aaahh. Funny you should ask ... in the lead up to the Olympics in Sarajevo there was a food shortage which the communist government tried to cover up. Amnesty international got involved, and released several reports on the issue. In the documentary film 'Freedom from Despair' by Brenda Brkusic there is archival footage obtained by HRT which documents the hunger and food shortages during the Olympics ... i have it ... ive seen it. Sources for this Hunger? BTW, the only reason I don't go back is because there is no future for me down there now. You and your little bitch ass nationalists ruined it for my family, so excuse me for being a little bitter at your idiotic rhetoric. You're the biggest fucking loser ever, You're no Croat. You probably don't even have a Croatian citizenship. So what are you trying to prove? You don't live in Croatia, so you're nothing than a common little Aussie. You weren't born in Croatia, so you have no claims to being a Croatian, other than your parents. See if we went by all fairness, you should shut your face, but then again nothing is perfect. That's why we have little shitgurns like you running their mouths on how it was, and how it should be. Dude you fucking bore me with your pride and nationalism. You have no idea whats good for our people, nor do you actually care. You're just some two bit kid who knows nothing but hearsay and hate spread by those that fed you the very propaganda that runs your mind.
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Post by theblackswans on Aug 20, 2008 16:46:46 GMT -5
such a lame ass excuse ... so go back u hero ... who's stoping u. Tko te drzi ... (wait for the excuses, 'oh my family is here now', 'my life is here now', etc etc) aaahh. Funny you should ask ... in the lead up to the Olympics in Sarajevo there was a food shortage which the communist government tried to cover up. Amnesty international got involved, and released several reports on the issue. In the documentary film 'Freedom from Despair' by Brenda Brkusic there is archival footage obtained by HRT which documents the hunger and food shortages during the Olympics ... i have it ... ive seen it. Sources for this Hunger? BTW, the only reason I don't go back is because there is no future for me down there now. You and your little b***h ass nationalists ruined it for my family, so excuse me for being a little bitter at your idiotic rhetoric. You're the biggest f**king loser ever, You're no Croat. You probably don't even have a Croatian citizenship. So what are you trying to prove? You don't live in Croatia, so you're nothing than a common little Aussie. You weren't born in Croatia, so you have no claims to being a Croatian, other than your parents. See if we went by all fairness, you should shut your face, but then again nothing is perfect. That's why we have little s**tgurns like you running their mouths on how it was, and how it should be. Dude you f**king bore me with your pride and nationalism. You have no idea whats good for our people, nor do you actually care. You're just some two bit kid who knows nothing but hearsay and hate spread by those that fed you the very propaganda that runs your mind. I would say that goes for about 80% of people on this forum. Expats do more harm for the country or people they pledge to love than most could ever imagine.
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CiKoLa
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Post by CiKoLa on Aug 20, 2008 19:53:32 GMT -5
such a lame ass excuse ... so go back u hero ... who's stoping u. Tko te drzi ... (wait for the excuses, 'oh my family is here now', 'my life is here now', etc etc) aaahh. Funny you should ask ... in the lead up to the Olympics in Sarajevo there was a food shortage which the communist government tried to cover up. Amnesty international got involved, and released several reports on the issue. In the documentary film 'Freedom from Despair' by Brenda Brkusic there is archival footage obtained by HRT which documents the hunger and food shortages during the Olympics ... i have it ... ive seen it. Sources for this Hunger? BTW, the only reason I don't go back is because there is no future for me down there now. You and your little b***h ass nationalists ruined it for my family, so excuse me for being a little bitter at your idiotic rhetoric. You're the biggest f**king loser ever, You're no Croat. You probably don't even have a Croatian citizenship. So what are you trying to prove? You don't live in Croatia, so you're nothing than a common little Aussie. You weren't born in Croatia, so you have no claims to being a Croatian, other than your parents. See if we went by all fairness, you should shut your face, but then again nothing is perfect. That's why we have little s**tgurns like you running their mouths on how it was, and how it should be. Dude you f**king bore me with your pride and nationalism. You have no idea whats good for our people, nor do you actually care. You're just some two bit kid who knows nothing but hearsay and hate spread by those that fed you the very propaganda that runs your mind. the only reason I don't go back is because there is no future for me down there nowwhat did i tell u ... excuses excuses. Typical. You and your little b***h ass nationalists ruined it for my familyThe only people that ruied it for u, u fool, were Milosevic and the cetnik serbs that invaded Croatia, BiH, Slovenia and Kosovo and committed some of the worst war crimes seen since WW2. You're no Croat.Says the yug. You don't live in Croatia. Look whos talking.
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MiG
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Post by MiG on Aug 20, 2008 20:26:27 GMT -5
Ma ja. Ko da ti znas sta je biti imigrant.
Jugoslavija je se raspala zbog nacijonalista sa svih strana. Ti nemas ni 'p' od pojma kakav je rat bio. Jesu Milosevic i Co. bili vise krivi neg svi drugi, ali su svi bili krivi zato sto su mogli se podjeliti bez rata.
Being of Yugoslav nationality makes you closer to a Croat than being of Aussie nationality. Even though I concider myself to be a Croat/Croatian, I still respect for what Yugoslavia brought to all the constituent peoples, which was respect throughout the world. But sure go on your "Yugoslavia an evil state" rant, I won't mind.
Talking the man who was born in SFRJ (Bosnia), lived in BiH and HR, lived throughout the war. Who are you to say who's talking. Huh, you Aussie born child?
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bihvojska
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Post by bihvojska on Aug 20, 2008 21:56:13 GMT -5
I agree with mig, on everything. I wasn't old enough to live through yugo but i have heard so many good things about yugo, i haven't had one person say oh yugo as this that, no one cause every one loved it, those who dint love it were just those fucking nationalist who ruined everything for everyone and cost peoples lives for a war which was not needed. You can ask any elderly men or women did they like yugo, no matter Bosnian or Croatian or even Serbian they will all say that yugo was the best there was. Since CiKoLa you have so many bad facts about yugo, here was a good facts, Was 3th strongest nation at its time, Had amazing soccer team, had people from every religion and race work together. Im glad that BIH is free and is its own country but id rather would have had it stay in yugo, yea i know that we chose to brake off but we did it cause everyone else was and we dint want to be under Serbian control.
im happy that you have a independent Croatia but it will never be great as yugo, no matter what your parents say to you, you are by the first Croatian i heard to complain about yugo, since the ruler was Croatian and im pretty sure he fought his ass off to make Croatia amazing and the other republics. Its people like you who are born in other country's and carry fake pride, thinking you are doing the best for Croatia when you are doing the worst. I'm guessing you dont even have Croatian citizen ship, probably have visited Croatia once or if not never...
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Post by ilirdardani on Aug 20, 2008 22:34:12 GMT -5
Yugoslavia would have been good if there weren't any nationalists.
Also talking about Yugoslavia and whether it was good for the people, I know Kosovo for example was the least invested region in the whole of Yugoslavia, so not everything was equal as some of you guys are making it out to be. Both my father and uncle moved to Croatia, then Slovenia, then for 2 years in Switzerland to find work to be able to support the families. And that was in the 70s.
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CiKoLa
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Post by CiKoLa on Aug 21, 2008 0:04:52 GMT -5
im happy that you have a independent Croatia but it will never be great as yugo, It already is. And besides who are you to talk? Are you a Croat? You dont represent Croatia or Croats in general. Its not my fault BiH wont ever be as great as Croatia. Being of Yugoslav nationalityTheres no such thing as yugoslav nationality. That concept failed. being of Aussie nationality.I wasnt aware that my parents were Australian. ?
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Post by MiG on Aug 21, 2008 0:15:25 GMT -5
^ There is a difference between Nationality and Ethnicity.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Aug 21, 2008 1:31:54 GMT -5
Also talking about Yugoslavia and whether it was good for the people, I know Kosovo for example was the least invested region in the whole of Yugoslavia, so not everything was equal as some of you guys are making it out to be. Najveci deo inostranog kredita/duga je otisao bas na Kosovo i Metohiju.
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Post by SKORIC on Aug 21, 2008 2:21:01 GMT -5
Tito's Last Years The late 1960s and early 1970s were marked by improved Yugoslav relations with other countries, regardless of their political orientation. In 1971 Tito and Soviet leader Leonid I. Brezhnev met in Belgrade and signed a declaration reaffirming Yugoslavia's political independence but calling for strengthening of ties between the two nations. That policy was reflected by subsequent friendly Soviet-Yugoslav visits; at the same time, Tito cultivated good relations with the European Common Market, the United States, and China. At the 1979 meeting of the non-aligned nations in Havana, Tito led the moderates in opposing the pro-Soviet stance of Cuban leader Fidel Castro. Domestically Tito's final years were much less successful. The economy suffered from inflation, unemployment, strikes, and, usually, a huge foreign trade deficit, despite devaluation of the dinar and commercial agreements with both East and West. Tension between Croats and Serbs, marked by riots, hijacking, and assassinations, provoked severe repression. Thousands of Croats and others accused of subversive nationalism, liberalism, or pro-Soviet leanings were purged from the party, fired, or imprisoned. Yugoslavia After Tito Tito died on May 4, 1980, after a long illness. With his death, one-person rule came to an end in Yugoslavia. In keeping with the constitution of 1974, the country instituted a system of collective leadership, with top government and party offices rotated annually. A series of austerity plans made little headway in reviving the economy, which staggered under the weight of foreign debt that exceeded US$15 billion; with inflation and unemployment rising, the standard of living declined steadily throughout the 1980s. The weakness of the economy and of government leadership stimulated the growth of ethnic conflict, as separatist movements in the individual republics and provinces threatened the viability of the nation.... au.encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761567145_4/Yugoslavia.html yalla habibi someone explain this to me if EVERYONE loved Yugoslavia. Its not like i HATE yugo but these are the facts... Yugoslavia was not good for everyone, it had good and bad qualities about it. It certainly was not a hell hole but neither was it a paradise. A good thing about it was it had respect throughout the world.. east, west and ofcourse being the leader of the non aligned nations. Bad things were "The economy suffered from inflation, unemployment, strikes, and, usually, a huge foreign trade deficit." Aswell as 15 billion US dollars in foregn debt by the end of Tito's rule.
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Zvone
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Post by Zvone on Aug 21, 2008 9:00:42 GMT -5
Well, it's Croatia and not Yugoslavia. So it's already great. Kuzis?
It was good in the 60s being led by Croats. But who cares about sports? I'd ready have a legitimate country representing a nationality than a pseudo-forced concept of a melting pot.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Aug 21, 2008 13:03:20 GMT -5
Koalicija "Urugvaj - policija" Jedna od svakako najbizarnijih situacija, dogodila se na prvom Svetskom prvenstvu, 1930. godine u Montevideu. Reprezentacija tadašnje Jugoslavije, bez igrača iz Hrvatske, stigla je do polufinala šampionata. Tamo je čekao domaćin Urugvaj, a sa njim i "domaćinski" uslovi za igru. Poveli su "plavi" golom Moše Marjanoviće, koji je grudima ubacio loptu u mrežu na pas Baneta Sekulića. Tada na scenu stupa brazilski sudija Rego, koji prvo poništava gol Milutina Ivkovića, a nedugo zatim priznaje gol Urugvajcima, kakav nikada do tada, a i nakon toga nije viđen na fudbalskim utakmicama. Naime, kako je tvrdio Milovan Jakšić, naš čuveni golman "El Grande Milovan", loptu koja je išla u aut, u igru je vratio lokalni policajac i dodao do levog krila Irartea, ovaj je prosledio ka Anselmu, a ovaj iza Jakšićevih leđa. Kada su svi na stadionu očekivali da naši izvedu nesuđeni aut, Brazilac je pokazao na centar. To je dotuklo jugoslovenske igrače, koji su do kraja utakmice primili šest golova i s obzirom da nije bila predviđena utakmica za bronzanu medalju, podelili treće mesto sa selekcijom Sjedinjenih Američkih Država.
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Zvone
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Post by Zvone on Aug 21, 2008 13:29:33 GMT -5
1930...Nisam znao da pricamo o kraljevini i SP sa 13 momcadi. Cak i ameri su uspjeli. Svaka cast, stvarno si mi pokazo.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Aug 21, 2008 13:49:42 GMT -5
Jugoslavija je Jugoslavija bila kraljevina ili narodna tj. socijalisticka. Hoces reci da je Kraljevina Jugoslavija za tebe bila bolja od SFRJ ili obrnuto? Ako ti nije tesko molim te izjasni se. A trece mesto je trece mesto. Treba imati u vidu da su tadasnji fudbaleri putovali brodom 2 meseca do Urugvaja i trenilari na brodu. Samo sam hteo da ti dokazem da je fudbal bio dobar i bez Hrvata.
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Zvone
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Post by Zvone on Aug 21, 2008 16:03:23 GMT -5
Jugoslavija nije Smrdoslavija tkz. prvi primjer. Nije to ista drzava ni po zemljopisu ni po politici, cak ni po imenu. Ali ako mislis da si upravu, ok.
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