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Post by SKORIC on Jan 29, 2009 22:21:34 GMT -5
My opinion is the same as Vinjaks
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Post by raynon on Jan 30, 2009 0:53:23 GMT -5
what Albanian Muslims are to Albanians. The same people, PERIOD!!!! Fix'd it for ya.  Try not to compare your mongrel genes to your Mountain Gods. Your kind self deracinated itself. No use trying to put your humpty dumpty together now that it's been shattered forever. |
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Post by Novus Dis on Jan 30, 2009 3:43:35 GMT -5
Try not to compare your [human] genes to [our subhuman genes]. Fixed. |
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Post by bob1389 on Jan 30, 2009 7:32:45 GMT -5
what Albanian Muslims are to Albanians. The same people, PERIOD!!!! Fix'd it for ya. Try not to compare your mongrel genes to your Mountain Gods. Your kind self deracinated itself. No use trying to put your humpty dumpty together now that it's been shattered forever. SUrely you can tell the difference between a Muslim Albanian and a Christian one? THE RELIGION FFS. Everything else is the same. These so-called Bosnian Muslims are Serbs who embraced Islam and THEN took on a seperate identity. Whereas Muslim Albanians still remained Albanians. Most Bosnia Muslims can find their roots from Belgrade and the Sumadija region of Serbia. After the Ottomans were defeated instead of sending these people back to Turkey with the Turks - the Serbian authorities were humble and pushed them west, what is today's Bosnia. It's simple really, but the climate of hate prevents the Bosnian Muslims from accepting historical doings. |
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Post by bosanskinovi on Jan 30, 2009 7:35:08 GMT -5
lolz
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Post by libofshe on Jan 30, 2009 7:49:33 GMT -5
well, as much as it pains me i have to side with serbs this time, i have bosnian friends and deep down they admit that bosnian and serbs are essentially a common race, both share a slavic gene pool....not too mention the physical similarities, linguistic and removing religion both are inseparable, there may have been some fornicating with turks and stuff but the core essence is the same and undifferentiated, let's tell like it really is people!
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Post by donnie on Jan 30, 2009 7:56:31 GMT -5
Or maybe Serbs are Orthodox Bosnians?
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Post by bob1389 on Jan 30, 2009 7:57:12 GMT -5
For the record, if I were Bosnian Muslim I would happily embrace Serbdom.
It's an easy choice comparing the two options. Being Serb has many more pros than cons (as far as being a Bosnian Muslim is concerned)
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Post by libofshe on Jan 30, 2009 8:00:24 GMT -5
why do you think being a christian orthodox is so rad and a privilege?
i don't feel special personnally, i don't mind it or anything, but i don not feel separated from others
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Post by bosanskinovi on Jan 30, 2009 8:01:04 GMT -5
Servus, noone ever denied that we are similar to Serbs. But then again, so are Croats (even more so then Bosniaks) so does that mean that Croats and Serbs are the same people? Are we all Serbs?
Yeah like Goran Hadzic
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Post by libofshe on Jan 30, 2009 8:03:19 GMT -5
croats are heavily mixed...but i would personnally categorise them as serb kin
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Post by SKORIC on Jan 30, 2009 11:50:42 GMT -5
lol did raynon just call albanians Mountain Gods?
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Post by Arthur Kane on Jan 30, 2009 13:00:55 GMT -5
Reality check. If you really want to find out what the people 'are,' simply look at genetic testing and DNA information. Anyone with a clue about the science of genetics knows that genes are not classified according to national or ethnic identities, especially modern ones. Genes have been around since the dawn of life, not national borders or ethnic groups.
An objective history of people in Bosnia would be a naturalistic one. It is no surprise that the people of Bosnia share a common genetic lineage with each other despite ethnic or religious labels. They also share similarities with peoples across borders in all directions. All that can be said objectively is that these people all share a relatively recent common ancestor, no ethnicity implied. In the naturalistic sense, calling someone a Bosniak , Serb , or Croat doesn't hold a lot of credibility and is irrelevant.
That being said, in terms of literal and cultural history ( inherently subjective), the Bosniaks are probably closest related to the Croats and probably were part of the same medieval corpus of people as them. Most history I have read about the region seems to indicate this. But again, in the true naturalistic and objective sense, ethnic groups are meaningless.
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Post by tito on Jan 30, 2009 13:20:35 GMT -5
The only reason why bosnianserbs still open topics like this one is because they know that Bosnia was never Serbia and that they are the ones who have confused religion with ethnic and national identity. Bosnians or Bosniaks of all 3 religions are mostly ethnic Illyrians, we do speak a south-slavic language, but ethnically we are Illyrians from Bosnia who happened to be divided because peasants have confused religion with ethnicity and nationality. And because local traitors seem to think that the interests of Serbia and Croatia are more important then those of mother Bosnia.
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Post by manijak on Jan 30, 2009 15:16:45 GMT -5
Here are the facts.
- Bosniaks, more than any other group, loved Yugoslavia, and were perfectly happy to be a part of it. That, for me, is proof that Bosniaks as a whole always looked at themselves very similarly to Serbs and Croats. We were never this group of people that tried to be different because we were muslim.
- If the break-up didn't happen as it did, I don't think Bosniaks would have an issue being part of Yugoslavia. But there was legit fear because Bosniaks saw what happened in Slovenia and Croatia. (ie Bosniaks would be controlled by beograd and the extremists there) It was a time of fear and uncertainty and people made decisions for their people.
- Today, the situation is not different for Bosniaks. Our ultimate goal is a MULTIETHNIC BIH, in a sense what Yugoslavia was. Only difference is, we don't want that control coming from Beograd. (which was why Yugoslavia broke up) We don't have an issue sharing land.
Bosniaks were never extremists and they never will be. We aren't extreme because 95% of us don't see ourself as that different from Serbs and Croats. We are a secular people. But if you guys think there is honestly some kind of plan for Bosniaks to have sole power, you are paranoid.
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Post by SKORIC on Jan 30, 2009 15:27:52 GMT -5
Boslims are the product of Ottoman poo.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jan 31, 2009 22:04:32 GMT -5
- Bosniaks, more than any other group, loved Yugoslavia, and were perfectly happy to be a part of it. That, for me, is proof that Bosniaks as a whole always looked at themselves very similarly to Serbs and Croats. We were never this group of people that tried to be different because we were muslim. So that’s why Muslims fought against Yugoslavia and started attacking Serb civilians before Serbs attacked Muslim civilians. - If the break-up didn't happen as it did, I don't think Bosniaks would have an issue being part of Yugoslavia. But there was legit fear because Bosniaks saw what happened in Slovenia and Croatia. (ie Bosniaks would be controlled by beograd and the extremists there) It was a time of fear and uncertainty and people made decisions for their people. So you in fact didn’t want to ever be apart of Yugoslavia because the capital of Yugoslavia has always been in Belgrade and those ruling Yugoslavia has never actually changed from 1980. Fact: The president of Yugoslavia in 1992 was a Croat and he was more fervent about keeping Yugoslavia together than any Serbian Socialist leader in Belgrade. Milosevic didn’t deny Slovenes, Croats or Muslims the right to secede, he just wanted Croats and Muslims to give the same right to the Serbs of RSK/RSB. If any people were the extremists during the war then it was those in Zagreb and Sarajevo who refused to extend the rights to Serbs which they so rabidly demanded for themselves. - Today, the situation is not different for Bosniaks. Our ultimate goal is a MULTIETHNIC BIH, in a sense what Yugoslavia was. Only difference is, we don't want that control coming from Beograd. (which was why Yugoslavia broke up) We don't have an issue sharing land. So that’s why Muslims have been trying to destroy RSB and subjugate the remnants of Herzog-Bosnia... and why they banned Santa Claws in Sarajevo. Bosniaks were never extremists and they never will be. We aren't extreme because 95% of us don't see ourself as that different from Serbs and Croats. We are a secular people. But if you guys think there is honestly some kind of plan for Bosniaks to have sole power, you are paranoid. |
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Post by mystery on Jan 31, 2009 23:10:33 GMT -5
Santa Claus not Santa Claws.... Fucking Serbs.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jan 31, 2009 23:47:37 GMT -5
I know him as Deda Mraz so you'll have to excuse me for not knowing how heretics spell his name.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 1, 2009 1:09:50 GMT -5
Manjak, that speech of yours, it was like it was written by some guy hired by the american embassy.
Note the violent disposition of Serbs from Sarajevo,
compare it with the thousands of muslims living (always) in beograd,
open your firefox,
edit your message,
globally change beograd/sarajevo
globally change serbs/bosnian slav muslims
and you are close to the truth.
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